no yun, the reaving wind pattern is at low hp, and always follows this pattern of reaving wind x (1-3) -> calam wind x (1-3), always doing same number of each in a row. the list even shows when that pattern begins to happen.
direct quote from wikipedia "As its HP decreases, Zirnitra will begin to spam Reaving Winds in succession to one another. After it's done doing this (at a max of three times) it unleashes the same number of Calamitous Winds as he did Reaving Winds (Ex: If it does three Reaving Winds, it will follow up with three Calamitous Winds)."
clearly noted by a different syntax of "reaving wind x2, calam wind x2" on the list
lorz, i said i was feeding it minimal tp, by punching, with shadows. so i could "make it do its next tp move" yet not spam them.
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If you beat the nm does it really matter who is wrong or right as long as you beat the nm @.@ also every player plays diffrent and make rough decisions based on there play then base there normal play against the foes play then adjust. To be honest no one person plays out a nm fight the same second by second.
Ramuh.Lorzy said:
it has nothing to do with your attitude. the only thing that had to do with your attitude was that people were a little harsher about the evasion thing, and that was a while back now.
honestly, though, if i were to test it i would probably try to do it while feeding minimal tp. like i said earlier, it's hard to take everything into account when telling someone else what you did in a fight, so i don't know if you were testing with varying amounts of tp feed.
honestly, though, if i were to test it i would probably try to do it while feeding minimal tp. like i said earlier, it's hard to take everything into account when telling someone else what you did in a fight, so i don't know if you were testing with varying amounts of tp feed.
This, etc.
My opinion on the matter (like I said I don't know who's right because I've never fought the mob) is that since that particular mob is from *that*(*** you Scylla) patch, it very well could have a weird casting pattern somehow relating to TP move frequency.
However, it's not really going to be all that easy to prove either way unless you(or Yuna) give Lorzy and I a bunch of samples with varying amounts of TP feeding(differing amounts of SB etc) and other stuff I'm sure neither of you want to do just(but hey if you want to I'm not stopping you...) to prove that you're right(or wrong). Especially given that I'm sure that neither Lorzy or I care all that much about some outdated-content monster that doesn't drop anything of particular interest. D:
the principle matters, she made up a pattern that no one else sees and wont give up saying it exists.
again does it really matter how you beat it as long as you beat it and have fun ^_^
its a game! lol
its a game! lol
Ramuh.Lorzy said:
Asura.Yunalaysca said:
Ramuh.Lorzy said:
i have to admit that was a lot clearer than your previous posts, except do you mean that twilight knife reduces spell frequency aside from through tp drain?
@laeticia
you do realise that many of the reaving winds were brought about without it hitting you or you hitting it right?
tarolin said:
If you beat the nm does it really matter who is wrong or right as long as you beat the nm @.@ also every player plays diffrent and make rough decisions based on there play then base there normal play against the foes play then adjust. To be honest no one person plays out a nm fight the same second by second.
If you're arguing efficiency or whatever, it matters. For every fight there's a better way of doing it, and a not-so good way of doing it.
what does the actual tp feeding have anything to do with its "tp move" frequency in relation to spell casting frequency. why would it matter if it used tp at 150, or 200. according to her, it would do x amount of tp move, then x amount of silencega in some pattern that i cant invent. she mentioned nothing about amount of tp gained per tp move. also has anyone heard of aspiring a mob makes it cast less often? never heard anything like that. (obviously not considering aspiring it to 0 mp)
tarolin said:
again does it really matter how you beat it as long as you beat it and have fun ^_^
its a game! lol
its a game! lol
We play the game to do it right, not to have fun. Sheesh. D:<
I know but it must be stressed that a game is for fun , it almost sounds like work when people put it like that lol
tarolin said:
If you beat the nm does it really matter who is wrong or right as long as you beat the nm @.@ also every player plays diffrent and make rough decisions based on there play then base there normal play against the foes play then adjust. To be honest no one person plays out a nm fight the same second by second.
tarolin said:
it almost sounds like work when people put it like that lol
Pretty much
and anyways i think the best players are the players having the fun as usually the players that leave are the players that are not =P
Leviathan.Niniann said:
Ramuh.Lorzy said:
it has nothing to do with your attitude. the only thing that had to do with your attitude was that people were a little harsher about the evasion thing, and that was a while back now.
honestly, though, if i were to test it i would probably try to do it while feeding minimal tp. like i said earlier, it's hard to take everything into account when telling someone else what you did in a fight, so i don't know if you were testing with varying amounts of tp feed.
honestly, though, if i were to test it i would probably try to do it while feeding minimal tp. like i said earlier, it's hard to take everything into account when telling someone else what you did in a fight, so i don't know if you were testing with varying amounts of tp feed.
This, etc.
