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Apoc 5 hit build
Ragnarok.Evihime
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By Ragnarok.Evihime 2012-12-07 12:25:20
As this I get 17.2 tp return, and considering the 35 stp I have on the base TP set i get 20.8 tp/hit, that brings me to 100,4 TP, I dont understand whats wrong, please fix me if Im saying something fishy cause Im confused lol.
I just have to fix the Am set
What I can do is keeping the aces leggings and do phorcys salade + bale hands and windbuffet or ogier hands with bale head windbuffet and phorcys feet.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-12-07 12:28:55
nvm, you edited about your AM set
Ragnarok.Evihime
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By Ragnarok.Evihime 2012-12-07 12:33:32
Yeah was gonna say it in another post then I edited, what u think I should do?
Ragnarok.Evihime
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By Ragnarok.Evihime 2012-12-07 12:49:33
Those are my 2 ideas:
or
Both ofc as Am
Cerberus.Taint
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-12-07 12:51:18
Scary people have Apoc and ask such basic questions.
Stop gimping yourself and get a rose strap.
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Ragnarok.Zeromega
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By Ragnarok.Zeromega 2012-12-07 12:58:55
Yeah was gonna say it in another post then I edited, what u think I should do?
base tp set: dont calculate this to include the cata ws in the 5 hits, this set is going to be (ignoring that youll probably have used meditate anyway) lower in need of stp:
6stp armaberk
3stp hagneia stone
1stp brutal earring
5stp rajas ring
4stp tyrant's ring
6stp phorcys dirs
5stp ace's leggings
total: 20.1tp/swing (assuming /sam)
that being said put on phasmida belt to recap haste, add acc etc
am tp set: (assuming 9stp since you plan to use hag stone - 17.2 tp from ws)
your current set keeps the 20.1 tp/swing, but doesnt cover the 2.8 tp missing due to ws so simplest fix is:
goading belt instead of windbuffet
maybe use phorcys mitts or avant +1 for hands
that will give you an exact (cant even have 1stp less) full time 5 hit if youre wsing in hag stone until rose strap
Ragnarok.Evihime
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By Ragnarok.Evihime 2012-12-07 13:01:15
Use ur brain it will take 2 months to get a Rose Strap, what I do meanwhile? I ws in TP gear? or I dont use DRK at all?
I just like to talk about sets here, and also, I stll dont have apoc, it will be closed in about 2 weeks at max.
If u dont want to answer u can just gtfo because I dont need any of ur childish jokes or ur "im fkin cool u all suck" way to speak, and I dont think any1 else needs it.
Because seems ur here in forums just to have fun of other ppl lol.
I know ur pbb one of the most informed player in forums I just dont like the superior acting people.
TY to Zero for the answer.
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By Ragnarok.Zeromega 2012-12-07 13:12:31
id like to add that after the embrava nerf, if you were to try and run something like nni you'd need to consider phorcys salade in the base tp set since youll probably be doing alot of fighting in that set
but by then maybe youll have rose strap, which will save alot of reworking
Ragnarok.Evihime
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By Ragnarok.Evihime 2012-12-07 13:14:08
Considering the 5 days cooldown and my medal will need 60 days to get one lol
Cerberus.Taint
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-12-07 13:15:07
Use ur brain it will take 2 months to get a Rose Strap, what I do meanwhile? I ws in TP gear? or I dont use DRK at all?
I just like to talk about sets here, and also, I stll dont have apoc, it will be closed in about 2 weeks at max.
If u dont want to answer u can just gtfo because I dont need any of ur childish jokes or ur "im fkin cool u all suck" way to speak, and I dont think any1 else needs it.
Because seems ur here in forums just to have fun of other ppl lol.
TY to Zero for the answer.
There are 15 pages of Apoc builds. (in this thread alone) I'm not the one asking the noob questions.
Ragnarok.Evihime
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By Ragnarok.Evihime 2012-12-07 13:16:10
I didnt find any answer to my question cause Im asking which one is better between the 2 sets I posted, I didnt want to flame u I just didint like ur superior acting way to talk.
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-12-07 13:23:44
Ragnarok.Zeromega said: »id like to add that after the embrava nerf, if you were to try and run something like nni you'd need to consider phorcys salade in the base tp set since youll probably be doing alot of fighting in that set
but by then maybe youll have rose strap, which will save alot of reworking Phorcys Salade isn't required for any non-acc related sets if you have a Rose Strap. I really don't understand your point in this post.
Ragnarok.Zeromega
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By Ragnarok.Zeromega 2012-12-07 13:30:49
Ragnarok.Zeromega said: »id like to add that after the embrava nerf, if you were to try and run something like nni you'd need to consider phorcys salade in the base tp set since youll probably be doing alot of fighting in that set
but by then maybe youll have rose strap, which will save alot of reworking Phorcys Salade isn't required for any non-acc related sets if you have a Rose Strap. I really don't understand your point in this post.
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-12-07 13:31:59
Ragnarok.Zeromega said: »Ragnarok.Zeromega said: »id like to add that after the embrava nerf, if you were to try and run something like nni you'd need to consider phorcys salade in the base tp set since youll probably be doing alot of fighting in that set
but by then maybe youll have rose strap, which will save alot of reworking Phorcys Salade isn't required for any non-acc related sets if you have a Rose Strap. I really don't understand your point in this post. And he already has the Salade in his set... so I still don't get your point.
