I'll happily take any DD job to Nyzul... it really is incredibly easy to DD there and furthermore your success is hugely based on the competence of the players rather than the jobs in question, so I would take a good BST anytime, yah.
As for the PLD issue, basically same thing as Vegetto above. As long as they're trying to DD, I don't really mind but I'm not going to objectively look for one when making my own.
PLD=No Thx?!?!
PLD=No thx?!?!
I saw the title and I flashed back to like 2004 when PLD never got PT cuz NIN was "the tank", sad days then.
As for Nyzul, Nyzul is about player communication and skill, as for bosses PLD w/ a Joyeuse and good TP gear will be putting out 720-750 Atonement, and they can get a Wing and Regain drink to really speed it up.
So imo, and perhaps many of yours, Cerberus is the hardest/most annoying boss for Nyzul, and guess what :D, Atonement does extra dmg to Cerberus family lol. Idk how much extra but anything over 750 can most likely break the SS he puts up in 1 hit, and PLD also can make your PT stay alive longer with Rampart if an AoE is about to hit etc.
And PLD doesn't have that bad acc :/, A+ skill but they are tied for 17th in DEX, only WHM is behind, but that only hurts so much. PLD only appears to have bad acc because the ones you see in EXP probably have little to no acc gear on, compared to all your DD's having 20-30~ etc, also the 1 hand acc Vs 2 hand.
Nyzul is about people's skill the DD's jobs don't really matter.
As for Nyzul, Nyzul is about player communication and skill, as for bosses PLD w/ a Joyeuse and good TP gear will be putting out 720-750 Atonement, and they can get a Wing and Regain drink to really speed it up.
So imo, and perhaps many of yours, Cerberus is the hardest/most annoying boss for Nyzul, and guess what :D, Atonement does extra dmg to Cerberus family lol. Idk how much extra but anything over 750 can most likely break the SS he puts up in 1 hit, and PLD also can make your PT stay alive longer with Rampart if an AoE is about to hit etc.
And PLD doesn't have that bad acc :/, A+ skill but they are tied for 17th in DEX, only WHM is behind, but that only hurts so much. PLD only appears to have bad acc because the ones you see in EXP probably have little to no acc gear on, compared to all your DD's having 20-30~ etc, also the 1 hand acc Vs 2 hand.
Nyzul is about people's skill the DD's jobs don't really matter.
Bahamut.Rumaha said:
I saw the title and I flashed back to like 2004 when PLD never got PT cuz NIN was "the tank", sad days then.
As for Nyzul, Nyzul is about player communication and skill, as for bosses PLD w/ a Joyeuse and good TP gear will be putting out 720-750 Atonement, and they can get a Wing and Regain drink to really speed it up.
So imo, and perhaps many of yours, Cerberus is the hardest/most annoying boss for Nyzul, and guess what :D, Atonement does extra dmg to Cerberus family lol. Idk how much extra but anything over 750 can most likely break the SS he puts up in 1 hit, and PLD also can make your PT stay alive longer with Rampart if an AoE is about to hit etc.
And PLD doesn't have that bad acc :/, A skill but they are tied for 17th in DEX, only WHM is behind, but that only hurts so much. PLD only appears to have bad acc because the ones you see in EXP probably have little to no acc gear on, compared to all your DD's having 20-30~ etc, also the 1 hand acc Vs 2 hand.
Nyzul is about people's skill the DD's jobs don't really matter.
As for Nyzul, Nyzul is about player communication and skill, as for bosses PLD w/ a Joyeuse and good TP gear will be putting out 720-750 Atonement, and they can get a Wing and Regain drink to really speed it up.
So imo, and perhaps many of yours, Cerberus is the hardest/most annoying boss for Nyzul, and guess what :D, Atonement does extra dmg to Cerberus family lol. Idk how much extra but anything over 750 can most likely break the SS he puts up in 1 hit, and PLD also can make your PT stay alive longer with Rampart if an AoE is about to hit etc.
And PLD doesn't have that bad acc :/, A skill but they are tied for 17th in DEX, only WHM is behind, but that only hurts so much. PLD only appears to have bad acc because the ones you see in EXP probably have little to no acc gear on, compared to all your DD's having 20-30~ etc, also the 1 hand acc Vs 2 hand.
Nyzul is about people's skill the DD's jobs don't really matter.
Its about 200-450 extra dmg on the one in nzyul depending if you've built enmity to cap. which is simple pld/dnc mix of enmity tanking gear/ haste / and acc. my group never finishes with less than 5 minutes left typically before the 10 mark. but from personal experience take it pld/dnc so you can main heal for some DD's when you have to split up on ALL ENEMIES floors.
