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By Siren.Kyte 2019-10-04 11:21:10
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Ignore defense isn't inherently worse than an attack bonus, so that aspect doesn't need to be changed. The issue is the low fTP on Camlann's/Wheeling.
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By Bahamut.Eternallight 2019-10-04 12:29:55
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I think the problem with ignore def is the fact that everyone is getting insane atk buffs from things like trusts, or having an actual bard/corsair/geo with them.

There is very little content where you are not hitting 2500+ atk.

In a real party, I have seen my attack hit the near 5ks.

You cap pDif so easily, there is no point to ignore def/attack boost.
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By Asura.Highwynn 2019-10-04 14:10:43
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・Add new job traits
・Add new job abilities
・Add new feature that increases
player’s weaponskill damage when wyvern levels up

I was under the SEVERE impression that they said back in idk 2012-2013 that they could not add new job abilities because of a technical hard cap of 15 JAs per job. This was also why no new spells could be added due to approaching the cap.

1. Call Wyvern
2. Fly High
3. Jump
4. Ancient Circle
5. High Jump
6. Spirit Link
7. Super Jump
8. Angon
9. Deep Breathing
10. Spirit Jump
11. Soul Jump
12. Dragon Breaker
13. Spirit Surge

I strongly suspect the new job ability for DRG will be a pet command, and if it's not, then why the HELL haven't Dragoons gotten new job abilities like years ago? Perhaps they found a way to overcome it, or perhaps the new skill will share a recast with an existing skill (damage version of Super Jump, self buff version for Spirit Link?). Hell they can make Deep Breathing a pet command and open a slot up. They said "abilities" which implies more than 1. I am mega curious to what they add. Some kind of self buff or AoE party buff would be greatly appreciated.


My wishlist for potential job abilities/traits would be:
-A buff that grants moderate Save TP for 30 seconds (think Penta Spam from back in the day, but now in Job Ability form)
-A buff that allows you to ignore 25% defense for 30 seconds.
-A JA akin to Deus Ex Automata. Calls a weakened Wyvern to your side, or calls a normal Wyvern but gives you a penalty like HP-20% for 1 minute, or maybe consumes 50% of your HP to call a wyvern with max HP equal to that 50% for 1 minute or something
-JA that makes your Wyvern Invincible for 30 seconds.
-JA that heals your Wyvern to full for free, and gives a 1 minute max HP boost to the Wyvern, 3 min recast.

-Trait that buffs weapon skill damage
-Trait that allows you to occasionally receive a massive attack boost or maybe it has you ignore 50% of a target's defense on proc.
-Trait that reduces HP% taken from the Dragoon during Spirit Link

IDK maybe they will borrow some ideas from FFXIV DRG (FFXIV DRG borrows Stardiver and many weapon skill names from FFXI DRG...). Dragon Dive could share recast with Super Jump? Puts you in the air but doesn't shed enmity, but grants you 4x normal TP. Lance Charge could be a self damage buff, etc
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By Asura.Biglovin 2019-10-04 15:16:54
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They did say they're making a trait for ws up when you're wyvern lvls up
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By Bahamut.Eternallight 2019-10-04 16:13:54
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I am excited to see what they do.

Honestly though, if the level up trait from wyvern is just flat WSD, its going to devalue most of the drg WS even further since they are mostly multi hit. At least if I understand WS Damage correctly.

I guess we shall just spam torment now.

Or time to really single wield Naegling and just call it a day. (Pretty sure as is, we can get like 70% WSD for savage blade spam.)
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-10-04 16:26:19
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It IS exciting isn't it? Like a car crash. Just wait for the sound...
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By Bahamut.Eternallight 2019-10-04 16:31:08
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
It IS exciting isn't it? Like a car crash. Just wait for the sound...

Never quite thought of it that way... xD
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By Asura.Highwynn 2019-10-04 20:51:38
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The way they worded it, it doesn't sound like the wsd would be a trait but just something they tack on to the invisible buffs we get like the atk def haste and DA
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By Ozaii 2019-10-05 00:48:56
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Question on the drg collar +2. The bonus level to the wyvern. Does that extra level also give the wyvern level bonuses so an extra +4% atk and extra da and such or does that level from the collar not give that bonus.
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By Asura.Veikur 2019-10-05 00:50:27
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Unfortunately, no. it's just extremely minor stat boosts to the wyvern.

