FFXI News During 14 Live Stream

They added new music

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FFXIV has the lodestone website that shows stats for ALL characters, plenty have scraped the active "character" numbers on there across different sites and it's always between 500k and 800k (up and down between expansions). Keep in mind this isn't even actual players, but just characters with meaningful progression on them and unlike ff11 every account gets multiple free alts.

Also, to do some math (I suck at math but lets have a go)

FFXIV has 32 JP only servers, 24 NA servers and 12 EU servers for all platforms combined. (36 western servers total).

That is a total of 68 regional servers.

To be really, really generous you could say they have 15k active players per server (they don't since even new servers cannot handle these kinds of numbers of concurrent players, but lets say they can).

15k x 68 servers = just over 1m MAX population allowance with current server tech (1020000).

If ff14 had 25? million players as they state in all the news articles, each server would have an active playerbase of 367 thousand players all online at once on a Sunday evening. That's totally impossible.

If ff14 had 5 million players, each server would have an active playerbase of 73k players. This is impossible too.

To be clear, every mmorpg is successful. Because if they were not, they would not be running. I'm just pointing out it's not the behemoth they pretend it is and the massive monetization they employ is partly to cover for the fact in financial reports that they don't have anywhere near as many players as they make out they do.

Is ff14 bigger and more profitable than ff11, of course and I should not have to point out why. It's a far more casual game, with a cash shop and sub.

Nobody can deny XIV being popular(exact numbers aside for now). But for some people here popular = good, while that is false.
XIV certainly has lots of good elements like music, story, graphics etc. The "endgame" side however is joke. Every Savage raid is a choreography where you learn a dance by heart, no skills required at all.
This is why XI veterans mainly dislike XIV since it is made for the "mainstream people" who wants fast gains with minimal effort and lots of shinies (buyable Mog Station crap), and why every server's Limsa zone is filled with the filthiest people on the planet.
As someone who played both I understand both sides but for XI veterans who try/play XIV the main issue is: it is far too easy for any feeling of "achievement" (as much as you can have in a game).
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Gil is useless, I still have 750 mill on my char after buying my entire ward for FC members and buying every mount on MB for my members you can possibly waste gil on. If you farm one gearset you are done gearing like 5 jobs for the next year, you lose your house if you don't login enough (I lost both my mansions since returning to XI, not that I care anymore)
etc etc

Tl;dr: XIV has some good things going for it but alot of big nopes for XI veterans who are used to bigger challenges than "take 3 steps left, turn around, 30 seconds later face right, win".

People are allowed to not enjoy the more active hotkey based combat style or action combat of other MMOs, but it is pitiful to decry them as "not good" just because you don't like it. There is clear as day evidence that more than enough people do in fact like it, making the entire argument moot to begin with.

tl;dr Not liking XIV is fine, but trying to say the game is bad, Yoshida is a villain, or other such nonsense just because the small dedicated group of diehard FFXI addicts who still frequent FFXIAH think that it's bad is hilarious, and really sad.

This idea that FFXIV is growing in leaps and bounds isn't accurate, and trying to support it by turning FFXI into a straw man isn't convincing.

and the amount of content is worlds apart.

However, when people start to say FFXIV is comparable to WoW in subscriptions, depth, etc.. that is just not believable. Even the best estimates give FFXIV less than a quarter as many subscriptions, and the amount of content is worlds apart. There's an extremely visible astroturfing effort by SE, and they are commissioning an insane amount of paid articles and faux-organic advertising. This idea that FFXIV is growing in leaps and bounds isn't accurate, and trying to support it by turning FFXI into a straw man isn't convincing.

(͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) oh my

Saying FFXIV isn't growing is just nonsense.

How can a game grow without constantly adding new servers?

News flash, they've added new server hardware with every single expansion launch and just announced that they're adding more again to keep up with the number of new players.


If you don't even know that then I have to wonder how concrete your other information can really be! Hm...

He took a game that was a financial disaster on the brink of bankrupting SE and made it one of the most successful MMOs in history. We get it, you hate everything FFXIV related. But seriously, get over it

What you're doing is called mental gymnastics, if any of us tried to do what you're doing in relation to FFXI you would rightly say we are full of it.

You're full of it.

It's not growing at all, it has an incredibly high churn rate where most people who try it quit soon after. This is why they never have to add more servers.

Again, 14 has the lodestones that shows all characters and even based on character numbers it's not growing and the numbers go up and down between 500 to 800k players between expansions. They go up when an expansion is released and slowly start dropping to the lower amounts and this repeats over and over.

You don't like this because it goes against your world domination narrative, it's a fairy story.

My guy it is absolutely, factually verifiable that they've added server hardware and added new data centers to the game. I don't know what kind of delusion you've managed to cook up in your schizo brain but you're literally trying to tell me that things that are physically verifiable never happened. Get real.

LuckyBancho has perfectly acceptable and generous conditions to be counted as an active player. This is his last census back in April.
Obviously it won't count all the players subbing for 6 months and quitting before that, which are a big part of the "success".

SE will never ever give any active account numbers because they would have to admit that their game is not as successful as they pretend it is. Their ridiculous cash shop is sadly successful though. At least it's getting steady "content", unlike the real game.



Full link for those interested https://luckybancho.ldblog.jp/archives/55652337.html

He copied wow and mega monetized your bank account, that's what I said.

What other games has he made?

He copied wow and mega monetized your bank account, that's what I said.

What other games has he made?

FFXI copied Everquest, but you don't care about that, because it doesn't further your hate *** for FFXIV. I don't know who hurt you, but I'll repeat the same thing I've said 3 times now, we get you don't like FFXIV, you're the minority for a reason. Get. Over. It.

No one's emotional, it's just comical that you - someone who apparently has a reputation around here for constantly complaining about FFXIV in other threads - is spouting random bullcrap to anyone who will listen about a game you don't like. It's also funny you bring up being emotional when you're foaming at the mouth over SE reusing assets from FFXI in FFXIV. That's emotional.