Cerberus.Geldric said:
He never said anything about PLD sucking in Nyzul Isle, and you still haven't defended saying RDM is a better then PLD.
Whats there to defend and didn't say it was better job (Which it is)
I said rdm/nin it can out DD a pld/nin. I'm basing it on
me soloing on both jobs on tough mobs in the past.
Only other thing i can do is put up ss, but i'm @ work atm
so thats not happening anytime soon. O.o
You can either agree or disagree or put up ss proving me wrong
I honestly don't care just was putting my 2 cents in from a guy
who has both jobs. I might start a thread in Rdm forum
and get their opinion on this lol :)
Odin.Kalico said:
Cerberus.Geldric said:
He never said anything about PLD sucking in Nyzul Isle, and you still haven't defended saying RDM is a better then PLD.
Whats there to defend and didn't say it was better job (Which it is)
I said rdm/nin it can out DD a pld/nin. I'm basing it on
me soloing on both jobs on tough mobs in the past.
Only other thing i can do is put up ss, but i'm @ work atm
so thats not happening anytime soon. O.o
You can either agree or disagree or put up ss proving me wrong
I honestly don't care just was putting my 2 cents in from a guy
who has both jobs. I might start a thread in Rdm forum
and get their opinion on this lol :)
lol rdm shut up and go [Back line job] pls :)
PLD are underated full stop.
Stick a joyuese in a paladins hand, add atonement, and your laughing.
Stick a joyuese in a paladins hand, add atonement, and your laughing.
Ok so i been also told that ninja is a useless job for nyzul also is this true?
I been leveling it mostly for nyzul
I been leveling it mostly for nyzul
Ramuh.Urial said:
Odin.Kalico said:
Cerberus.Geldric said:
He never said anything about PLD sucking in Nyzul Isle, and you still haven't defended saying RDM is a better then PLD.
lol I only solo with my Rdm I got blu for my DD
and like I said b4 my Pld is 75 w decent gear.
Kujata.Thevenominside said:
PLD are underated full stop.
Stick a joyuese in a paladins hand, add atonement, and your laughing.
Stick a joyuese in a paladins hand, add atonement, and your laughing.
Although I prefer DD, <Insert Job Here> is welcome to my party as long as you do your part. There are times I wish I had a PLD,BLM, ect in the party. So, don't knock the person or the job, just give them a chance. It's Nyzul Isle not ACP 11 specific onry job setups. Especially if it's for a climb. If we can complete floors as 4 people, I don't see why any given job can't fill an open slot.
Shiva.Clowdd said:
Although I prefer DD, <Insert Job Here> is welcome to my party as long as you do your part. There are times I wish I had a PLD,BLM, ect in the party. So, don't knock the person or the job, just give them a chance. It's Nyzul Isle not ACP 11 specific onry job setups. Especially if it's for a climb. If we can complete floors as 4 people, I don't see why any given job can't fill an open slot.
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Fairy.Vegetto said:
Shiva.Clowdd said:
Although I prefer DD, <Insert Job Here> is welcome to my party as long as you do your part. There are times I wish I had a PLD,BLM, ect in the party. So, don't knock the person or the job, just give them a chance. It's Nyzul Isle not ACP 11 specific onry job setups. Especially if it's for a climb. If we can complete floors as 4 people, I don't see why any given job can't fill an open slot.
Yep :0
Fairy.Jalen said:
Ok so i been also told that ninja is a useless job for nyzul also is this true? I been leveling it mostly for nyzul
Kinda yea.
War is a pretty good job to take in though, and you have that levelled decently high.
yeah I kinda was force to level it lol but im takin a break from it atm
Odin.Kalico said:
Fairy.Vegetto said:
Shiva.Clowdd said:
Although I prefer DD, <Insert Job Here> is welcome to my party as long as you do your part. There are times I wish I had a PLD,BLM, ect in the party. So, don't knock the person or the job, just give them a chance. It's Nyzul Isle not ACP 11 specific onry job setups. Especially if it's for a climb. If we can complete floors as 4 people, I don't see why any given job can't fill an open slot.
Yep :0
Bahamut.Rocha said:
PLD can't do enough dmg lol and who needs a tank when you got Fanatics Drink
Not going to read all 4 pages coz well I don't really care. But, something in your post just seemed wrong... Staff?? /NIN and dual wield with a joytoy at least or something :S
You know Whm can pull off some decent #'s with 2 clubs /nin
hex Ws. Does this mean we should inv a Whm/nin w a good
DD set up to come DD in Nyzul? LMAO :0
hex Ws. Does this mean we should inv a Whm/nin w a good
DD set up to come DD in Nyzul? LMAO :0
I didnt read all this but I totally had to comment because...
