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By Asura.Chendar 2023-02-02 08:12:09
Valefor.Prothescar said: »or someone missing a tp drain by a couple of seconds etc. This is so on point. Who knew hitting a button every 30sec could be so hard, huh? lol
On another note, does anyone have the BST help with dmg at all? Seems like a setup where BST dmg would actually be kinda decent and all you're really doing otherwise is hitting a macro every 30sec. Outside of when you have to refresh KI or if you're unleashing ofc.
On the other hand, another thing potentially getting in the way of actually pressing that button every 30 sec I guess... and if dmg output isn't really an issue anyway....
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By SimonSes 2023-02-02 08:48:22
Valefor.Prothescar said: »or someone missing a tp drain by a couple of seconds etc. This is so on point. Who knew hitting a button every 30sec could be so hard, huh? lol
On another note, does anyone have the BST help with dmg at all? Seems like a setup where BST dmg would actually be kinda decent and all you're really doing otherwise is hitting a macro every 30sec. Outside of when you have to refresh KI or if you're unleashing ofc.
On the other hand, another thing potentially getting in the way of actually pressing that button every 30 sec I guess... and if dmg output isn't really an issue anyway....
The problem is leech. It's squishy, because it's not ilvl119 pet. You dont want it to be hit by add AoE and you dont want it to be hit by Mboze aoe auto-attacks. You would need to I guess engage leech from other side of Mboze and tp on other side, but Im not sure if it would be safe there too and you would need to run to pet every time you want to do Ready and you are at rick of being paralyzed in the wrong moment too. I play BST at Mboze and I usually just stay out of range and run in for a sec to TP drainkiss and run away. That being said, COR could at least Tactician roll BST and then you could throw in one WS every minute. It's still something :)
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By Asura.Eiryl 2023-02-02 09:01:09
If it isn't being automated, even the simplest task, even one simple task is often too much for your average player.
Quite sad really. But that's where we're at. Expecting someone to focus on one (and only one) objective for 15 whole minutes is the hardest thing they'll ever do. That's like 30 whole tiktoks brah.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2023-02-02 09:19:38
Valefor.Prothescar said: »Asura.Clintbeastwood said: »Valefor.Prothescar said: »Keep in mind for SAM as well: Yaegasumi is ~40 seconds of significantly boosted WS dmg and practical invulnerability on Mboze since most of its moves are considered special attacks.
You're not wrong, but survivability outside Mboze using a 1-shot mechanic isn't much of an issue, so I don't really consider this a boon.
I know Yaegasumi is great, but I'm sorry, I just don't see 40 seconds of Yaeg making up for 5 minutes of party-wide warcry.
It's less about dmg taken and more about tp feed. It's either missing you or hitting for 0 dmg which means it's getting 0 tp for hitting you for the entire duration, regardless of cureskin efficiency.
I'm not about to claim with 100% certainty but I'd also be very surprised if 40s of 60% wsd added at the end of the WS dmg formula didn't come close to or beat even an entire fight worth of Warcry. It's nice to write on paper that you're "buffing 6 people at once" but you have to consider skill cap of an individual player and each player in a group, especially since most people aren't exactly running with all stars.
A) how many people in your group are properly taking advantage of Savagery?
B) is their weaponskill frequency high enough to get all 500tp from it to begin with throughout the entire fight?
C) how much damage are the "lesser" jobs actually getting out of the extra tp bonus? Lower average WS dmg from being weaker jobs, offensively, in addition to almost assuredly hitting the WS wall occasionally will impact this.
Not saving Warcry is bad, but I agree with Simon when he says it's being overvalued here. That's before considering a SAM or DRK's higher white damage and natural weaponskill frequency compared to a single wielding or, God forbid, 2handed WAR.
Not saying WAR is bad or even worse than the other two, btw. The ws frequency wouldn't change for dark as you still if what Simon theory is that people holding tp til 2200 your already losing tons of dps on drk at that point. If damage isn't an issue then drk still offers nothing more than soul enslavement which clearly 1000% isn't needed at all as clears are happening without drk. Not saying people are getting 10000% of the benefit of warcry but assuming people are getting the full benefit of absorb vit take off defense that doesn't even matter. Simon thinks warcry is being overvalued but thinks Scarlett is being undervalued when it has 0 value in this fight. Not saying you btw just saying in general if warcry is overvalued here then it's overvalued in most if these other fights. If the the 'lower' jobs are doing less ws then so is the drk as if he just spams ws his damage is gonna hit the ws wall. So the ws more thing is mute. You'd be holding tp just as long as the others I know this because when I did drk on a few of v25s the dmaage drop off for back to back to back torcleavers is noticeable.
Edit this is more so for you 3 marked points but it just wall text from cell but yes warcry is being overvalued as to help more people with damage which like you said doesn't super matter because mboze squishy.
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By Asura.Geriond 2023-02-02 09:34:03
DRK won't hit the WS wall if they're using Liberator and alternating between CR and Insurgency, which they should. TP denial Mboze makes basically all of Caladbolg's advantages over Liberator null (WS wall penalizes having a single primary WS, Torcleaver's 2-step easy SC does nothing, empy AM does nothing except during SP2, and you can afford to use a more fragile STP-focused set because Mboze doesn't hit hard with normal hits).
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By Asura.Clintbeastwood 2023-02-02 09:52:17
That's like 30 whole tiktoks brah.
lol.
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »Valefor.Prothescar said: »Asura.Clintbeastwood said: »Valefor.Prothescar said: »Keep in mind for SAM as well: Yaegasumi is ~40 seconds of significantly boosted WS dmg and practical invulnerability on Mboze since most of its moves are considered special attacks.
You're not wrong, but survivability outside Mboze using a 1-shot mechanic isn't much of an issue, so I don't really consider this a boon.
I know Yaegasumi is great, but I'm sorry, I just don't see 40 seconds of Yaeg making up for 5 minutes of party-wide warcry.
It's less about dmg taken and more about tp feed. It's either missing you or hitting for 0 dmg which means it's getting 0 tp for hitting you for the entire duration, regardless of cureskin efficiency.
