Aggro Parry

So I'm into parry skilling so i thought I'd try something new and easier out. I aggro a Korrigan then run to the tunnel and draw my weapon on a Processionaire that's a lil ways back, so it doesn't aggro me. I place the mandy between the crawler and me and face it so parry procs. I do this so my healer mule can cure me free of hate and I never am in any danger of dying, and so far so good. The problem is I've procs hundreds and hundreds of parrys, but I haven't gotten a single skill up yet. (Yes I know how slow they are to get anyways. So my question to you is... can you get parry skills on something you (or your party) have no hate on. I've only been trying this a short while so I'll give it some more go. If you can't no biggie back to where I was, but if you can, man-o-man. Get a few support job friends and have them buff your DEF and regen like mad. Then aggro like 5 mandys and woot that'd rock.

lmao! that's awesome. i'm not sure what you mean about the skill up from something you don't have hate on though? if you don't have any hate from the mob why would it attack you?

but i am always up for ideas on how to skill up parrying :] just got to 190 the other day.

yes you can get skill ups. Parry is just balls to skill like Guard/Shield. The thing is your proc rate is dependent on your skill, and your skill compared to your current cap (or so it feels to me).

So the further you are behind the harder it is to get skill till you get closer to your cap.

For guard skill most people say get to 150~ then start using Chigoes, which is really what I'd say with something like parry. Stick with Crabs / Colibri till about 150 then start looking at fast light hitting mobs to get you going from there.

I mean you try to skill off a mob that just aggros you, in this case by sound. walk up w/o sneak on and let it come after you, then pull it to camp and go at it. And yea I'm always looking for a better way I'm 231 and hating it lol. Personally I think 2 hand weapons skill faster, I skilled like mad lvling DRG from 60 > 75 solo. Now that I'm past DRG's cap I'm doing it as NIN/DNC and it's much slower.

Areis cool thanks. I'll try it some more. My proc rate is great as I use a lot of parry skill + gear since the more you proc the more you skill. I'm at 273 with gear. Crabs in the tree normally give good skills, just figured I'd try the mandys since they double attack often and hit weaker. Makes my Brd helpers Paeon keep me alive solo almost.

does parry skill+ gear really help you skill more? i was kind of thinking it was the opposite... im at 191 and it really sucks lol.

It does seem to help out a lot. Since you need to proc to skill you should get it up there a bit. I try to use all the parry skill gear I can and the least evasion gear I can. Though I still use boxer's mantle since the stats are even with each other. But it all just depends on the lvl of the mob you're skill on and what your current parry skill is.

lol in the background I'm skilling parry right now and I'm going back and forth as I type and fight. Just got a skill. .4 in 2 hours.

If your trying to get the last few bits yeah your going to have a long road ahead of you to finish out.
0~150/200 TW~EP type mobs at 75 (Kuftal / Vunkerl Inlet [S] / Colibri / Upper D. Tower)
180~250 EM type mobs at 75 (Upper level Boyohada is most popular)
250+ T level mobs to 75. you can get points from lower level mobs your skill is really above theirs and rates will suffer.

If you can solo Greater Colibri Pied that would probably be your best source of skill. The other option would be to actually find a group of friends who want to do some old school meriting in sky / Ro'Meave. Weapons & Golems should all be T/VT and tanking those on your Nin should work for skills.

side note: i have no clue what skill level your at compared to caps on what jobs. If i put on parry+ gear i get near +34? i think on my Drg something like that.

and on the note about parry+ helping: yes it does. It increases the rate at which you can parry, thereby giving you more chances TO parry. now how much does it help? well look at it on a piece by piece basis don't give up everything for parry+ but don't just overlook it.

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I just know people are going to rate me down for this, but

Parry and Guard skills are next to useless. Reason being, is because in order for them to actually proc, you need to fail an evasion check first.

Almost any job can stack enough EVA to evade a substantial amount of attacks to keep shadows up on NIN or /NIN. And that's a fact.

I suppose technically, capped skill does help for that 5% of the time where you get unlucky TP moves wiping shadows and both recasts are down, but those situations are few and far between.

If you want to skill your guard or parry, be my guest. I'm just saying, it would be much more beneficial to just go the EVA route instead of worrying about Parry gear, which is a lot harder to procure and less reliable once you have it capped.

I certainly hope you're kidding.

225+95 EVA or 225+45 Parrying.

Do the math, then tell me which one is better.

To answer you're question, you need no direct claim on a mob to skill up.

As far as obtaining skill-ups. Adding+ skill can either hurt, or help you. It will help you, as you'll do it more often, therefore giving more opportunities to skill-up. However turnside is, it will raise your skill, so high, that you will no longer obtain a skill-up, because whatever you're fighting, may cap out at.. let's say 190, and if you're skill is 185+4(189) You'll gain skill-ups as if you're skill was 189, which as we know, the closer to the cap you are, can hinder the odds of a skill-up occurring. (Like crafting.)