Our Nyzul static:
PLD/DNC (<3!!), SAM/DNCx2 (or /WAR in cases), BLU/NIN, RDM/WHM, THF/DNC.
PLD tanked, cured, and helped take enfeebles off party. He had joytoy was was getting TP like mad. The SAM's did a good amount of damage. the BLU damaged out and also stunned a lot of the bad stuff. THF was fast puller, cured, took us up on floors, and also took enfeebles off the party. Everyone could pretty much take care of themselves, while myself on RDM did most cures, kept people buffed, debuffed mobs, etc.
it was AMAZING. we RIPPED into Nyzul and completed it within about... 2-3 months, and a lot of the time most of us couldnt get on/didnt have 4 tags sometimes.
PLD helped me as a RDM so much. He did an amazing job, as did the whole team.
Granted some combinations do "better" or "worse" but as far as I know? Any job has a reasonable use in Nyzul. Its the GROUP that counts, and how people work TOGETHER to complete the floors. Not about e-peen.
Our Nyzul static:
PLD/DNC (<3!!), SAM/DNCx2 (or /WAR in cases), BLU/NIN, RDM/WHM, THF/DNC.
PLD tanked, cured, and helped take enfeebles off party. He had joytoy was was getting TP like mad. The SAM's did a good amount of damage. the BLU damaged out and also stunned a lot of the bad stuff. THF was fast puller, cured, took us up on floors, and also took enfeebles off the party. Everyone could pretty much take care of themselves, while myself on RDM did most cures, kept people buffed, debuffed mobs, etc.
it was AMAZING. we RIPPED into Nyzul and completed it within about... 2-3 months, and a lot of the time most of us couldnt get on/didnt have 4 tags sometimes.
PLD helped me as a RDM so much. He did an amazing job, as did the whole team.
Granted some combinations do "better" or "worse" but as far as I know? Any job has a reasonable use in Nyzul. Its the GROUP that counts, and how people work TOGETHER to complete the floors. Not about e-peen.
Fenrir.Rinielenika said:
I didnt read all this but I totally had to comment because...
Our Nyzul static:
PLD/DNC (<3!!), SAM/DNCx2 (or /WAR in cases), BLU/NIN, RDM/WHM, THF/DNC.
PLD tanked, cured, and helped take enfeebles off party. He had joytoy was was getting TP like mad. The SAM's did a good amount of damage. the BLU damaged out and also stunned a lot of the bad stuff. THF was fast puller, cured, took us up on floors, and also took enfeebles off the party. Everyone could pretty much take care of themselves, while myself on RDM did most cures, kept people buffed, debuffed mobs, etc.
it was AMAZING. we RIPPED into Nyzul and completed it within about... 2-3 months, and a lot of the time most of us couldnt get on/didnt have 4 tags sometimes.
PLD helped me as a RDM so much. He did an amazing job, as did the whole team.
Granted some combinations do "better" or "worse" but as far as I know? Any job has a reasonable use in Nyzul. Its the GROUP that counts, and how people work TOGETHER to complete the floors. Not about e-peen.
Our Nyzul static:
PLD/DNC (<3!!), SAM/DNCx2 (or /WAR in cases), BLU/NIN, RDM/WHM, THF/DNC.
PLD tanked, cured, and helped take enfeebles off party. He had joytoy was was getting TP like mad. The SAM's did a good amount of damage. the BLU damaged out and also stunned a lot of the bad stuff. THF was fast puller, cured, took us up on floors, and also took enfeebles off the party. Everyone could pretty much take care of themselves, while myself on RDM did most cures, kept people buffed, debuffed mobs, etc.
it was AMAZING. we RIPPED into Nyzul and completed it within about... 2-3 months, and a lot of the time most of us couldnt get on/didnt have 4 tags sometimes.
PLD helped me as a RDM so much. He did an amazing job, as did the whole team.
Granted some combinations do "better" or "worse" but as far as I know? Any job has a reasonable use in Nyzul. Its the GROUP that counts, and how people work TOGETHER to complete the floors. Not about e-peen.
Kinda like my static
PLD/DNC(uber fun) SAM/NIN X2 MNK/NIN DRG/SAM RDM/WHM
Odin.Kalico said:
You know Whm can pull off some decent #'s with 2 clubs /nin
hex Ws. Does this mean we should inv a Whm/nin w a good
DD set up to come DD in Nyzul? LMAO :0
hex Ws. Does this mean we should inv a Whm/nin w a good
DD set up to come DD in Nyzul? LMAO :0
So what does that have to do with inviting a pld to nyzul?
