Super Soloing!

um, i asked a question, he answered (with "duh"). i didnt imply that i knew it, and i also said after that i did not know it. all of that is clear. holy crap i did not know 1 single game statistic, either A) you know every single game statistic and that is sad, or B) you dont know 1 single statistic and i should keep bringing it up non-stop. apparently the definition of a "noob" not knowing 1 statistic exactly. yes it is a common one, but i thought it was around 10%, holy ***stop the presses.

edit: closed parentheses

exactly why i posted as i had

welp no one understood and possibly still doesnt understand silencega isnt a tp move. yes it ALSO does a silence aoe tp move called storm wing or whatever. so yes i had to make the distinction between a greater amphiptere (does tp move aoe silence) and zirnitra, which does both spell and tp move. can silence you regardless of tp gain, subtle blow, hitting you as /whm and so on.

You posted...


Which, perhaps because of the lack of punctuation and how you sounded in your previous posts, the way *I* interpreted it, and I'm assuming Yuna too given the response, was something like...

"So you're saying player evasion caps at 80% even vs wild rabbits? What are you HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE?"

So of course I replied the way I did.

I'm not claiming I know everything, but if I don't know I'm not going to act like I do, I'm going to say something to the effect of, "I'm not sure but..." ask someone who would know (I know a few people who would), look it up, etc.

Of course Silencega isn't a TP move. No one ever said it was. What Yuna was arguing was that there's a pattern, and I'm assuming the pattern is something to the effect of Zinitra uses a TP move, and then and only then will it cast Silencega. I cannot confirm or deny this, but it was in no way said that it was a TP move.

to nin:

context was "so you are saying that even vs a wild rabbit, evasion caps at 20%" if you look at the part you quoted and dont assume bad attitude, it is just a question.

yun

"it" meaning? soloing with a SJ completely fine of which you dont approve, when you say strategy/tactics is more important than sj? or it meaning the explanation of tp move vs spell, over and over? i cant explain that part any more clearly.

edit: ah, ninja post delete

I get that now, but that's not how I initially read it, lol.

your attitude during this whole conversation or rather at the start of it was pretty bad, so that was to be expected.


im all for diferent sj uses but, when you have no tact at all or lack of knowledge thereof you are going to have very unfavorable replies, so yes "you still did it wrong" the game isnt always about flinging yourself at the mob and hope for the best thinking that your low *** bar spell is going to save you.

if i must...


WINDS (not spells) have a pattern


me pointing out that it is silencega the spell


him/her not understanding im getting silenced/shadows cleared regardless of tp gain/being hit/subtle blow (or twilight dagger)


now apparently adding silencega to the pattern, which was clearly stated as winds only in a previous quote. so that was changed to make me wrong, or mistakenly stated to begin with, which is fine idc. but this which makes no sense anyways as it silencegas me regardless of gaining tp, making a tp <-> silence only pattern impossible. even if it does tp => silencega, it can silencega without tp.


so yes i was getting frustrated that this point wasnt getting across. if i claim the mob then turn around and never get hit or never hit it, it will cast silencega stripping shadows. so people saying zomg you lose shadows because you have no subtle blow, was annoying. lorzy seemed to understand and "be on my side" until i argued with his ls mate yarly, then he turned quickly lol.

anyways, someone solo something cool and end this convo

food for thought: you say shadows are pointless, the damage you take from his melee attacks are minimal. but are you aware that when he hits you he is also building tp, thus increasing his TP frequency making the fight unnessecarily difficult. and to re-iterate as niniann has mentioned, subtle blow doesnt affect his spell usage, but his pattern does, you increase his tp frequency you will also increase his spell usage. perhaps that's another game mechanic you dont know.

also your attitude is what is "turning" people.

i wasn't really on anyone's side tbh.

you seem to think we care about whether you knew the evasion cap more than we actually do. the fact is, if you hadn't mentioned the greater amphiptere stuff to begin with, nobody would have given a ***. i was not "on your side" when i said yuna read it wrong; i was just saying that i thought yuna read it wrong.

when you mention a fight, do you always account for absolutely everything? i agree that it shouldn't have been said as though it were obvious from the previous post, because you're right; it wasn't mentioned. but it was NOT stated that ONLY winds were the pattern; rather it was ONLY stated that winds were the pattern. maybe that's what you meant, but it wasn't worded correctly if that's the case.

when yuna says he doesn't do it randomly and that it follows the patterns, that's adding to it yes. but it's not really mistaken, it's just that something was left out, probably because either forgot or unimportant.

so then we come down to whether silencega actually follows a pattern or not. and really, this is just yours and yuna's words against each other, because niniann has already stated that she doesn't know, and i don't know either. but you seemed to misunderstand earlier the point that yuna seemed to be making, which was why niniann tried to clear that up for you.

edit: i argue whatever i think is right. i like niniann, but if i think she's wrong or hasn't considered something, i mention it. so i mentioned the silencega thing, and i mentioned that it's hard to eyeball an 80% evade rate.

edit 2: i know niniann wasn't the one who mentioned silencega, it was an example that happens to be in a bad place D:



also, good job to both of you for soloing it.

