Another Pro Choice Vs Pro Life Thread
Another pro choice vs pro life thread
Too bad the Maury Show wasn't around back then... Maybe things would have been different, idk.
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Wenuden said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Wenuden said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Well then, after having two children she still feels the need that other women who aren't ready to have one, still should go though all that, that's her opinion.
Fair enough. Can't really argue with that.
Fair enough. Can't really argue with that.
There's no point in arguing with someone as biased as my sister or I anyways, you'll never change our opinions.
Wow, they're that cheap?
Also it's a sorta long story. She was technically going out with my best friend (well not anymore) and they were having a rough patch, and well to makes things simple I was like I got this.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Too bad the Maury Show wasn't around back then... Maybe things would have been different, idk.
O.o You are NOT the father?!?
Fenrir.Jinjo said: »
God damn, I love when a bunch of people with penises get together to decide what goes on inside a uterus.
I am not an engineer, ergo I should not be allowed to decide if cars should implement more safety features.
Or something.
She said they didn't have sex for a month. He said, much later on, they didn't have sex for weeks. We had sex for 2 months, almost every day, before the incident. So who knows? $63, problem solved. I'm a nice guy like that, lol.
If women weren't allowed to abort their unborn fetuses so that I could make clones of myself, I would be very upset.
Pro-choice for more of me.
Pro-choice for more of me.
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
They're terrifying, Elana. Like a horrifying trap made of spider mouths that hold a gate to a hell-stricken abyss.
Scary. As. Hell.
Scary. As. Hell.
I agree. :x I have one, and I still dislike them.
Pro choice.
Always have been, always will.
Always have been, always will.
Prochoice under circumstances which are always hard to enforce by any law anyways because theres too many ifs-ands-buts
rapes and major health issues..abortion understood.
2 consenting adults....don't have much sympathy for you, sorry.
mid to late term abortion..yeah no.
our ho-cat had a kitty cat abortion the other day and I felt so incredibly guilty. She came to us pregnant about a year ago and having to deal with kittens and adopting out kittens and the vet bills for gangrene mastitis was enough of an experience. She got herself preggers again and I couldn't deal with another round...so got her spayed. The doctor was a friend of mine and she told me the rough age of the kittens and I ended up googling kitten fetuses and I wanted to cry. But theres plenty of other pets out there without homes waiting to be adopted by somebody. I didn't need to add to that number.
People arent nearly the same as pets but I can only imagine the amount of emotions running through a womans head when she's trying to make her decision but she deserves a decision. It's her body and future.
rapes and major health issues..abortion understood.
2 consenting adults....don't have much sympathy for you, sorry.
mid to late term abortion..yeah no.
our ho-cat had a kitty cat abortion the other day and I felt so incredibly guilty. She came to us pregnant about a year ago and having to deal with kittens and adopting out kittens and the vet bills for gangrene mastitis was enough of an experience. She got herself preggers again and I couldn't deal with another round...so got her spayed. The doctor was a friend of mine and she told me the rough age of the kittens and I ended up googling kitten fetuses and I wanted to cry. But theres plenty of other pets out there without homes waiting to be adopted by somebody. I didn't need to add to that number.
People arent nearly the same as pets but I can only imagine the amount of emotions running through a womans head when she's trying to make her decision but she deserves a decision. It's her body and future.
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I think most of us pro-choicers and more or less unanimously agree that circumstance along with promotion of sexual education and consistant use of condoms and/or birth control are primary factors to be put forward before abortion becomes the option.
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Kujata.Daus said: »
People arent nearly the same as pets
Ive come past several animals that were more human than humans. The value of life is given to the specific life in question. It's subjective since everyone values different things differently.
If I had to save either an animal or a human from a bomb - who would I save? It would totally depend. Human life is not more important than other species - we just think we are because we have superior intellegence... (and even that is debateable)
Condoms are lame. Other than that, I'm down for some birth control, unless you're trying to get pregnant.
Terrible!
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Mr Williams alleged Gosnell would induce labour in his patients and the babies would be born ‘squirming and crying’ before having their spines cut.
Kujata.Daus said: »
2 consenting adults....don't have much sympathy for you, sorry.
I have a question.
Why is this? Because even with two adults being fully educated, and mutually using contraceptives, nothing is ever 100% effective, thus there will always be a potential margin of error for potential impregnation. Do they not deserve the right to mutual pleasure of sexual relations or ability to abort an unnecessary or unwanted child despite all necessary precautions and measures taken to prevent pregnancy?
After the first trimester, if you don't know you're pregnant by then and/or doing something about it, unless it's some crazy like incest and being forced to carry, I see no reason to go the abortion route then. Unless something happens like stillborn or w/e along those lines.
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Ghoulish. What's worse though is the anti-abortion camp will raise this moron as the flagbearer for people who are pro-choice while completely missing the point that most pro-choice individuals are against mid to late term abortions.
Seriously, if you haven't made up your mind by the first or second month to get an abortion what the heck are you waiting for?
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We had a neighbor that allowed her cats to breed with each other and pretty much run around the neighborhood at whim. One mother cat kept coming back to our house with a total of four litters of kittens. We managed to find them homes and ended up spaying her and naming her Rosalin. We got to see the kitties develop individual personalities and we named each of them. Roz was a sweetie, and watching her babies grow up was incredible. ; ;
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Ghoulish. What's worse though is the anti-abortion camp will raise this moron as the flagbearer for people who are pro-choice while completely missing the point that most pro-choice individuals are against mid to late term abortions.