I'm not about to claim with 100% certainty but I'd also be very surprised if 40s of 60% wsd added at the end of the WS dmg formula didn't come close to or beat even an entire fight worth of Warcry. It's nice to write on paper that you're "buffing 6 people at once" but you have to consider skill cap of an individual player and each player in a group, especially since most people aren't exactly running with all stars.
A) how many people in your group are properly taking advantage of Savagery?
B) is their weaponskill frequency high enough to get all 500tp from it to begin with throughout the entire fight?
C) how much damage are the "lesser" jobs actually getting out of the extra tp bonus? Lower average WS dmg from being weaker jobs, offensively, in addition to almost assuredly hitting the WS wall occasionally will impact this.
Not saving Warcry is bad, but I agree with Simon when he says it's being overvalued here. That's before considering a SAM or DRK's higher white damage and natural weaponskill frequency compared to a single wielding or, God forbid, 2handed WAR.
Not saying WAR is bad or even worse than the other two, btw. The ws frequency wouldn't change for dark as you still if what Simon theory is that people holding tp til 2200 your already losing tons of dps on drk at that point. If damage isn't an issue then drk still offers nothing more than soul enslavement which clearly 1000% isn't needed at all as clears are happening without drk. Not saying people are getting 10000% of the benefit of warcry but assuming people are getting the full benefit of absorb vit take off defense that doesn't even matter. Simon thinks warcry is being overvalued but thinks Scarlett is being undervalued when it has 0 value in this fight. Not saying you btw just saying in general if warcry is overvalued here then it's overvalued in most if these other fights. If the the 'lower' jobs are doing less ws then so is the drk as if he just spams ws his damage is gonna hit the ws wall. So the ws more thing is mute. You'd be holding tp just as long as the others I know this because when I did drk on a few of v25s the dmaage drop off for back to back to back torcleavers is noticeable.
Edit this is more so for you 3 marked points but it just wall text from cell but yes warcry is being overvalued as to help more people with damage which like you said doesn't super matter because mboze squishy.
(This is more of a general response to the convo, not necessarily to you personally JTT)
I think SAM has the juice to be in kill party. I think DRK does too. I would hope SE intended on multiple jobs being viable for the content. I like the idea of variety in v25 party comps. Mboze allows for more flexibility than something like Ongo, where I think that's a much more rigid and defined party list.
I also want to be clear that I see these kinds of debates as a "steel sharpens steel" opportunity; I'm not trying to shoot down or dissuade anyone from trying something different than what we did. I sincerely want to see how Simon or Proth do on SAM if they try it.
It's hard to debate which job is better when, afaik, only WAR has been in a kill group. When someone gets a clear with SAM or DRK or BLU (and I 100% believe it will happen if it hasn't already), then we can start splitting hairs about TP bonus efficiency and how much or how little party wide attack buffs are actually helping.
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By Asura.Clintbeastwood 2023-02-02 10:03:09
DRK won't hit the WS wall if they're using Liberator and alternating between CR and Insurgency, which they should. TP denial Mboze makes basically all of Caladbolg's advantages over Liberator null (WS wall penalizes having a single primary WS, Torcleaver's 2-step easy SC does nothing, empy AM does nothing except during SP2, and you can afford to use a more fragile STP-focused set because Mboze doesn't hit hard with normal hits).
Quietus was also doing really good dmg from our Redemption DRK. I know that's a tall order but it probably still does decent damage with Lib or even Anguta.
I agree with your overall sentiment too, I would much prefer scythe for this fight than Calad, simply because of lacking good WS options for GS outside Torcleaver.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2023-02-02 10:15:25
DRK won't hit the WS wall if they're using Liberator and alternating between CR and Insurgency, which they should. TP denial Mboze makes basically all of Caladbolg's advantages over Liberator null (WS wall penalizes having a single primary WS, Torcleaver's 2-step easy SC does nothing, empy AM does nothing except during SP2, and you can afford to use a more fragile STP-focused set because Mboze doesn't hit hard with normal hits). The problem with that is they brought up white damage from sam and drk so that means they talking emp weapons. Which was is my point you hit it on the head. On the second fight white damage should be null as you tanking so you'd he a set which while it's nice you holding tp is gonna more than likely slow the fight a bit. Think chief did it with lib drk I'd have to go back and look at the win him/lex posted. But ya lack of ws for drk would hurt a little for Caladbolg depending on slow or fast ws from others is going.
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By Asura.Iamaman 2023-02-02 10:38:40
I experimented a bit with different weapons during a Mboze v25 run, it's not across 15 runs or anything, but enough to get somewhat of a feel for it. I would alternate weapons during the fights (it was for RP so we weren't trying to clear), so it's the same buffs/debuffs/etc each time I'd try. I haven't put a ton of runs in it to really measure but I will when I get around to him.
I found that with Redemption, Cross Reaper was doing roughly the same damage as Torcleaver, although I tend to push to 2.5k TP with Redemption and aim more for 2k with Torcleaver. The white damage was better with Redemption, though, which is something I've noticed in every T3 fight I've had a chance to use it on (more at v20 though), obviously this is less of a benefit below 75% if you are TPing on the add.
I did use Quietus to break up the wall and the numbers I got were a bit surprising, they weren't far off from either Torcleaver or Cross Reaper. Quietus doesn't scale as high as Cross Reaper will, but the damage from it tends to be a lot more consistent.
Another perk is that you miss considerably less with it than you do Calad, Torcleaver whiffs a lot it seems, but I rarely miss any hits with Cross Reaper, Quietus will whiff more but anecdotally still less than Torcleaver against various mobs I've used it on.
By SimonSes 2023-02-02 14:50:23
Another perk is that you miss considerably less with it than you do Calad, Torcleaver whiffs a lot it seems, but I rarely miss any hits with Cross Reaper, Quietus will whiff more but anecdotally still less than Torcleaver against various mobs I've used it on
Well Cross will completely miss less because its 2hit WS, but Torc and Quietus will miss the same. It's just a feeling that Torc miss more, because you probably do more Torcleavers in general, so you notice more misses.
