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 Cerberus.Kvazz
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-06-18 04:34:04
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I don't understand why people want equal dmg on both types of weapons.
I really like it the way it is atm, where Scythe gets both hp and mp recovery weaponskills, so it works as a utility weapon, while GS is the top DD weapon type.
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By Phoenix.Esvedium 2012-06-18 10:00:23
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Cerberus.Detzu said: »
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If by "overpowered" you mean "the weaponskill that DRK has been sorely lacking forever" then yes.

Ok but why on GS? There's no great ws for war on axe, no great ws for mnk on staff. Not as if it was impossible to avoid weird modifiers on scythe ws.

Ruinator is terrible, right? 4hit, ftp transfer on all hits, str mod, attack boost. Sounds awful. It's no Ukko's, but to say there's no good axe ws is dumb.
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-06-18 11:01:16
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Ruinator itself is actually better than Resolution. Its doing lower damage because axe has lower base damage.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-06-18 12:05:27
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Pull out those Farsha 99s, guys.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2012-06-20 12:01:48
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Phoenix.Esvedium said: »
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
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If by "overpowered" you mean "the weaponskill that DRK has been sorely lacking forever" then yes.

Ok but why on GS? There's no great ws for war on axe, no great ws for mnk on staff. Not as if it was impossible to avoid weird modifiers on scythe ws.

Ruinator is terrible, right? 4hit, ftp transfer on all hits, str mod, attack boost. Sounds awful. It's no Ukko's, but to say there's no good axe ws is dumb.

I said "no great" not "no good".
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By Asura.Fondue 2012-06-20 13:43:53
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Cerberus.Kvazz said: »
I don't understand why people want equal dmg on both types of weapons.
I really like it the way it is atm, where Scythe gets both hp and mp recovery weaponskills, so it works as a utility weapon, while GS is the top DD weapon type.

agi and int modded wses at this point in the game for your "final" weaponskills on drk is pretty HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-06-20 15:31:54
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Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Phoenix.Esvedium said: »
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
If by "overpowered" you mean "the weaponskill that DRK has been sorely lacking forever" then yes.

Ok but why on GS? There's no great ws for war on axe, no great ws for mnk on staff. Not as if it was impossible to avoid weird modifiers on scythe ws.

Ruinator is terrible, right? 4hit, ftp transfer on all hits, str mod, attack boost. Sounds awful. It's no Ukko's, but to say there's no good axe ws is dumb.

I said "no great" not "no good".
Ruinator is one of the best weaponskills in the game. Blame the weapon, not the ws.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-06-20 15:44:20
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Ruinator is probably the single best weaponskill in the game.
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By Odin.Creaucent 2012-06-20 15:47:10
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Back on topic lol.



Thats the set im using atm apart from apoc but thats almost done i know this set 5 hits with wroth scythe would it 5 hit with apoc?
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By Asura.Fondue 2012-06-20 15:48:56
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http://www.ffxicalculator.com/
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By Armangetto 2012-06-22 12:08:20
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I'm curious to know if snow ring would be better than spiral ring, snice snow ring is +2 agi and +5 int and both are mods of Catastrophe.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-06-22 12:35:30
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Odin.Creaucent said: »
Back on topic lol. Thats the set im using atm apart from apoc but thats almost done i know this set 5 hits with wroth scythe would it 5 hit with apoc?

If you get a body with 6 store tp, hagneia, and tyrants or hoard ring, you can switch phorcys head and houyi for non stp pieces (bale head and ganeshas/rancor/bale neck). You can only get 6 stp on armada though so if you only have adaman, what you have is probably just fine.

Armangetto said: »
I'm curious to know if snow ring would be better than spiral ring, snice snow ring is +2 agi and +5 int and both are mods of Catastrophe.

5 AGI is better because in catastrophe agility affects teh damage while Int affects the hp absorb rate similar to mnd affecting silence on guillotine.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2012-06-22 12:39:36
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
Odin.Creaucent said: »
Back on topic lol. Thats the set im using atm apart from apoc but thats almost done i know this set 5 hits with wroth scythe would it 5 hit with apoc?

If you get a body with 6 store tp, hagneia, and tyrants or hoard ring, you can switch phorcys head and houyi for non stp pieces (bale head and ganeshas/rancor/bale neck). You can only get 6 stp on armada though so if you only have adaman, what you have is probably just fine.

Armangetto said: »
I'm curious to know if snow ring would be better than spiral ring, snice snow ring is +2 agi and +5 int and both are mods of Catastrophe.

5 AGI is better because in catastrophe agility affects teh damage while Int affects the hp absorb rate similar to mnd affecting silence on guillotine.

So there is my question : Why the hell did SE put a MND mod on Quietus lol?
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-06-22 12:44:57
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My statement was me trying to be funny :/ You used to hear the mnd/silence thing once in awhile back in the day like "4 leaf mandy bud gives TH".

