Another Pro Choice Vs Pro Life Thread

Hey then she should ask.. would I be comfortable with having a kid and losing my social and independent life for him planting his seed in me?

Which of course she will answer yes to any guy cause she's full of estrogen so that doesn't work...

I've heard coward before but... ruffian?! >(

Even if you took that approach it's impossible to know what type of mother a woman could be through such a mental process.

Let's face it, people experiment before settling on the "right" woman or man and plenty of mistakes are bound to happen in our world free of bitter sexual repression. The best way for humanity to "evolve" would be to leave the option of abortion available and leave it up to the parents to decide.

You got a top hat on... it reminded me o Cho'gath from League of Legends. He says that.

No... we have all 13 year old males get a vasectomy. Then everyone can *** their brains out *The rare case of it not working and being botched now some girl is pregnant, also STD's will still be around.... but that will help as well leave some women infertile.... but it's natural selection... that's the best way to decide" and worry less about it. Then when we do need kids get the reverse job done.

Why? I can have my cake and eat it, too. This is the 21st century.

It doesn't have to be the "right" person that you want to spend your life with, just someone that you're willing to pay child support if that need arises. Abortion is an option now. It's just my opinion that sex requires an additional mental capacity beyond the physical ability to do it. Most don't agree, and a lot of people get saddled with unwanted children. :)


Of course a woman should take the same question into consideration. Personally, I wouldn't force a guy to take care of my child if he didn't want to, I'd be glad to be rid of his sorry ***. I just think you're better off sticking to masturbation if you can't even have a conversation about conception with the person you're having sex with. It seems like it's safe a lot of people a lot of heartache and stress. :\

But I understand that most people don't agree with me, I just don't think they should complain about the consequences that they set themselves up for. :3

All cells have of course held life. Even hair and nails are made of dead cells. It's not about that for me. It's more than I don't think there's a set time when we can say an unborn child is not yet conscious one day and conscious the next.

As for the ability to sustain life, well, even most full-grown adults would have trouble if you took away their food and shelter sources and left them to fend for themselves in unfamiliar territory. Which is a bad analogy, I know, I know. Fetuses are little more than parasites, while full-grown adults are actual, well, people.

And it's not a set of beliefs for me. This would typically seem like a religious mind set, and as you know, I am non-religious.

I guess it's just a sense of unease. Yes, I think there are times when an abortion is more preferable than birthing the child. And yes, I do think that there are some people so unfit to be parents that it would be better for them to abort rather than to bring an unwanted child into the world, or a child they would neglect or mistreat. It's just a little nagging doubt in the back of my head, that until scientists can say exactly when a fetus becomes conscious, I would (personally) only abort in extreme situations.

But like Xueye said, what other people do is their choice and I don't really think anyone has the right to say they have to do one thing or another with their own bodies. It's just a silly unease I have, and maybe one that I will eventually grow out of.

Sometimes, Special Agent Gibbs goes into his basement to build his boat. When that happens, he uses some sharp tools. Now, he knows he can cut himself, but Gibbs wears gloves.

If a powertool rips through the glove, should Gibbs not get it stitched up? He knew the risk.

Uh, he can do whatever he feels like, but I think that comparing that scenario to conceiving a child is a bit of a stretch.

Lol that was a funny *** metaphor comparison

pretty sure they have awhile back, but I'd have to research again.

It's hard to break ourselves of things we've been trained to think of for ages.

Is it really so? Gibbs likes to make boats.

Some people like to *** like rabbits. Gibbs can mess up his own hand pretty badly, but there are two people that can *** up that time.

If Gibbs can go to the hospital to sew his right fingers back on, why shouldn't people be able to get abortions? Special Agent Gibbs didn't mean to saw his fingers off, but it was still a real possibility using powertools alone.

They didn't mean to break the condom, or to fall prey to contraceptives being 99% effective. Why should we deny a couple a tool that can help them get their lives back in order?

We don't tell Gibbs "lol, you *** up brah live with no fingers."

Furthermore, there is more of a chance that Gibbs *** something up than contraceptives. Shouldn't we deny Gibbs the 2nd chance at life? He has to hold a gun and needs both hands to do his investigations; he knew the risk when he used that powertool without a helper!

So why should we deny others the option to have second chances? Honestly, anyone who says "They knew what they were getting into, they deserved it" seems a little... schaudenfreudistic? Vindicitive?

Why should you care?

oddly related as to a prospector of natural selection I thought awhile back that hospitals should possibly start a 3 strike policy.

or is that just too harsh?

I never said people shouldn't get an abortion, but if a girl doesn't want one then, under current law, the guy has to pay child support. I was speaking under that circumstance. If they both want an abortion, I don't see the problem. I'm not sure where I said I was anti-abortion. :)

Being stupid and irresponsible shouldn't be a crime. Nor should being the victim of rape, or bad circumstances.