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By Asura.Sechs 2023-02-03 01:15:41
Dumb questions about Odyssey:
1) Anybody noticed a particular resistance to Addle II on Marmorkrebs? I managed to stick it... ONCE, out of I lost count of how many tries. Couldn't stick it even with Sabo Frazzle3 and Idris Focus+Languor up
2) I'm experiencing something strange when it comes to sticking Sleep/Sleep2 on the T1 and T2 V25 Oddyssey NMs Adds.
First of all there doesn't seem to be any difference between T1 and T2, it seems just as hard on either tier.
Second it seems that adding lots of macc doesn't change the stick rate. I could try with just my basic gear, or try with >90 macc from food, Sabo Frazzle3 up, Sabo up, Idris Geo (all of these together should provide a MASSIVE difference in macc) and it seems my landing rate of Sleep on these targets remains the same.
Is it just a bias of mine? Or is anybody else experiencing the same? Reposting this, looking for more input from other people who might or might not have experienced this.
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By SimonSes 2023-02-03 02:06:20
Dumb questions about Odyssey:
1) Anybody noticed a particular resistance to Addle II on Marmorkrebs? I managed to stick it... ONCE, out of I lost count of how many tries. Couldn't stick it even with Sabo Frazzle3 and Idris Focus+Languor up
2) I'm experiencing something strange when it comes to sticking Sleep/Sleep2 on the T1 and T2 V25 Oddyssey NMs Adds.
First of all there doesn't seem to be any difference between T1 and T2, it seems just as hard on either tier.
Second it seems that adding lots of macc doesn't change the stick rate. I could try with just my basic gear, or try with >90 macc from food, Sabo Frazzle3 up, Sabo up, Idris Geo (all of these together should provide a MASSIVE difference in macc) and it seems my landing rate of Sleep on these targets remains the same.
Is it just a bias of mine? Or is anybody else experiencing the same? Reposting this, looking for more input from other people who might or might not have experienced this.
There is not really a point to try to stick sleep. Just use bind and gravity.
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By Asura.Sechs 2023-02-03 02:24:39
It's not a matter of that being relevant or even necessary.
I just wanted to understand first if it's just a bias of mine or if even others experienced the same. And, if so, what's going on there.
It's clearly not a matter of the targets (adds) having too much Meva because I can land pretty much any other debuff on first cast even without macc buffs.
Also because, as I described before, the stick rate of sleep is very low regardless of my macc level (same stick rate even with a very big macc difference).
So what's going on there? Is it a matter of those targets having an innate and very strong "Resist sleep" trait?
Maybe... but shouldn't the resist from trait give a different chat message? Maybe not, maybe that happens only player-side and not monster-side.
I'm just curious to understand what's going on.
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By Asura.Pergatory 2023-02-03 13:07:04
Folks seem really focused on Warcry like it's the reason to bring a WAR to Mboze. From what I was seeing on our runs, the Warcry was nice and all, but Mighty Strikes was the real hero. Holy cow it's powerful with Ikenga's Axe. I feel like we went straight from 39% to 25% and if you get a Wildcard reset it'd be even stronger. So make sure to consider that when comparing it to DRK and SAM.
Burst damage like this is particularly beneficial in V25s, because the last 39% of the fight demands such a fast pace. SAM has Yaegasumi, but I think DRK will struggle in the last 39% despite maybe having a better overall pace before that. I'm curious to see what people are able to clear it with in the future!
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By Asura.Geriond 2023-02-03 13:15:24
Reposting this, looking for more input from other people who might or might not have experienced this. 1: Marmorkrebs is water-based, so fire-based Addle is very difficult to land, especially since you can't immunobreak it.
2: Odyssey NMs have the highest rank of sleep resist (separate from dark resist). This means that without Stymie, it's literally impossible to land without immunobreaks first, regardless of how much MACC you have. Regardless of your MACC, you'll need at least 1 +1 immunobreak, and chances will be low without ES until you've gotten 2 +1 immunobreaks. Their status resist is high enough that after a certain point MACC only affects immunobreak chance, and immunobreak chance seems to have a cap outside of RDM merits.
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By Asura.Sechs 2023-02-03 13:26:23
Ok, so it's a matter of Resist Sleep trait.
I guess that makes sense then and explains why even very large amounts of Macc seemed to make no difference at all in my landing rate of Sleep.
I thought the message from Resist traits was different compared to the one from Meva, but maybe that's only for players and not for monsters?
Thankfully Sleep is not really "vital" in most fights.
By SimonSes 2023-02-03 14:24:54
Ok, so it's a matter of Resist Sleep trait.
I guess that makes sense then and explains why even very large amounts of Macc seemed to make no difference at all in my landing rate of Sleep.
I thought the message from Resist traits was different compared to the one from Meva, but maybe that's only for players and not for monsters?
Thankfully Sleep is not really "vital" in most fights.
Its not resist trait that you think about. Its macc based still. It's special added meva against specific spell instead of straight immunity, so you can utilize Immonobreak mechanic.
EDIT: Actually maybe "meva" is wrong word here. It's basically a special mechanic made for Immunobreak. You still need high enough macc to proc Immunobreak and then to land a debuff, after enough Immunobreaks.
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By Asura.Clintbeastwood 2023-02-03 14:44:39
Folks seem really focused on Warcry like it's the reason to bring a WAR to Mboze. From what I was seeing on our runs, the Warcry was nice and all, but Mighty Strikes was the real hero. Holy cow it's powerful with Ikenga's Axe. I feel like we went straight from 39% to 25% and if you get a Wildcard reset it'd be even stronger. So make sure to consider that when comparing it to DRK and SAM.
Burst damage like this is particularly beneficial in V25s, because the last 39% of the fight demands such a fast pace. SAM has Yaegasumi, but I think DRK will struggle in the last 39% despite maybe having a better overall pace before that. I'm curious to see what people are able to clear it with in the future!
Warcry isn't -the- reason to bring a WAR, just one of them. If anything is being undervalued, I think it's Tomahawk. 1:45 of -30% resist dmg type that you can use every 3 minutes? Busted.
I agree with you though, Mighty Strikes probably the best 2 hour in the game. Certainly one of the most fun anyway.
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By Asura.Geriond 2023-02-03 15:10:16
I mean, -30% of -25% to slashing brings it from 75% to 82.5%. A 10% damage boost to the party for 1:30 (not 1:45) is quite nice, but it's not even close to busted.