/nod i was originally including storm wing, but i do mean it in a broader aspect that twilight knife reduces enemy spell frequency as well as how tp frequency affects spell frequency.

What Lorzy said.

Edit: ilu2Lorzy

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cheating on me? :( </3

k pulled zirnitra now as dnc/nin to see this pattern. did silencega without hitting me once and without me hitting once. after the first silencega i punched it to damage without killing too fast, just to feed it tp. here is exactly what happened in order:

silencega on pull, approx 30 sec after (with no tp gained)
reaving wind
silencega (SPELL)
reaving wind
storm wing (silence aoe tp move NOT spell)
silencega
reaving wind (immediately after silencega, thought possibly pattern)
reaving wind
storm wing
silencega
reaving wind
reaving wind
reaving wind
silencega -> started using daggers again
reaving wind
calamatous wind
warped wall
bloody beak
silencega
--- low hp pattern of reaving/calams
reaving wind x 2
calamatous wind x 2
warped wall
silencega
bloody beak
it died

silencega was completely irrelevent to any tp move, as it used at various "times" after or before tp moves, and after and before various ones. there is no pattern at all UNTIL low hp when he spams reavins back to back, then same # of calam winds back to back (as stated by wiki, and myself)

you were right about avoiding calam wing AFTER reaving, at low hp, in the pattern i had mentioned in my 2nd post on the topic. silencega is not in the pattern at all in the fight, nor is any other tp move besides the reaving/calam spam at the end. unless i am missing something.

yes i do not use windower, so it is not a screenshot. if you dont believe me you can go pull it and see for yourself. it will silencega with 0 tp gained, and silencega randomly throughout, regardless of tp or tp move used.

; -; I LOVE YOU BOTH

@Laet

It'd be easier to tell if it were a pattern or not if you had windower to see the timestamps, I know not an option etc. I don't even know what the pattern was specifically to confirm or deny.

you are missing the point once again that i have tiredly tried to explain to you, his spell frequency is adjusted by his tp frequency. the more often it tp's the more often he will cast. and once again do i have to bring up twilight knife? you narrowly focus on one thing and neglect the broader aspect of what is being explained to you.


edit: going over your list and what you previously said, you yourself just proved that he does NOT spam silencega. the end, im glad you can finally see it with your own eyes.

you are wrong, look at the list. he did silencega with 1 tp move in between. then silencega with 3 tp moves in between, then 4, then even 5 (but i dont count the 5 one as it is the reaving/calam pattern), however it is still technically an argument. timestamp itself does not matter, as she keeps bringing up that it is based on tp move, which is independant of time, just tp gain. i really cant do anymore than this. this is proof (minus screenshot) there is no pattern. use your windower and do it yourself lol.

i have to admit that was a lot clearer than your previous posts, except do you mean that twilight knife reduces spell frequency aside from through tp drain?

i mean i fought the mob with your suggested sub, and beat on it with fists and ate a million echos (to keep shadows up to control tp gain) just to do exactly what you said. so yes i cant do more than this lol.

rather than a specific pattern as i think we all thought yuna meant, it seems like it's more of a general statement (which yuna said before but i didn't quite understand) in that the more often it uses a tp move, the more often in general it will cast (which was mentioned in the last post).

im sorry if i implied that it is part of an exact pattern, i was explaining cast frequency along with his tp frequency.


through mp drain rather, even if you have 0 mp, you still drain his mp, when you drain a mob's mp you restrain it's spell cast rate.

yep and that is proven wrong too by frequency of spells vs tp moves. i get you want to defend her and prove me wrong because of my attitude, but this is just sad. silencega had nothing to do with it using tp or which tp moves it did, or how many it did.... jesus

if you cant count/compare 1 vs 3 vs 4 vs 5, i guess theres nothing more to be said

you are neglecting the fact that many of those reaving winds had little to do with the tp you fed it, but merely following a pattern from the first reaving wind which is stated on the wiki which you had previously mentioned.

it has nothing to do with your attitude. the only thing that had to do with your attitude was that people were a little harsher about the evasion thing, and that was a while back now.

honestly, though, if i were to test it i would probably try to do it while feeding minimal tp. like i said earlier, it's hard to take everything into account when telling someone else what you did in a fight, so i don't know if you were testing with varying amounts of tp feed.

edit: regardless of your methods, i appreciate your efforts. and if you missed it earlier, i did congratulate you on your solo.

really? i figured you meant something along those lines, since it'd be kind of strange to mention it otherwise since i don't think you'd drain all of its mp before killing it. but didn't know that was the case. interesting.