Apoc 5 Hit Build

Using DPS calc.

Armadaberk 3da 6stp >> Valk 3ta > Enif

I currently use Valk with 3ta in my AM down set but according to DPS Armadaberk pulls ahead.

Enif will still be best for VW zergs (PW) and fodder mobs (NN and probably Ein)

I fail to see your logic there.

Harder zergs you'll be capped on haste,acc,att. So you'll want the fSTR,DA of Ebody or the fSTR,TA of Valk.

Fodder mobs you'll want your xhit (ebody) or hit rate (valk)

3%da = 6extra swings per 100
3%ta = 9extra swings per 100
2%qa = 8extra swings per 100

ymmm
3%DA 3 extra atatcks per 100
3%TA 6 extra attacks per 100
2%QA 6 extra attacks per 100

Valk will win because of fSTR yeah but cursed -1 doesnt exist on my server and even if it owould thats around 30-40M (counting tatters) for 3fSTR. This fSTR damage advantage will be partially reduced by souleater damage from +45HP.

For Fodder mobs you will most of the time have Embrava and you will get hits from mobs so perfect xhit will be irrelevant.

EDIT: I know its Apoc thread but I know Taint that you have Ragnarok. For Ragnarok zerg this body also allows to change feet for better option (because of 3% haste) like phorcys feet.

Whoops!

And yeah its solid body esp for DRKs wearing Porthos and the such.

I forget this is the Apoc thread too. Adaberk does come out ahead in that case, but almost everyone else needs the haste body.

Still can't believe you guys would suggest anything but RR/GH/RL for Abyssea. Catastrophe turns a DRK/MNK into something between a solo monster and an unkillable beast.

Apoc? TA is nice, but the rest you could try... not dying? Random instacast is just that: random.

GC? 4k WS woo... could have 78% counter rate for 1k+ each. If you want to E-peen use Echoes.

A&O? Another ***epeen atma. Better to take the small hit in TA and use Lion for the -PDT unless you're already capping. I know it's only 400-450hp, it still doesn't stand up.

If you must DRK in Abyssea, /MNK is just a better tank, better overall damage, better survivability... better everything hands down unless you're just playing the 'one shot a Bluffalo' game (which is still fun though).

While I aprove /mnk I definitelly doesnt aprove RL instead of 15%TA. Losing 10% counter wont change counter damage and survivability much and counters doesnt give you TP. Apoc helps a ton to spam Cata more frequently for heal and aftermath and it also heals for more since your avg damage is higher. DRK/MNK has pretty low avg hit per round, especially for solo when you need to use some PDT sometimes, so 15% TA is really a giant boost.

DRK\SAM 5hit with RR GH Apoc is what I do in abyssea, the few times I care to bring it out there (mostly because too lazy to change job)

Casual body with casual stats nothing else, maybe it is good for weapons skill up sections
On fondue post you can find the best tp set drk can aim for during VW , just put a stigoi ring over the mars's and use valiant/disciple/latitude.

Edit: forgot to mention Enif = the new Portos byrnie , casuals , casuals , casuals

While there is very very little reason to bring DRK to Abyssea in the small chance I did, I wouldn't be the only DD and if you don't have hate those counters are adding up to nothing. If I'm soloing/dual boxing MNK,NIN,WAR are far superior options in Abyssea for obvious reasons.

If you don't have hate, someone else is already doing your job better than you.

They removed the enmity cap? Neat.

Maybe if you paid attention, you'd know these things.

Oh Raelia.

Troll attempt?

And yet not a single valid response to the contrary.

That WAR, THF, NIN, or PLD that's poking the mob to recap hate faster than you can handle the mob just fine. You probably sat around for half the fight waiting for reads, so why bother?

Oh right, because you want DRK to be effective in Abyssea.