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By SimonSes 2023-02-03 16:05:06
Folks seem really focused on Warcry like it's the reason to bring a WAR to Mboze. From what I was seeing on our runs, the Warcry was nice and all, but Mighty Strikes was the real hero. Holy cow it's powerful with Ikenga's Axe. I feel like we went straight from 39% to 25% and if you get a Wildcard reset it'd be even stronger. So make sure to consider that when comparing it to DRK and SAM.
I wouldn't say Soul Enslavement is worse than Might Strikes. Especially below 25%. It lets DRK switch to Mboze which adds lots of white damage and let you spam 2000+ TP WSs with amazing frequency. Also lets everyone else to spam WSs too. Potentially even BST could join and add WSs during Soul Enslavement (ofc everyone beside DRK still TPing on add). That party damage + white damage + higher frequency of 2000+TP WSs can easily rival MS even considering MS is 60 sec and SE 30. Also 39>25% is still safe, it's below 25% when you risk the most with just BST doing TP reset, so I wouldn't waste Mighty Strikes before 25% threshold.
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By Asura.Toralin 2023-02-03 16:24:21
I wouldn't say Soul Enslavement is worse than Might Strikes. Especially below 25%. It lets DRK switch to Mboze which adds lots of white damage and let you spam 2000+ TP WSs with amazing frequency. Also lets everyone else to spam WSs too. Potentially even BST could join and add WSs during Soul Enslavement (ofc everyone beside DRK still TPing on add). That party damage + white damage + higher frequency of 2000+TP WSs can easily rival MS even considering MS is 60 75 sec and SE 30. Also 39>25% is still safe, it's below 25% when you risk the most with just BST doing TP reset, so I wouldn't waste Mighty Strikes before 25% threshold.
probably safe to assume any warrior worth their axe has the enhance mighty strikes gloves
By Guyford 2023-02-03 16:29:02
No, mighty strikes is base 45 seconds and 60 WITH the relic hands...
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By Asura.Toralin 2023-02-03 17:17:14
No, mighty strikes is base 45 seconds and 60 WITH the relic hands... oh wow! thank you, clearly not deserving of my warrior axe :)
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By Asura.Hya 2023-02-03 18:57:31
Asura.Clintbeastwood said: »Folks seem really focused on Warcry like it's the reason to bring a WAR to Mboze. From what I was seeing on our runs, the Warcry was nice and all, but Mighty Strikes was the real hero. Holy cow it's powerful with Ikenga's Axe. I feel like we went straight from 39% to 25% and if you get a Wildcard reset it'd be even stronger. So make sure to consider that when comparing it to DRK and SAM.
Burst damage like this is particularly beneficial in V25s, because the last 39% of the fight demands such a fast pace. SAM has Yaegasumi, but I think DRK will struggle in the last 39% despite maybe having a better overall pace before that. I'm curious to see what people are able to clear it with in the future!
Warcry isn't -the- reason to bring a WAR, just one of them. If anything is being undervalued, I think it's Tomahawk. 1:45 of -30% resist dmg type that you can use every 3 minutes? Busted.
I agree with you though, Mighty Strikes probably the best 2 hour in the game. Certainly one of the most fun anyway. For making the final push (40%-0%) against V25s, this is the greatest argument in favor of Warrior for fights like Mboze, Kalunga, and Ngai. Armchair quarterbacks who are out here talking about their spreadsheets and V20 experience are not taking everything Warrior has to offer into consideration.
Warcry's TP bonus benefits everyone. We are not all robots who WS at exactly the optimal amount of x TP. Tomahawk boosts the damage of everyone who is participating in dps and is absolutely undervalued from people who have little V25 experience. And then there is Mighty Strikes, which helps push through the most dangerous part of every fight (40/25% - dead).
All of this is not to say that groups cannot clear these fights with other primary DD jobs like SAM or DRK. It's simply the argument that WAR has a lot to offer that is not just the unga bunga Warcry Savage Blade that we have been seeing in recent months.
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By Asura.Clintbeastwood 2023-02-03 19:56:45
I mean, -30% of -25% to slashing brings it from 75% to 82.5%. A 10% damage boost to the party for 1:30 (not 1:45) is quite nice, but it's not even close to busted.
My bad, 1:30, which you can get 4 uses out of in a 13 minute fight for 6 full minutes of ~10% more damage.
Even if Tomahawk is that diminished, you've still got Armor Break and Warcry bringing up party DPS and 80% Berserk uptime, Retaliation, Restraint, and 2 ARGUABLY "busted" SPs to bring up your own.
I'm in violent agreement with Hya. Other DDs can probably clear that fight, but WAR seems like the path of least resistance here.
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By Asura.Geriond 2023-02-03 20:10:37
DRK also gets Armor Break, and SAM gets Ageha, so that's true of all 3, and DRK gets Last Resort, which is more potent than Berserk but has a bit less uptime (though with RD/WC can pretty much ride it the whole fight anyway).
Does Retaliation even work on AoE normal attacks? I assumed it had the same restrictions as counter.
I think WAR is probably optimal, but DRK is probably very close between Scarlet Delirium, Absorb-VIT, and self-capping haste without subjob or haste samba.
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By Asura.Clintbeastwood 2023-02-03 20:26:38
DRK also gets Armor Break, and SAM gets Ageha, so that's true of all 3, and DRK gets Last Resort, which is more potent than Berserk but has a bit less uptime (though with RD/WC can pretty much ride it the whole fight anyway).
True, but neither DRK nor SAM have an answer to Tomahawk. The closest thing would be Simon's absolute best-case absorb-VIT of 96. I have that "BiS" set with R15 Lib, and it tends to usually be closer to 60 stat whenever I use it /shrug.
Does Retaliation even work on AoE normal attacks? I assumed it had the same restrictions as counter.
I know it shouldn't, but I pop it anyway, and part of me wants to believe I see it proc every now and then, but could be total placebo.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2023-02-03 20:30:27
Mboze has a couple of single target attacks so you're seeing it proc off of those
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By Asura.Clintbeastwood 2023-02-03 20:34:02
Valefor.Prothescar said: »Mboze has a couple of single target attacks so you're seeing it proc off of those
I KNEW I wasn't crazy!