I'd say it boils down to these factors:

Allow abortions:

• Women's rights
  

• Avoid bringing unwanted children into the world
  

• Impending world overpopulation
  

• If it's made illegal, some women will choose to use coat hangers and/or throw babies in trash dumpsters

Don't allow abortions:

• The Christian church says it's bad
  

• Some people can't sleep at night when they think about unborn children "being murdered"
  

• Some people can not comprehend worldly concerns, and/or only ever really care about what happens in their neighborhood/town
  

• Life is too precious to mistreat it

The argument is compelling on both sides, but frankly, the "pro-choice" argument is overwhelmingly more compelling, and more importantly, more relevant to today's society and culture.
The Earth is not going to support the unchecked continuation of worldwide population growth for more than another century or two, at the most. While we definitely need to continue reproducing, as a species, ... we really shouldn't be too concerned when a potential parent is sharp enough to realize s/he can not provide the nourishment, nurturing, and time/money/resource allocation *required* to rear a child in this century. The "moral ramifications" of ending a life before it begins are credible ... but they pale in comparison to the practical and tangible ramifications of population overgrowth.
Take all that, and throw-in the fact that a woman should indeed be entitled to choose when-and-if she'll allow a child to incubate in her abdomen, and ultimately, it's a slam-dunk, in my opinion.

Abortion is never going to be outlawed for political/religious reasons ... there's too much at stake that transcends "Christian values". Sure, we'll still see some low-IQ conservative zealots try to push legislation that prohibits abortions now-and-then ... but that ***isn't ever going to get anywhere.

I meant for things like accidents and keeping idiots alive/well, not abortion.

sorry for the confusion.

Was mostly responding to the mentality of "setting themselves up for it" bit. ***happens! Condoms rip! Young people can be extra-stupid! People can be uneducated. Tequila is a hell of a drink!

I say that all jovially, for what it's worth.

Not sure what the compromise is for man wanting abortion, woman not; or vice-versa. That's the million dollar question.

***happens, but if you live in a world with no consequences, I believe people will never learn from their mistakes and choose better in the future.

Personally, I view abortion as denying another human's right to life, which I feel I don't have the power to do. I understand though, that not everyone will agree and that forcing your will on people is senseless.

all this womans gets full say, always blame the man junk is probably a subconscious reason why i'm homosexual >_> solves almost everything

I honestly think if they improved the science curriculum in our K-12 schools this debate would end. I try not to pigeon hole people, however, there is a significant number of pro-life individuals who speak very "un-educatedly" when it comes to fetal/embryo development.

a fetus isn't a human and it doesn't have rights...

I was once that fetus and my parents allowed me to live, therefore I don't feel I should take that away from something I created. It's a personal choice, you can do what you want with your creations.

The NCIS analogies made me laugh heartily.


I imagine most individuals when having a kid would like to actually participate beyond a mere financial obligation. I mean whats the point of reproducing if you're going to treat the kid like a phone or gas bill. A man or woman just paying child support and not participating in the rearing of their kid is doing the child a disservice.

Ideally you want someone you can "like" and not just the hot dude or chick that you've been fawning over, had sex with and end up stuck with because of a child.

Yeah sex requires the mental capacity to use protection, understand the risks and choose your partners wisely but ***happens, people aren't always ready for the financial equivalent of a house and options should be open.

Given proper education abortion rates drop and individuals are more likely to avoid the sticky situation of an abortion by practicing safe sex, abstaining, masturbating or whatever floats their boat.

The problem I have with some in the anti-abortion camp is the dogmatic desire to eliminate any sex-ed, educating people not to use protection, destroying family planning and setting us back hundreds of years on often purely religious grounds.

The options are really pro-choice or no-choice in those scenarios.

Well, typically the same people who are anti-abortion are also anti sex before marriage. They feel that sex ed encourages students to have sex. It seems like they want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't happen. :\

Lol, you found this through that Carls Jr thing's related videos didn't you.

Anyways, if I was pro-life I would make excuses for rape or the woman giving birth being younger than a certain age (which I am not qualified to determine)

Or if the mother had a life-threatening contagious disease or STD.

It's because they've never taken a sex-ed course.

When I did sex-ed in HS the pictures of STDs were so graphic they still are pretty vivid in my head to this day. When you see genitals covered in worts, blisters and other painful looking lumps you're not itching to go have sex after class is over.

Speaking of itching we also went over all the fungal infections as well and were tested. Hell we even had some humorous moments where we got to see our classmates put condoms on a banana. Pretty funny when one girl squeezed the banana and "broke" it while another left nailmarks in the banana. The childbirth video we watched was completely gross in almost every imaginable way to a student also. It reminded me of a bloody waterslide.

Definitely not the glamorous scenes you get from watching TV but overall very informative and something that should be staple.

My sex ed class was pretty horrible. We watched 4-5 Lifetime movies and read chapters in a textbook. Oh, and we saw a video of sperm impregnating an egg. It didn't leave much of an impression, nor was it very informative about the actual act of having sex. :p

ACTUALLY interestingly enough they do.. kinda off topic I was talking to my friend in law school... in some states u can get charged for murder if u miscarry or even still birth.
Miscarriage? Face Prison