Don't be coy about this. If practically any other job is on the mob and keeping hate off of you in Abyssea, you aren't needed. They have more procs than you, they probably have better defenses than you (barring your /MNK), they hit practically as hard as you because of crithax, and they're probably playing a job that actually gets a decent Empyrean weapon that they want to be there in the first place.

Therefore: If you're DRK in Abyssea and not likely to be sitting around with your thumb up your ***, you're either in an exp alliance with gimps and will be tanking, or you're the only DD and will be tanking. Besides ironclads or particularly dickish mobs that dispel, nothing tears an NM down faster than a DRK/MNK. Put on a 1 damage Relic Scythe and you can hold a mob nigh indefinitely while getting reads and proc'ing.

This is almost literally the classic /NIN argument in reverse. I always pointed out that if you went DRK/NIN you'd never have hate to use those shadows anyway, and still people blathered such situations as 'well if you broke off to solo something' or 'if the tank goes down' or 'if you're lowmanning DRK is a good tank'. You didn't want hate because it didn't have any value and burned resources, but with /MNK and 78% counter rate it has the value of increasing your damage by a larger factor than anything else in the game and the resources to heal you are practically unlimited, while also presenting exactly those 'excuse' situations that people brought up for /NIN: lowman, solo, and DRK is a decent tank to begin with.

tl;dr If you don't have hate in Abyssea, your presence is not necessary in the slightest. If you wanna play DRK in Abyssea, you're gonna be the one with hate. Conclusion: Take the massive damage increase and tanking capacity of /MNK.

In before more petty undermining because somebody is too lazy to go quest Roaring Laughter to actually try it out.

....I think the counter-argument to this is you and the thief/nin/war/mnk/blu/etc will all be CE capped on nms and ***and since some of those other jobs are swinging faster than you the mob wont be attacking you to counter <.<


moving on

windbuffet/ganeshas neck for cata? or gorget/elebelt or something else?

Cata is a single hit, so gorget/ele belt over mala/windbuffet.

watdafuq did I just read

I don't remember DRK/MNK being a DD powerhouse in a group of DDs as much as it was just a lowman tank setup. >_>

I wasn't personally contradicting the merit of Roaring Laughter (I can't be assed to look into what it actually does, truth be told), I was merely remarking upon how clearly lacking your understanding of enmity is.

I'm not about to condone multi-DD conduct in Abyssea for efficiency's sake, but that is what was being discussed. In such instances, you're not always going to have things looking at you. Suggesting otherwise is pretty remarkably ignorant.

Yeah sure buddy, assume I don't understand enmity instead of knowing that we swing the slowest weapon in the game. Let's talk about who carries the ignorance ball when I know the mechanics just fine (some people know that obscure mechanics is my specialty) and already pointed out the real reason a DRK won't have hate over other DDs.

I'm sorry, did you miss it in your slavering rush to debase me? Here:

If you're going to resort to such a failure of ad hominem you could at least sneer at my idle gear or something else just as painting of your high-horsedness. It's apparent to me that your motivation is not to contribute to the thread, such as my suggestion of Lion over A&O, but instead to play the me-too game for +1s. Please continue to waste everyone's time.

If you wanna be a third wheel for shits and giggles, go ahead. DRK/MNK takes the Counterstance paradigm of MNK main and does it better because of higher accuracy and staggeringly higher damage on Counters while being only 2% under the Counter rate cap and still having 3k+ HP. I figure someone with Vereth would see the value here.

ITT: People bring eighteen people to Abyssea NMs.

Enmity is an obscure mechanic?

i have a cure mule and an ukonvasarva why would I drk/mnk to abyssea >_>

Fix'd for 100% this.


It can be. Pre-Abyssea explaining to the WHM why not to Auspice their whole party at random in the middle of a kite phase?

I went drk to abyssea to do my trials :D

That doesn't really make it obscure as much as a majority of people are idiots and can't understand even the simple mechanics. It's one of the more relatively easy mechanics to test and associate values with. Idk, maybe it's just me.