Hmmm...
Initial Speculations:
Looks like they took components of Walk of Echoes (setting), and Elemental Circles and brought it together.
They must of learned new ideas through the Lilith HTBF and how they can play with those elemental fetters to create unique battlefield environment and apply further stress with them..
Instead of Abyssea, this may be a Walk of Echoes 3.0? Anything iLvl 140+ .. We are ready!
Keep this thread clean, hoping to post critical details and discuss strategies.. Eventually I will create a Node on this with full details.. We can then update BG-Wiki with information that we gather..
Those of you who play on Nasomi.. Please don't post on here, you have a Fafnir to camp.. so get back to work.. This is isn't Bubbly Bernie version 3.0. He will be OG 1.0 forever on Nasomi.. ^_^
Sorry about the delay on updating this as I have been slammed with a lot of work since COVID-19 defense ramp up procedures at my hospital facility.
I have barely had time to update and barely any time to explore this content myself. I appreciate everyone's work so far. I will update this OP Thread with some resources and information that people have found across all servers including videos and screenshots..
Keeping this as a basic vital post highlight source so as new posts with vital information emerges I will just pin it here so it is all in one space and no need to jump around different pages..
To Begin.. The Basic Release Info from SE:
Some First Initial Basic Discoveries:
looks like you enter through Rabao
And you have 30 min to kill a bunch of trash mobs. Probably a boss at the end too.
More Initial Entry Discoveries Pinned:
About to enter Odyssey for the first time.
I'll report back. Setup is PUP, COR, BLU x2, SMN, RDM
Ok, it's looking like they made this content specifically to prevent BLUs from cleaving through this content.
Only main target took full damage. Surrounding targets took 90% reduced damage (main targeet 15k, all others 500 or less)
All mobs can be fully enfeebled (Sleep, Silence, Slow, Para) but standard rules apply for mob types (we saw Skeletons, couldn't Blind them)
I can very easily see a RUN or PLD tank running in and aggroing the group of mobs, with a BRD sleeping them all. 2 DDs kill one by one with proper support. SMN Bloodpacts were doing full damage on single mobs (same rules for BLU applied for SMN when we tried Thunderspark for lulz)
At the end, we found a group of mobs (bats) with a Fetter and a group of untargetable Yagudo. We cleared the bats, then killed the Fetter. Once the Fetter is killed, the Yagudo become targetable. For killing all of the Yagudo, you get 10 Izzat.
In total, we farmed 20 Izzat. We'll try using them tomorrow on boxes, maybe even spawn an NM. After we killed the fetter, a conflux spawned that gave us the opportunity to spawn a monster for 10 Izzat. We were low on time, so we just chose to exit.
Player with Trusts.. First Experience Testimonies:
Went in with trusts. Was able to 1 shot most things with leaden.
Yield: 31 scales and 3 scale boxes (from the chest).
Edit: Chests gave 11, 13 and 16.
More Vital Data Testimonies Discovered:
Random info:
-Killing trash gave izzat and lustreless scales
-Using 10 izzat to pop chest gave 2 scales and a box
-Killing fetter made untargetable yagudo killable, giving 10 izzat killing them all
-Popping NM with 10 izzat from ethereal junction spawned a red morbol that did blood weapon and dropped 2 boxes of scales
-Not sure what items you need to trade to junction to spawn monsters
-Was unable to use the thing at the start after killing fetter/yagudos/morbol, may have to kill all trash? I looked around and missed a pack, timed out before I could kill them all
-Moogle keeps track of trash killed, physis, and chests, and the power of your alter egos while in odyssey (Moogle Mastery)
More Testimonials and Discoveries..
Does anyone know what is needed to clear the RoE for Sheol A?
You need to run (can do on sneak/invi, only trasnparent mobs are true sight/sound) to last floor (A7) using confluxes. On last floor there is Otherworldly Vortex mentioned in RoE quest. You need to touch it (it lets you leave Odyssey too) to complete the quest. Credit for that info goes to Mischief from Bahamut. Here is a video of my first experience with Odyssey:
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- I didn't realize there was a conflux on each floor to move up
- Each floor increases in mob level, capping at 131, and general nastiness of monster family (manticores, giants I remember on last floor)
- Translocators bring you down to previous levels, so the first floor one doesn't work until you find the higher level ones
- One character got stuck on a floor and couldn't move up, nor did they get the RoE objective upon someone else reaching the top
So for soloers, seems like it's best to stick to lower level floor to farm scales, more experienced parties can move up to desired difficulty for more scales. First time in would be best just getting the RoE objective and unlocking translocators.
Initial Video Detailing Climb to 7th floor for easy RoE Completion for Augment Unlock on Gear:
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More Info about Moglophone KI's:
Anyways did a solo run this morning and got about 100 scales from just killing trash in first floor. Wondering what others are getting from parting up vs solo.
edit: Also can you hold one Moglophone KI on you, and then have the moogle hold one?
I was wondering this too. I picked up my KI last night and am holding it until later today and going to see if I can run two times in a row.
You can. I used my ki after few hours yesterday and when I checked moogle timer was at 15h, so it was going down while I had KI on me.
More Testimonial Higlights:
Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »Maybe Mischief will post about it, he figured it out on his mule. I'll try and post what i know, but it seems like we skip everything and just kill the fetters, mobs around the fetters, and sometimes the UNM near the fetters. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »and if u get to the final thing upstairs, personal chest for everyone. Not sure if someone said it already, but you CAN store a KI. So only need to farm every 2 days! I am confused on how people move up using sneak and invisible, in this run I explored everything, vortexes just said "you can't use this yet", or let me summon an NM but never move somewhere else, even after i killed the fetter, all the guards, the NM, opened one chest, and killed about 90% of all the mobs. If anybody can spot where in this video I should have been able to "move up" it would really help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i9GhE5nO3I
thanks At the mandies in your run. Just hug left wall and you'll find it. It took me a while to find the first flux as well, but the rest were less "hidden". A video was posted a couple pages ago showing the route.