4-leaf mandy buds do NOT give th.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2012-06-22 14:20:58
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Odin.Creaucent said: »
Back on topic lol.



Thats the set im using atm apart from apoc but thats almost done i know this set 5 hits with wroth scythe would it 5 hit with apoc?

If you have store TP on hauberk you overdo it, you need 30 store tp gears when you're /sam.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-06-22 15:17:28
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Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Odin.Creaucent said: »
Back on topic lol.



Thats the set im using atm apart from apoc but thats almost done i know this set 5 hits with wroth scythe would it 5 hit with apoc?

If you have store TP on hauberk you overdo it, you need 30 store tp gears when you're /sam.


How do you figure?

100-16.8 = 83.2/4 = 20.8/13.9 = 1.50 - 1.15 = 35stp in gear
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2012-06-22 16:16:50
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Cerberus.Taint said: »
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Odin.Creaucent said: »
Back on topic lol.



Thats the set im using atm apart from apoc but thats almost done i know this set 5 hits with wroth scythe would it 5 hit with apoc?

If you have store TP on hauberk you overdo it, you need 30 store tp gears when you're /sam.


How do you figure?

100-16.8 = 83.2/4 = 20.8/13.9 = 1.50 - 1.15 = 35stp in gear

Nvm i was thinking about starting from 0 TP.
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By darkslash 2012-06-26 07:48:06
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honestly i like to use my apoc as my main weapon. i do a lot on my own and catastrophe helps a bunch. and entropy helps get your mp back. i do use my drk as my main cause i have it set up for what ever i need.

that being said i agree that a drk with just 1 weapon is a little lacking in versatility

as for drk in abby, drk + nin has all the procs needed and that is what i use alot when i farm KI, also tho less damage you can still cleave prety easy on drk.
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By Asura.Fondue 2012-07-06 18:56:25
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Cerberus.Taint said: »

just today I've gotten pbody abj and I have a -1 which I'm not sure i want to keep

why would you spend 50m+tatters to wear valk body and phorcys hat over the same number of additional attacks from af3 head and a 3da/stp ebody?

well these are I guess regainless/atmaciteless sets but aftermath is very very infrequently down for me using 99apoc.. really dont use entropy hardly at all except with souleater and its damage is still pretty mediocre

I guess my question is really about the usefulness of valk breastplate on apoc drk, or is it mainly for rag users?
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-07-06 19:12:31
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Asura.Fondue said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »

just today I've gotten pbody abj and I have a -1 which I'm not sure i want to keep

why would you spend 50m+tatters to wear valk body and phorcys hat over the same number of additional attacks from af3 head and a 3da/stp ebody?

well these are I guess regainless/atmaciteless sets but aftermath is very very infrequently down for me using 99apoc.. really dont use entropy hardly at all except with souleater and its damage is still pretty mediocre

I guess my question is really about the usefulness of valk breastplate on apoc drk, or is it mainly for rag users?


I've had Valk body for years, so no cost to consider for me. I also got my Tatters for next to nothing since when augmented gear came out nobody else was buying Ptatters.

I'm rarely out of AM on DRK either.
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By Asura.Fondue 2012-07-06 19:20:16
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drk/sam aftermath

this is pretty much my staple set in vw with valiant/latitude

I'm trying to find any reasons to uncurse it or just sell, what is it good for? is it good with rag on drk or war? or is a 6stp 3da ebody better? also enif body does it fit in anywhere?

I'm pretty sure this is bare minimum stp wise, counting on 2 coersion/monarch regain tics or embrava regain
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-07-07 08:35:28
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Asura.Fondue said: »

drk/sam aftermath

this is pretty much my staple set in vw with valiant/latitude

I'm trying to find any reasons to uncurse it or just sell, what is it good for? is it good with rag on drk or war? or is a 6stp 3da ebody better? also enif body does it fit in anywhere?

I'm pretty sure this is bare minimum stp wise, counting on 2 coersion/monarch regain tics or embrava regain


Seems like you are making sets for lower end VW. This one comes out ahead assuming:

Valiant
Latitude
Coercion
Last Resort 1
Haste 1
March 1 1
March 2 1
Stalwart's 1



Apocalypse (99)
Pole Grip
Bomb Core
Bale +2
Ganesha's Mala
Brutal
Bale
Valk. Breastplate (acc+6 ta+3)
Phorcys
Rajas
Tyrant
Atheling
Windbuffet
Phorcys
Phorcys

For higher tier VW you'll want to use something close to my AM set.


If you wanted to keep your set:

Bombcore > Anger
Whirlwind/Avant+1 > Calmecac
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By Asura.Fondue 2012-07-08 00:33:20
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well >.> i uncursed it how vital is acc/zanshin aug on the pbody? this took 12 tatters I have 34 more
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-07-08 00:46:49
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Pretty important, could just use a Porthos byrnie if it wasn't
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By Asura.Fondue 2012-07-08 01:38:25
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better?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-07-08 01:43:01
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get the *** out

i mean grats
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