Seriously, if you haven't made up your mind by the first or second month to get an abortion what the heck are you waiting for?
Yeah...Unfortunately, this example was already used by the anti-abortion clan.
It doesn't seem like a tricky decision, but then again, I don't know. Just weigh the pros and cons just as you would any other life-altering decision. My mother was an RN in obstetrics and gynecology since she came to the States, so she granted me the understanding and was more than willing to provide birth control. I know some parents are squeamish about the subject, but seriously? Who wants their child's teen/early-twenties completely disrupted?
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DEAR AMY: Three years ago when I started dating my husband, I asked him about kids and he said, “I could never have kids.” Then I asked about what would happen if I got pregnant, and he said we would raise the child together. At the time having kids was not a priority for me, so I brushed it aside.
The problem is that once we got married (five months ago), I realized that having a child is a big priority for me and that I was running out of time. I knew it was wrong, but I would accidentally-on-purpose skip days of my birth control, eventually ceasing to take the pills at all. I knew that if we had a child, my husband would grow to love it.
The problem was that, after months of this, I never conceived. A few weeks ago, I finally decided to broach the topic again with my husband. I discovered that he had a vasectomy a year before we met!
He swears that he has mentioned it before, but I know he hasn’t. I feel sick knowing that he kept something like this from me. I also feel trapped in my marriage knowing that it will always be just the two of us. Should I get out while I can and find a husband who wants a child, or will I outgrow this need? -- Desperately Seeking a Child
DEAR SEEKING: When your husband stated “I could never have kids,” it sounds like he seems to think this is the same thing as saying, “I had a vasectomy.” It is not.
If he had told you outright that he’d had a vasectomy, this is not the sort of statement you would likely forget; his assertion that he disclosed this doesn’t ring true.
So far your marriage is built on the flimsiest foundation, with both of you behaving dishonestly about a matter that will dictate the course of the rest of your lives.
You will not likely “outgrow” your desire to have children — in fact, this impulse could grow stronger as time goes by.
You two desperately need to strip away the obfuscation and start telling the truth. Unvarnish it. Why did he have a vasectomy in the first place? Is he willing to have children now? Would he be willing to have his vasectomy reversed or adopt a child with you? Give yourself a reasonable timeline.
A counselor could help to mediate this conversation; total honesty and clarity about this will help both of you make a decision about the future of your marriage. source
The problem is that once we got married (five months ago), I realized that having a child is a big priority for me and that I was running out of time. I knew it was wrong, but I would accidentally-on-purpose skip days of my birth control, eventually ceasing to take the pills at all. I knew that if we had a child, my husband would grow to love it.
The problem was that, after months of this, I never conceived. A few weeks ago, I finally decided to broach the topic again with my husband. I discovered that he had a vasectomy a year before we met!
He swears that he has mentioned it before, but I know he hasn’t. I feel sick knowing that he kept something like this from me. I also feel trapped in my marriage knowing that it will always be just the two of us. Should I get out while I can and find a husband who wants a child, or will I outgrow this need? -- Desperately Seeking a Child
DEAR SEEKING: When your husband stated “I could never have kids,” it sounds like he seems to think this is the same thing as saying, “I had a vasectomy.” It is not.
If he had told you outright that he’d had a vasectomy, this is not the sort of statement you would likely forget; his assertion that he disclosed this doesn’t ring true.
So far your marriage is built on the flimsiest foundation, with both of you behaving dishonestly about a matter that will dictate the course of the rest of your lives.
You will not likely “outgrow” your desire to have children — in fact, this impulse could grow stronger as time goes by.
You two desperately need to strip away the obfuscation and start telling the truth. Unvarnish it. Why did he have a vasectomy in the first place? Is he willing to have children now? Would he be willing to have his vasectomy reversed or adopt a child with you? Give yourself a reasonable timeline.
A counselor could help to mediate this conversation; total honesty and clarity about this will help both of you make a decision about the future of your marriage. source
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The problem is that once we got married (five months ago), I realized that having a child is a big priority for me and that I was running out of time. I knew it was wrong, but I would accidentally-on-purpose skip days of my birth control, eventually ceasing to take the pills at all. I knew that if we had a child, my husband would grow to love it.
Why I handle my own birth control. This is the nightmare scenario right here.
I laughed at her getting owned by her husbands stealth vasectomy though.
True. That was a very under-handed move on her part.
EDIT: Also, if he said that he couldn't, and she wanted kids even a little why did they get hitched?
EDIT: Also, if he said that he couldn't, and she wanted kids even a little why did they get hitched?
Wow that's *** on both their parts.
And really, I understand a woman's need to procreate, but what is so awful about adoption at that point? Frankly it's the bond between family that is more powerful than personal sentiments.
And really, I understand a woman's need to procreate, but what is so awful about adoption at that point? Frankly it's the bond between family that is more powerful than personal sentiments.
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I may as well put this here. A pretty *** thing to do, but even more shitty on her part. A humorous read to say the least.
Not that I'm suggesting that men should be allowed to tell women what to do with their bodies, and taking responsibility for your own birth control is an important thing as well, but I think it's wholly unfair for anyone to take advantage of a relationship like that.
They're both deceitful, but the woman shouldn't take advantage of her husband's trust in their relationship, and force him to change the course of his life, because she's too cowardly to bring up the topic.
They're both deceitful, but the woman shouldn't take advantage of her husband's trust in their relationship, and force him to change the course of his life, because she's too cowardly to bring up the topic.
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