YouTube Video Placeholder Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »vortexes just said "you can't use this yet" Need to click Shimmering lights for access to some portals or not have aggro iirc. I may be wrong though Bahamut.Lexouritis said: » It rewarded me again with a box + 50k gil.
did u kill a fetter? Seems like 50k per Fetter and 1 box per fetter (per character). The big Box from RoE seems to be just 1 time thing. The smaller boxes seem to be fetter based?
Killing all 4 fetters netted us about ~70 scales per run per person after touching otherworldy vortex.
Edit: With RoE quest being completed in a run, was more like 110-130. So how many scales is it per upgrade? Didn’t see on Bg-wiki and don’t feel like shifting through posts on here. Should be just under 12 stacks to max. Based on scales only being worth 5rp instead of 10 :/ Clip to the top and nab the box, in and out, 5 minute adventure.
For realsies? SE let content like that out after the mass-ban clipping/duping-alex adventures get onto the live server? Thought they learned their lesson since the AMAN trove boxes can't be scouted via Hex IDs. The box he means is the one from completing the RoE once. You can walk to it in 6-7 mins without speed hacks anyway. The big deal about completing the RoE is you can start augmenting your gear at that point. Well if dude already finished a piece few days after update, there isnt much time gate here it seems.
Probably just the appetitizer was released (im on a work trip, cant "enjoy" the new content till weekend...)
He finished because he bought scales or have legion of mules. Regular player with 1 account will need realistically around 10-14 days for one piece farming daily. Traded 5 Emperor arthro shells to vortex (dunno how many it took from inventory, might have only taken 1 of the 5). Summoned Brachys, a crab that had a high ass counter rate and instantly killed me on my thf in one attack round. 500+ damage counters with no DT set. Likely not advisable to spawn mobs solo with trusts. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »Personal box at the end when touching Otherworldy Vortex for each FETTER you kill, for all party members. If u kill all 4 fetters AND EVERYTHING around them it seems you will get 4 boxes.
~edited phrasing
So looks like if you solo, go for trash and farm with th4+ and for group you kill featers and go touch otherwordly.
Unless maybe kill 2 featers solo and go to the top? You could open 2 chests that way and get 2 boxes. So in theory maybe even get 4 chests and some scales from farming. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »
Personal box at the end when touching Otherworldy Vortex for each FETTER you kill, for all party members. If u kill all 4 fetters AND EVERYTHING around them it seems you will get 4 boxes.
~edited phrasing
So looks like if you solo, go for trash and farm with th4+ and for group you kill fetters and go touch otherwordly.
Unless maybe kill 2 fetters solo and go to the top? You could open 2 chests that way and get 2 boxes. So in theory maybe even get 4 chests and some scales from farming.
I'm not sure if you need to just kill the fetters or the fetters + all the semi-invisible beastmen around the fetters.
It's possible to kill a fetter without aggro from the semi invisible beastmen that are sight aggro like Yagudo and Orcs. I'm assuming Quadav will sound aggro which makes them easier to gather in a group.
On the first day, when I duo'd with my cousin on RUN and me on COR with a THF4 set, we killed 1 fetter but stopped killing the semi-invisible beastmen because they were not dropping anything. Not all of the beastmen aggro'd. Only the Yagudo beastmen that were in sight of us or each other aggro'd us. Care needs to be taken by support in this case as support will get aggro'd if they rush in too early before the tank has claim on everything. These mobs hit very hard.
Definitely go in with at least th4 if solo farming just trash mobs.
Go in with a full, balanced party to maximize drops from fetters. The fetters are easy to kill. The beastmen hit hard and have a little more hp than common trash mobs. Helps to sleep them too as they can easily overwhelm even the toughest of tanks. Me and a group of peeps went in yesterday, to do some testing.
Killing a fetter + beastman group rewards 10 izzat, no special drops were seen, we did not have a thief, just a range using bounty shot.
Gonna test farm some nms tonight. i tried to spawn 1 today with my alt using unity items, turns out 1 is not enough. My second run of this is probably the best I can do.
Went in, killed all normal monsters, Feters and Beastmen, killed all of the Yaguado. I had 20 Izzat, spawn a Unity NM Which was a Sporebat type mob that died in a 4 step SC. This NM used Blood WEapon, the NM I tried yesterday used 100 fists and rek'd me.
I got 90 Izzat from Monsters and 22 from the 2 boxes that I got from NM and a chest I used them on. The only thing I didn't do on Floor 1 was spawn the Junction that said "Item can be used to pop something here" I had 3 Sarama Hides, 2 Thuban Things and neither worked, nor did a combination of them work.
All of my drops were done with TH2 from Gear. Few unanswered questions:
How is the augmentation to Trust power in Odyssey earned? I believe the requirement must be more than simply killing sets of trash mobs and making it to the otherworldly at the end.
Rewards upon reaching end were:
360k gil from a group that killed everything on first floor, 2 NM's popped.
100k gil for solo killing 2 groups (4 izzat) worth of scrubs and reaching end.
On another run I also got 100k gil for solo killing more scrubs (4 sets I think. Seems like the NMs from either spawn point will be one of the 119/122 unity NMs with similar mechanics, but not exactly the same as my morbol didn't go through 3 stages and only did blood weapon. May be a good ideal to either focus on repeatedly killing one to raise its kill count for the moogle or killing all of them at least once. Can't wait for Pandemonium Warden v3 in the future lol Yep. Surprised the hell out of us.
But as I said I was getting 100k for just clearing a couple of easy rooms and heading for the exit solo for the RoE.
Thinking about it, we did a bit more than the first floor full clear on that run, did a second fetter and agon mobs and popped another NM at least. spawn a Unity NM Which was a Sporebat type mob
What method did you use to spawn this nm?
So there seems to be 2 spawn methods, Unity Item (I think 5 minimum) or Izzat once you have killed a fetter.
In terms of the invisible mobs I don't know if its a coincidence or not but every time they have aggro'd they go after my GEO and no other character. Dunno if the bubble is causing something funky to happen.
It should be possible, to kill fetters on all floors + escape as low as 3 man, I cleared everything in my run and had about 3 minutes to spare but a lot of it was goofing about looking at chests etc. I'd say 4 man would be the most optimal though as you can't really AOE.