My opinion on the matter (like I said I don't know who's right because I've never fought the mob) is that since that particular mob is from *that*(*** you Scylla) patch, it very well could have a weird casting pattern somehow relating to TP move frequency.
However, it's not really going to be all that easy to prove either way unless you(or Yuna) give Lorzy and I a bunch of samples with varying amounts of TP feeding(differing amounts of SB etc) and other stuff I'm sure neither of you want to do just(but hey if you want to I'm not stopping you...) to prove that you're right(or wrong). Especially given that I'm sure that neither Lorzy or I care all that much about some outdated-content monster that doesn't drop anything of particular interest. D:
Laeticia said:
the principle matters, she made up a pattern that no one else sees and wont give up saying it exists.
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what does the actual tp feeding have anything to do with its "tp move" frequency in relation to spell casting frequency. why would it matter if it used tp at 150, or 200. according to her, it would do x amount of tp move, then x amount of silencega in some pattern that i cant invent. she mentioned nothing about amount of tp gained per tp move. also has anyone heard of aspiring a mob makes it cast less often? never heard anything like that. (obviously not considering aspiring it to 0 mp)
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i gave you evidence every move in order, as detailed as i could be, and you gave me "i see a pattern i just wont explain it".
so if we had a rdm chainspell aspir a mob, it would never cast or? or 18 dncs all doing aspir samba? where did you get that info?
also to your comment about reaving wind happening regardless of tp gain... well its a tp move. so either the mob has regain (possibly?) or it doesnt, i fought it on firesday, so in case it was like erucas having regain on firesday, and puks on windsday, fire is definitely not this monster's element. so no, unless it has kirin-like regain, it could not just do reaving winds without gaining tp. and for the sake of argument, even if that was true, there still is no pattern lol.
so if we had a rdm chainspell aspir a mob, it would never cast or? or 18 dncs all doing aspir samba? where did you get that info?
also to your comment about reaving wind happening regardless of tp gain... well its a tp move. so either the mob has regain (possibly?) or it doesnt, i fought it on firesday, so in case it was like erucas having regain on firesday, and puks on windsday, fire is definitely not this monster's element. so no, unless it has kirin-like regain, it could not just do reaving winds without gaining tp. and for the sake of argument, even if that was true, there still is no pattern lol.
Laeticia said:
what does the actual tp feeding have anything to do with its "tp move" frequency in relation to spell casting frequency. why would it matter if it used tp at 150, or 200. according to her, it would do x amount of tp move, then x amount of silencega in some pattern that i cant invent. she mentioned nothing about amount of tp gained per tp move. also has anyone heard of aspiring a mob makes it cast less often? never heard anything like that. (obviously not considering aspiring it to 0 mp)
and yeah you should take an in depth look at how twilight dagger works
yes lorzy and i gave FREQUENCY not just pattern. which ive also disproven whatever theory that was, at least 3x. you can reiterate wrong things over and over, doesnt make it any better really. there is no pattern and no relation to spell vs tp move frequency. 1 v 2 v 3 v 4, all in different orders. (except the reaving > calam at low hp yadda yadda).
Asura.Yunalaysca said:
Ramuh.Lorzy said:
Asura.Yunalaysca said:
Ramuh.Lorzy said:
i have to admit that was a lot clearer than your previous posts, except do you mean that twilight knife reduces spell frequency aside from through tp drain?
and mobs can run out of mp, certainly normal mobs can, and i think an old strategy for soloing suzaku involved making it run out of mp before chainspell.
Laeticia said:
i gave you evidence every move in order, as detailed as i could be, and you gave me "i see a pattern i just wont explain it".
so if we had a rdm chainspell aspir a mob, it would never cast or? or 18 dncs all doing aspir samba? where did you get that info?
also to your comment about reaving wind happening regardless of tp gain... well its a tp move. so either the mob has regain (possibly?) or it doesnt, i fought it on firesday, so in case it was like erucas having regain on firesday, and puks on windsday, fire is definitely not this monster's element. so no, unless it has kirin-like regain, it could not just do reaving winds without gaining tp. and for the sake of argument, even if that was true, there still is no pattern lol.
so if we had a rdm chainspell aspir a mob, it would never cast or? or 18 dncs all doing aspir samba? where did you get that info?
also to your comment about reaving wind happening regardless of tp gain... well its a tp move. so either the mob has regain (possibly?) or it doesnt, i fought it on firesday, so in case it was like erucas having regain on firesday, and puks on windsday, fire is definitely not this monster's element. so no, unless it has kirin-like regain, it could not just do reaving winds without gaining tp. and for the sake of argument, even if that was true, there still is no pattern lol.
oh twilight knife must be another fact that has no evidence. theres tons of different ways to take mp, many similar to twilight knife. samba, and aspir knife, and plenty of other obscure weapons as one, and spells and abilities. how come this is the first anyone has heard of it, and no mention on wikipedia about any of this?
what i find funny is lorzy is so eager to jump on this jibberish because yuna said it, even though he's never heard of it himself. but i give a list of every tp move and spell a mob does, and somehow i did it wrong. did not put words in your mouth, must i go back and quote 5 different posts?
what i find funny is lorzy is so eager to jump on this jibberish because yuna said it, even though he's never heard of it himself. but i give a list of every tp move and spell a mob does, and somehow i did it wrong. did not put words in your mouth, must i go back and quote 5 different posts?