A pld CAN be effective in Nyzul and yes I agree pld/dnc is nice. But whimja? C'mon you're digging deep just to argue it seems.
The Op asked why he was getting a no thanks
when he responded to nyzul shouts wanting to come as Pld.
you can do nyzul 6X pup and still win but doesn't mean a
it should be done or a better set up won't give you better results.
basically we believe that putting a DD in that pld slot
when doing nyzul, winning will be faster with a higher sucess rate
thats all.
when he responded to nyzul shouts wanting to come as Pld.
you can do nyzul 6X pup and still win but doesn't mean a
it should be done or a better set up won't give you better results.
basically we believe that putting a DD in that pld slot
when doing nyzul, winning will be faster with a higher sucess rate
thats all.
I have no idea which side your on from that post.
***... Any DD will out perform a PLD
when it comes to nyzul period.
I cann't be any more clear than that :0
when it comes to nyzul period.
I cann't be any more clear than that :0
A PLD in a Nyzul party means the entire party has to be built around the PLD to make up for what the PLD is lacking (mainly, damage.) No one, especially a shout pick up party, wants to be bothered with limiting their entire set up simply because they added a PLD instead of a DD to the mix.
You guys make wonderful tanks, but damage wise, you guys are meh. I would rather go with a heavy hitting DD and make it almost a sure win than a PLD and possibly lose because mobs weren't dying fast enough.
My suggestion? Get a static. Or form a static. That way, you can work the party around your specific needs. You don't bring the damage. So find people who can make up for your shortcomings.
You guys do make wonderful tanks though <3
You guys make wonderful tanks, but damage wise, you guys are meh. I would rather go with a heavy hitting DD and make it almost a sure win than a PLD and possibly lose because mobs weren't dying fast enough.
My suggestion? Get a static. Or form a static. That way, you can work the party around your specific needs. You don't bring the damage. So find people who can make up for your shortcomings.
You guys do make wonderful tanks though <3
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This almost reminds me when my static started, we cleared 1-20 with smn, whm, rdm, war, drk, sch. lol.
I would really accept any combination of jobs for the lower floors, however as the floors start getting harder I would certainly not invite a pld. As well as a few other jobs.
I would really accept any combination of jobs for the lower floors, however as the floors start getting harder I would certainly not invite a pld. As well as a few other jobs.
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I said rdm/nin it can out DD a pld/nin. I'm basing it on
me soloing on both jobs on tough mobs in the past.
me soloing on both jobs on tough mobs in the past.
You mean rating Tough mobs?
Cause you don't melee anything objectively looking for damage that's remotely tough solo on RDM...
Joy/Justice/---/Sting
Turban/PCC/Suppa/Brutal
Hauby+1/Homam/Toreador's/Rajas
Cuch/Swift/Homam/Homam
is what I'd mess around DDing with on PLD. Are you saying a RDM can beat that?
Hell you can even PLD/SAM with a Gswrd in Nyzul and such if you really wanted =P
Before anyone says anything~ 2h update means good accuracy, Nyzul is low evasion mobs anyway and Spinning Slash is a very consistent weaponskill.
Not gonna decide which is better between the two setups (I'd imagine the dual sword one) but it's an option. Paladin DD capacity is a bit underrated, even when not talking Atonement.
It's not really topic-related but Spinning Slash has to be one of the best WSs in the game, hands down.
IMO~ the leader of that run was probably not willing to "try" to win w/ a PLD. He'd rather have a pt setup thats gonna have a sure win, if anything (less stress for him considering its a pick-up pt w/ ppl he doesnt know anything about). Having a good pld DD'er means a few things need to happen; he has to be able to trust you (i doubt that was the case), said PLD would have to be experienced in such setup and have the gear specialized for w/e happends.
All in all, id say he just didnt want to risk it cuz he was the one putting the effort to make the run.
My advice...
"If you want things done right, you'll just have to do them yourself"
setup your own run, and if anyone has a problem w/ u going PLD, give em a swift boot...
Cheers
All in all, id say he just didnt want to risk it cuz he was the one putting the effort to make the run.
My advice...
"If you want things done right, you'll just have to do them yourself"
setup your own run, and if anyone has a problem w/ u going PLD, give em a swift boot...
Cheers
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Pld get access to some powerful Staves and have A- skill rating in it compared to B for the Great Sword.
Retribution does nice dmg also if you have a decent ws gear setup.
Retribution does nice dmg also if you have a decent ws gear setup.
nyzul is easy, bringing a pld instead of a dd shouldn't affect it. But this is coming from someone who wanted to do nyzul as a pld too, lmao.
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