Only flaw would be is that the fetters on floors seem to be placed randomly so you could get screwed over on travel times but imagine if you wanted to eat some taco's and take that risk you could and do it no probs. My second run experience soloing on COR with trusts:
Leaden Salute all the things
Tact/Sam with august, ygnas, monb, star sybill, koru
Killed everything on floor 1 and 4 groups on floor 2
30 izzat but could only find 2 chests to open
both chests only dropped 1 box each so was a little unlucky
TH4
Ended up with 135 scales. Could have been alot higher if I found a third chest and if the chests dropped more than 1 box each.
(I also got a message saying 'moogle magic II' when I killed a regular enemy. Must be to do with the total amount of things killed.) Leviathan.Kingkitt said: »My findings thus far:
As stated multiples times already here, you can sneak/invisible to maneuver around the mobs here. However..
The invisible mobs appear true sight and/or sound, so you have to be cautious of them.
Appears that killing fetters gives personal loot. We all got a box.
You can solo for the RoE if you want following the guidlines above.
Competing RoE gives you 1 large box.
Clear is NOT party wide and each person must touch it individually for credit. (Also recieved 60k gil, we cleared 1 fetter/quadavs, and the mob family near it)
Didn't notice until after fetter and invisible mobs were dead, but one or the other gave 10 izzat.
Have tried a few different unity mats for unm 119/122 and traded 5 to pop a NM. NM that spawned was of the same mob family as items traded. Tonight ill be going in with my COR GEO duo. How do you do the fetters? Kill the surrounding mobs then attack the fetter while trusts keep you alive with invisible beastmen smacking you? Then the beastmen?
Pull and kill regular mobs, until you see opportunity where nothing is close to fetter (there is always a moment when there is max 1 mob close to it at some point). Kill fetter fast (It's easy to kill. One good 2 step SC will kill it), then kill remaining mobs. I wouldn't try to aggro more than few mobs in general when solo or duoboxing, especially if you dont have Malignance set on COR. Something of note to add was that our rng and cor were doing 0 dmg to the fetter from distance and had to move much closer to do any damage. This may relate to how aoe does much reduced damage. Max gil reward is higher than we thought, just got 495k from today's run.
Btw force popping nm's uses a single UNM mat, not 5. And they cannot be reused within the same run. Spawning NM appears to be unrelated to what you use to pop.
So far NM's we faced: Tipuli(fly),Aegupius,harpe(weapon),leucippe and physis (morbol).
Moogle mastery ranks up as you kill stuff, @287 kills, 8x NM and 2 chests we at Mastery III. Max gil reward is higher than we thought, just got 495k from today's run.
Btw force popping nm's uses a single UNM mat, not 5. And they cannot be reused within the same run. Spawning NM appears to be unrelated to what you use to pop.
So far NM's we faced: Tipuli(fly),Aegupius,harpe(weapon),leucippe and physis (morbol).
Moogle mastery ranks up as you kill stuff, @287 kills, 8x NM and 2 chests we at Mastery III.
Do you need to touch the flux on the top floor to get the gil? Or when does the gil actually get distributed to you? Yes, you have to leave personally to get it, and as always if other party members are fighting its locked out. My second run experience soloing on COR with trusts:
Leaden Salute all the things
Tact/Sam with august, ygnas, monb, star sybill, koru
Killed everything on floor 1 and 4 groups on floor 2
30 izzat but could only find 2 chests to open
both chests only dropped 1 box each so was a little unlucky
TH4
Ended up with 135 scales. Could have been alot higher if I found a third chest and if the chests dropped more than 1 box each.
(I also got a message saying 'moogle magic II' when I killed a regular enemy. Must be to do with the total amount of things killed.)
Tonight ill be going in with my COR GEO duo. How do you do the fetters? Kill the surrounding mobs then attack the fetter while trusts keep you alive with invisible beastmen smacking you? Then the beastmen?
Pull/kill regular mobs with ranged attack. Run in to fetter with max 1 or 2 shadows aggro. Kill fetter > kill the rest. Just look out what you aggro. Aggroing BLM mob that stand close to middle will probably result in mass link eventually. Regular mobs dont link at all, but transparent mobs (before and after killing fetter) do. Each flux takes you to a higher floor. There are 7 floors with the 7th floors flux being the exit and the RoE objective. Each flux takes you to a higher floor. There are 7 floors with the 7th floors flux being the exit and the RoE objective. Not sure if it was mentioned, but looks like you can't pop the same NM twice from UNM mats in the same run. Popped once on first floor, and later on the 4th floor it gave a message saying we couldn't pop the same NM again. Sharing Shamgi's notes posted in the BST forum for relevant details:
Ok, just went into an Odyssey and discovered some things:
1. You can charm things in there. Things seemed to be fairly simple to charm, and Charm+ gear meant that my dhalmel stayed charmed 15+ minutes.
2.Charmed pets seem to be quite strong. Beyond the normal HP, they seemed to have fairly high damage, hitting other mobs in their own pack for 4-600 a swing, with crits as high as 900. My Dhalmel once used Berserk and those numbers got pretty big, same with their Sound Wave move. My record was a crit for 1500 or so. This is with NQ food and no other pet related buffs. I had one crawler end up at 74% when it killed another crawler in the pack, likely benefiting from all the DA and Haste.
3. Pets seem quite effective at killing the Halos. They hit hard already, but notably, they aggro nothing, not even the Beastmen around the Halos when doing so. The Halo produces a damaging AOE every couple of seconds that was hitting for 200 or so, but the pet, with it's 40k+ HP, doesn't care at all. Indeed, I left the pet to it's own devices and killed other packs with trusts while it worked the halo down itself, which actually seemed quite nice. When it died, the Orcs around it didn't aggro, so it was easy to pull them one by one, as they don't link either.
4. Mob spawns are random, which can hurt this strat, but from two runs a majority of the packs seem charmable, and many of them are often pretty powerful. Given the strat above, I feel like a monk style pet would be best here.
Overall, I'm super interested in trying this with a full group where you can use the pet to deal with adds while you work on a pack yourself and to safely kill Halos while you clear other things.