Ragnarok.Zeromega
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By Ragnarok.Zeromega 2012-12-07 13:34:40
Who said I didnt finish wotg? Im talkin about campaign ranks.
Anyways what about these sets while I work on strap:
TP
AM
Cata
Entropy
Armada has 6stp 3da 4sb
Anything Enif Corazza goes in? And he already has the Salade in his set... so I still don't get your point. do you read at all?
edit: just incase,
theres also a post a few up on this page that suggests changes to these sets quoted, based on these suggested changes also includes the last thing you quoted, suggesting based on these changes it may be needed to add phorcys salade Post Nerf, to ensure 5 hit BEFORE rose strap
bottom line:
no rose strap + no regain = phorcys salade in base set if am wore
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-12-07 13:50:33
Edit: Since you still don't get it, he doesn't need phorcys in his non-AM tp set, embrava or not.
17.2 TP return on Cata, 20.8 TP on hits. 20.8*4+17.2 = 100.4
His aftermath set will require the Salade, though:
Ragnarok.Zeromega
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By Ragnarok.Zeromega 2012-12-07 13:52:50
corrections to the base tp set were suggestiong phasmida belt~ 20.1 tp/hit
replacing bale head or phasmida belt to get the extra needed 5stp are both options, im just bias to haste cap and acc
edit:
really, read the whole page.
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-12-07 13:59:05
lol.
I don't care about your suggestions, to be honest. And you're telling me to read the whole page when you can't even read the stuff I'm saying. Your comment about phorcys salade makes no sense.
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By Ragnarok.Zeromega 2012-12-07 14:00:26
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-12-07 14:05:43
13.9*1.5 = 20.8
20.8 * 4 + 17.2 = 100.4
Both of his TP sets have the same store TP in your quoted post.
Ragnarok.Zeromega
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By Ragnarok.Zeromega 2012-12-07 14:13:35
Ragnarok.Zeromega said: »Yeah was gonna say it in another post then I edited, what u think I should do?
base tp set: dont calculate this to include the cata ws in the 5 hits, this set is going to be (ignoring that youll probably have used meditate anyway) lower in need of stp:
6stp armaberk
3stp hagneia stone
1stp brutal earring
5stp rajas ring
4stp tyrant's ring
6stp phorcys dirs
5stp ace's leggings
total: 20.1tp/swing (assuming /sam)
that being said put on phasmida belt to recap haste, add acc etc
am tp set: (assuming 9stp since you plan to use hag stone - 17.2 tp from ws)
your current set keeps the 20.1 tp/swing, but doesnt cover the 2.8 tp missing due to ws so simplest fix is:
goading belt instead of windbuffet
maybe use phorcys mitts or avant +1 for hands
Note: this assumes you have and can use phorcys feet
that will give you an exact (cant even have 1stp less) full time 5 hit if youre wsing in hag stone until rose strap
all stated suggestions are geared towards shooting for higher end content (hence acc emphasis) and situations apoc would be used over a greatsword (idealy places where you take damage)
any build is only as good as the amount of hits you can land
*bolded: corrected based on an overlook of assumption
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-12-07 14:22:07
You keep changing your argument now.
Don't link me a calculator for something I can do in my head and then say "jk i meant for acc-focused sets."
Anyways for guy without rose, just swap head to phorcys and grip to pole/duplus in both sets and hagneia:
Neither requires hagneia for WS.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-12-07 14:34:19
Could have been working on Rose at the same time you worked on Apoc.
Shameful.
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Ragnarok.Zeromega
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By Ragnarok.Zeromega 2012-12-07 14:45:07
Ragnarok.Zeromega said: »id like to add that after the embrava nerf, if you were to try and run something like nni you'd need to consider phorcys salade in the base tp set since youll probably be doing alot of fighting in that set
but by then maybe youll have rose strap, which will save alot of reworking Phorcys Salade isn't required for any non-acc related sets if you have a Rose Strap. I really don't understand your point in this post. You keep changing your argument now.
Don't link me a calculator for something I can do in my head and then say "jk i meant for acc-focused sets."
Anyways for guy without rose, just swap head to phorcys and grip to pole/duplus in both sets:
Neither requires hagneia for WS. i lol'd
im done here
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-12-07 14:49:51
Don't see why that's funny, tbh.
Bismarck.Zagen
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By Bismarck.Zagen 2012-12-07 14:54:26
Don't see why that's funny, tbh. Maybe if you read it like this you'd see the humor:
If you don't have an item you could easily solo, then swap this other item to an item that requires the help of 4-5 good players.
At least that's how I read it and found myself laughing as well.
Bismarck.Kelhor
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2012-12-07 14:57:46
The OP already said he had Phorcys Salade.
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-12-07 14:57:56
Don't see why that's funny, tbh. Maybe if your line was worded like this you'd see the humor:
If you don't have an item you could easily solo, then swap this other item to an item that requires the help of 4-5 good players.
At least that's how I read it and found myself laughing as well. Since all the sets have the legs (ws has body, even,) it's safe to assume the guy can get/has the head too.
Cerberus.Detzu
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2012-12-07 15:50:22
Could have been working on Rose at the same time you worked on Apoc.
Shameful.
The "shameful" isn't needed but I agree with you.
Anybody have a good Apoc TP, Catastrophe, Aftermath 5 hit build that also calculates tp return from Entropys in between Catas?
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