In a rough example,
The best way to utilize + skill gear is sort of like this...
current skill is... 155 mob caps you at.. 170
you'd want to add something like +5~10 to make your overall skill 160~165, to get you close enough to get prime skill ups. Being too far from the cap can hinder a parry even happening, or it can be too large of a gap for a skill-up to occur.

Then lets say your base reaches 165 on the skill(If you added +4, you'd be overall 169), then remove the + gear, to lower back into a good enough gap.

To find which mobs you'd want to cap the skill against. Take the job skill as if it was A+ then find mobs, that you'd exp at around the level of that A+. For example, skill lv 100 A+ people exp on those around 30~35. So take the skill to that exp area to attempt to skill it up.

Hopefully this can help, and its not a tl;dr. :X

Idk, I parry fairly often. If you guys aren't in support of lvling it. Then go bother someone who agrees with you. I'm personally looking for advice, not skeptics. I have had luck tanking golems in sky as my PLD. Got a few skillups there. But I was with my sky ls. Not a group of friends. And thank you for the info Galvaya. It was helpful.

same could be said for +parry.

The truth is, no PLD is seen without NIN sub in endgame nowadays. Seriously, none.

How much benefit does HP, VIT, DEF, etc give when you're evading all the attacks, again?

what i THINK ent tried to say is dont go out of your way to cap parry, just let it skill up on its own, but make sure your evasion is capped. evasion is much more important. anyway if you're a paladin you're most likely getting hit anyway so +shield skill ftw

I've had 269 base parry for about a year (Capped on all jobs). Yeah its noticable, but like stated before.. since you have to fail an evasion check, not really worth the hassle.. I never tried skilling it up, just played ninja an insane amount. Meritting / Limbus are great ways to skill up w/o feeling like you're wasting time. Pecking furry and 4hit mamool moves help alot w/ skill ups.

I wouldn't reccomend going out of your way and spending time to cap it out, unless you're amazingly bored. Like I said, I never went out of my way to skill it.. and still reached cap.

I still focus on evasion, since alot of evasion gear is paired w/ other beneficial stats (Accuracy).

*This is all more along the lines of non pld jobs, i.e. Ninja, Samurai, etc..*

This is all outside my point, since PLD is one of those jobs that shouldn't be concerned about either EVA or Parry unless they have no better options, but the whole point of EVA is that Triple Attack doesn't WIPE shadows because their attacks are missing. Same with TP moves.

And I'd certainly hope any damaging -ga spells are stunned if you're doing anything with a full alliance.

I have to do /WAR sometimes for farming sky. And I think for tanking dynamis? I don't remember it's been a little while.

Evasion is so low on PLD... ;_; it's what 225? (SAM is at least 256 I believe)

having Shield skill, Evasion skill, and Parrying skill just lower the chances of not taking damage or mitigating a better majority of it.

I think stacking HP is great for better chances of not being 1-shotted off of some of the hard hitting moves that kirin has among other things. Defense is of course to lower all around physical damage taken :) VIT from what I hear is not nearly as important to stack as it was while lvling PLD. Because at some point the benefit of Def+ outweighs Vit+

EDIT: woops posted this after you two did. My bad. if anything was already responded to please ignore it. I am just bringing up ideas.

I say, once you have a decent hp,def,enmity setup whats it going to hurt to sacrifice 4 defense, hp or w/e for however much more parrying/evasion?

My example would be boxer's mantle mostly. And you could macro in maybe the relic back piece or something for enmity.

Fact is, in order to skill up parry,or shield for that matter, having anything else absorb an attack will hurt. The only skill that this doesn't effect is evasion.

The more evasion you have..the more you'll dodge an attack, instead of parry.

Shadows..absorbs an attack, lowers parry chance, or an evasion chance at skillups.

Shield procs, negates a parry chance.

HOWEVER~~~ I've personally noticed, that I parry more during the casting of a spell. And this is just me. But perhaps casting magic casing increases the odds of a parry happening. Idk, too lazy to go load wiki. When I try to skill it up, I go /blu or /rdm and just spam magic when I have hate.

Another note, when I leveled thief, I had horrible evasion skill-ups when I pulled with shadows on. I started going /nin so people thought I'd use shadows, but in reality I didn't cast utsu, and got good amounts of skillups when I meat tanked the pull. Kept it capped to 75,

I think you can parry or evade and it doesn't use up shadows... not positive. So that shouldn't lower the chance of those skilling up.

Though I do agree that PLD shouldn't be gearing for either EVA or Parrying exclusively, you're still underestimating Evasion.

Just doing some simple math, a LV88 NM (Byakko, for instance) would have ~340 ACC, give or take. (Not based on facts, but based on a most-logical estimate) If you could get 340 EVA (Again, not recommending a PLD do this, though it's more than possible), that's a ~48% evade rate.

225 base skill
8 in merits
34 skill in gear
59 EVA+ gear

=327, not counting AGI, which will give another 30-40 more, so 357 overall. Again, there's more to the formula than that but I'm just making it simple.

357 EVA compared to 340 ACC is a 57~60% evade rate. And that's just what PLD is capable of, without Mambos or whatever.