Laeticia said:
yes lorzy and i gave FREQUENCY not just pattern. which ive also disproven whatever theory that was, at least 3x. you can reiterate wrong things over and over, doesnt make it any better really. there is no pattern and no relation to spell vs tp move frequency. 1 v 2 v 3 v 4, all in different orders. (except the reaving > calam at low hp yadda yadda).
k anyways, best you got is "no lol" im done here. you are unable to lose pride on the internet by admitting being wrong or something. they all see you are wrong but wont say it, or they are idiots/smart but unable to see patterns/lack of them. now we are all to believe stealing mobs mp 1-8 at a time delays their casting or something. yeah this is not worth it anymore. ive provided details you provide "it just is". later
Laeticia said:
yes lorzy and i gave FREQUENCY not just pattern. which ive also disproven whatever theory that was, at least 3x. you can reiterate wrong things over and over, doesnt make it any better really. there is no pattern and no relation to spell vs tp move frequency. 1 v 2 v 3 v 4, all in different orders. (except the reaving > calam at low hp yadda yadda).
Laeticia said:
oh twilight knife must be another fact that has no evidence. theres tons of different ways to take mp, many similar to twilight knife. samba, and aspir knife, and plenty of other obscure weapons as one, and spells and abilities. how come this is the first anyone has heard of it, and no mention on wikipedia about any of this?
what i find funny is lorzy is so eager to jump on this jibberish because yuna said it, even though he's never heard of it himself. but i give a list of every tp move and spell a mob does, and somehow i did it wrong. did not put words in your mouth, must i go back and quote 5 different posts?
what i find funny is lorzy is so eager to jump on this jibberish because yuna said it, even though he's never heard of it himself. but i give a list of every tp move and spell a mob does, and somehow i did it wrong. did not put words in your mouth, must i go back and quote 5 different posts?
i dont know lorzy, and im pretty sure he doesnt know me, sooooooooo i guess you are just playing the unpopular card. something something they dont like me so they will disagree with me.
you realize frequency is a count in relation to another variable, not necessarily time? its a graph of silencega vs tp move. time is irrelevent as you only mentioned tp move frequency, therefore that being the independant variable. you are comparing silencega vs tp move, period. yeah i dont need to teach 5th grade math today. good luck lol.
Laeticia said:
k anyways, best you got is "no lol" im done here. you are unable to lose pride on the internet by admitting being wrong or something. they all see you are wrong but wont say it, or they are idiots/smart but unable to see patterns/lack of them. now we are all to believe stealing mobs mp 1-8 at a time delays their casting or something. yeah this is not worth it anymore. ive provided details you provide "it just is". later
Laeticia said:
oh twilight knife must be another fact that has no evidence. theres tons of different ways to take mp, many similar to twilight knife. samba, and aspir knife, and plenty of other obscure weapons as one, and spells and abilities. how come this is the first anyone has heard of it, and no mention on wikipedia about any of this?
what i find funny is lorzy is so eager to jump on this jibberish because yuna said it, even though he's never heard of it himself. but i give a list of every tp move and spell a mob does, and somehow i did it wrong. did not put words in your mouth, must i go back and quote 5 different posts?
what i find funny is lorzy is so eager to jump on this jibberish because yuna said it, even though he's never heard of it himself. but i give a list of every tp move and spell a mob does, and somehow i did it wrong. did not put words in your mouth, must i go back and quote 5 different posts?
what i do know is you seem to be insisting that yuna means something that she's already tried to clear up. and i've tried to clear it up too. but you're not listening.
what i'm saying is i don't know who's right, but your testing does not disprove what yuna is saying. this is because what you THINK yuna is saying, and what yuna IS saying, are two different things.
weird you keep dodging the aspir (or aspir like abilities/effects) making mobs cast less often thing. well goodnight
Laeticia said:
you realize frequency is a count in relation to another variable, not necessarily time? its a graph of silencega vs tp move. time is irrelevent as you only mentioned tp move frequency, therefore that being the independant variable. you are comparing silencega vs tp move, period. yeah i dont need to teach 5th grade math today. good luck lol.
hope that made things easier to understand.
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