One issue was Sic, the recast was way worse than I remembered, and my lua isn't set up at all to deal with it. My best guess is to just set up my gearswap to always produce a physical damage set for Sic and then just use pets who focus physical damage with their TP moves. If it's a buff move, then no big deal, if it's physical then it's the right set. They do link, my experience has been all sight linking though (fought orcs and yags so far). Do not link with the Fetter though, found this out by trying to range attack the fetter down, only to realize the fetter is immune to auto-range attacks. They do link, my experience has been all sight linking though (fought orcs and yags so far).
Well its kinda expected. Orc, Yagudo and Goblins are all sight aggro/link. Quadavs are sound aggro/link and it's how they are in Odyssey too. They arent immune to ranged attacks you just need to be stood in the fetter to do damage.
So not immune to ranged attacks, but immune to any attacks from a range. XD As with all farming things it's more efficient to solo, if the kill speed is high, like 119 content. 6 solos have 6x more chances for boxes.
Luck's definitely a factor; and yeah I think solo probably is best.
I think a lot of it has to do with people finding each other, people needing to sneak/invis themselves, and having to stagger the flux (so it doesn't glitch out). Was a lot of wasted time there.
Was just curious if other groups were experiencing it as well. Went in as Pup/Whm. Killed 3 Fetters, champion NM on floor 7 after fetter, and a few other random mobs using automaton only.
Literally no drops + exit only gave me 5k gil.
I wonder if you need to take an action on the fetters or something yourself before you can get drops or credit for killing them. Went in as Pup/Whm. Killed 3 Fetters, champion NM on floor 7 after fetter, and a few other random mobs using automaton only.
Literally no drops + exit only gave me 5k gil.
I wonder if you need to take an action on the fetters or something yourself before you can get drops or credit for killing them. As group you are suppose to kill Fetter at floor 1,3,5 and 7 and run to otherworldy vortex at the end. You should get 4 PERSONAL box from otherworldy that way and I think one more personal box from killing beastman kings at floor 7 (they are around Fetter there).
So thats 5 personal chests
At least 40 Izzat to open chests
Probably at least 40 single scales from killing trash around fetters if you take at least TH4 with you.
Small boxes are on avg around 13 scales?
So probably around 70-80 scales at least per person, maybe more if you have time to farm more.
Very good geared solo player on specific job like COR, can get more with luck, but it might be other bonuses from killing fetters and NMs that we might dont know about. Went in as Pup/Whm. Killed 3 Fetters, champion NM on floor 7 after fetter, and a few other random mobs using automaton only.
Literally no drops + exit only gave me 5k gil.
I wonder if you need to take an action on the fetters or something yourself before you can get drops or credit for killing them.
No, you need to kill Fetter AND beastman mobs around it to get credit for personal box at the end and 10 Izzat. I assume you killed only Fetters. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »THF can pick the locks/chests in odyssey, in case no one mentioned, or knows about it yet. However some times mimic will pop out. Unsure how hard they are, as it opens with deathtrap, and his mule has sparks gear (and it got one shot). Credit goes to mischief
"Either gave a 'however it has no effect' message and consumed the tool, opened the chest, or a mimic popped out" I made a quick map of Odyssey to make ease to hit the fluxes.
Etheral Junctions, Fetters and camps change apparently random.
EDIT: all maps have North heading the upper border.
Aegypius NM:
Bird
Popped using 5 Abyssdiver feathers
Uses Broadside Barrage and Damnation Dive
Uses Perfect Dodge at low HP and gains an Encumbrance aura that stays for the rest of the fight Carbuncle.Papesse said: »Beware of the Treant NM Ptelea and its dangerous Leafstorm AoE. Leafstorm is hybrid wind based. It can crit, miss, be absorbed by shadows and Elemental Sforzo. One For All, Gelus Valiance and Baraero substantially reduce damage. As far as getting these telepoints, mentioned on BGwiki's Odyssey page that you're supposed to be able to travel between to get to further levels of Odyssey, does anyone have any info on the requirements to gain access to these? Do you have to kill all of the fetters to go up a floor? Also, has anyone tried going in with a group of six and then disbanding and everyone using their own trusts to expediate the process of both killing enemies on every floor, taking care of all the fetters on a floor and then popping the nm's so that you might progress to these tele-points if those happened to be the requirements? I know some players might have found that they can farm higher amounts of the Lustreless Scales solo rather than teaming up but if you go in with 6 and then make you're own parties with trusts.. and there are multiple telepoints with up to say 15 sets of mobs and fetters then the possibility of having a high return still might be worth it. Another thing i noticed maybe means nothing but i saw some pixels floating out of nowhere that seemed like a mobs name. Maybe a glitch? Or the others maps? Or a random mob?
 I'm sure people regularly killing fluxes/beastmen already knew this, but AoEs that would have hit the untargettable/invisible beastmen will still generate enmity on them, so people should watch for that if they're sleepgaing or horde lullabying fodder. We spawned an NM in today's run.
Brachys: Crab NM (PLD/MNK)
Had a pretty decent (25-30%) Counter rate. Bubble Curtain's Shell effect reduced enspell (RDM with Crocea Mors) dmg to 0 unless it was dispelled. Used Invincible at 25%. Easily landed enfeebles (Slow, Para, Blind, Frazzle, Distract) Pretty easy fight overall.
It was spawned using 10 Izzat after we killed Fetter + Beastmen mobs surrounding it. Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »I have Moogle Mastery III, not sure what's doing it. Status report has:
Nostos killed: 306
Damysus: 2
Salmandra: 2
Cynara: 1
Chests: 3
Seems I ranked up when I killed an Agon Bruiser. The augment system is “tiered”. I’m working on my alts Emeici +1.
Ranks 1-5 give +2 damage. Ranks 6-10 give +2 damage, +3 acc/macc. I assume ranks 11-15 give +2 damage, +3 acc/macc, +2 crit rate.
That’s a neat way to do it, it incentivizes the more expensive ranks. Just had a bad solo experience... turns our not all popped NM's are soloable. Do not recommend popping the nm's for 10 izzat.
Got a cactus who would constantly triple attack and did 600 normal / 1200 crit per attack round. August got insta-KO then healer then myself within 7 seconds. YouTube Video Placeholder
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