In good news, no amount of gear based WSDMG is going to make Camlann's Torment relevant, because it'll always benefit Geirskogul and Shining One Impulse Drive more.
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By Asura.Highwynn 2019-10-07 11:14:09
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Did Spirit Surge always give +25% Attack/Defense or is that something new they added since the Wyvern Parameter boost now gives 20%/20%?
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By Asura.Veikur 2019-10-07 11:21:50
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Always been the case as far as I know. Spirit Surge hasn't been changed, to the best of my knowledge, since it's implementation.
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By Asura.Highwynn 2019-10-07 11:23:42
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Hmm I don't remember it granting any attack other than what was derived from the modest STR boost it gave.
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By Ozaii 2019-10-07 11:45:50
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Maybe the str atk adjustment they made over the year helps make a noticable difference as well.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2019-10-07 12:06:42
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The atk/def bonuses on spirit surge were added September 9, 2014.

Source, JPwiki via google translate
http://wiki.ffo.jp/html/945.html
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Version-up of the September 9, 2014 , the physical attack power + 25%, physical defense + 25% of the effect has been added.
I'm still digging but it looks like this was the same update that introduced the wyvern parameter bonus atk/def/haste for the DRG.
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By Asura.Veikur 2019-10-07 12:09:16
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I stand corrected. That's what I get for being inactive for 90% of Adoulin.
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By Siren.Kyte 2019-10-07 12:20:34
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It was yes. It's just to make up for the fact that your wyvern isn't considered to be present during Spirit Surge, or else using your SP1 would be a nerf of sorts.
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By Shiva.Eightball 2019-10-07 12:28:54
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If there is a JA cap of 15 per job then they could easily get around this the same way they did for jobs like cor and sch, group JAs in a subgroup and possibly put them on charges. I would like to see all jumps in a subgroup with like 4 charges with a decent cooldown and each jump having a more unique effect ranging from low dmg with high added effects to high dmg with no added effects to optimize utility.
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By Asura.Highwynn 2019-10-07 16:14:05
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That's cool, although it kinda means spirit surge is just the jump bonuses(basically just a weaker angon), atk+5%, def+5%,accuracy+, and some Strength, right? The JA haste is obviated due to Hasso, right? Not counting the bonus HP and heal since that's not really a dps thing. Though I guess if combined with fly high, you cna basically fulltime the defense debuff.
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By Bismarck.Darcain 2019-10-08 22:30:10
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Asura.Highwynn said: »
That's cool, although it kinda means spirit surge is just the jump bonuses(basically just a weaker angon), atk+5%, def+5%,accuracy+, and some Strength, right? The JA haste is obviated due to Hasso, right? Not counting the bonus HP and heal since that's not really a dps thing. Though I guess if combined with fly high, you cna basically fulltime the defense debuff.

Also -15 double attack from wyvern leveling up job points, and you lose the boosts to Spirit and Soul Jump.
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By Ozaii 2019-10-09 23:22:41
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The goon update coming up soon folks. /hype
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-10-10 00:23:53
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Increased modifiers for ws, is what it sounds like
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By Bahamut.Shozokui 2019-10-10 00:30:38
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It's up. 21% WSD for Dragoon at Wyvern Lv. 6

A new job ability, Spirit Bond, has been added.
Spirit Bond (DRG Lv. 65; Recast time: 60s; Duration: 180s)
Enables the dragoon to take some damage on behalf of their wyvern. Using Healing Breath also restores the wyvern's HP.

A new job trait, WS Damage Boost, has been added.
Increases your weapon skill damage.
*This new job trait only affects player characters and alter egos.
Stage Value Lv. Acquired
1 +7% 45
2 +10% 55
3 +13% 65
4 +16% 75
5 +19% 85
6 +21% 95


Dude, they gave us a Overwhelm++
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-10-10 00:31:14
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Also spirit bond, and healing breath heals your guy. Hefty additions
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By Ruaumoko 2019-10-10 00:34:05
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I wonder if that +21% works like REMA Augments.

If it does...
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By Bahamut.Shozokui 2019-10-10 00:34:49
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Ruaumoko said: »
I wonder if that +21% works like REMA Augments.

If it does...

I'm testing it as soon as humanly possible. If not, it changes the baseline for Rhongomiant and brings it way more in line with the other REMAs.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-10-10 00:36:22
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Im 100% sure its traditional first hit only wsd.

But they could *** it up (just like last time)
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By Bahamut.Shozokui 2019-10-10 00:40:18
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Im 100% sure its traditional first hit only wsd.

But they could *** it up (just like last time)

I'm about at that confidence level too.
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By Ozaii 2019-10-10 00:41:03
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It looked like they wanted it to benefit all ws really based on the wording on the digest video. They would rather adjust that than adjust each ws they said. But it could be either way.
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By Bahamut.Eternallight 2019-10-10 00:42:31
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Just to be sure im not crazy.

Thats a 21% WSD increase in addition to the wyvern leveling up WSD increase, yes? lol
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