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Bubble Trouble: A Geomancer Guide
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By Sylph.Timepassesbye 2025-10-11 07:43:01
My bad was looking at wrong piece, and wrong about cap. Without looking at magic acc you have:
Azimuth legs: Magic burst dmg +15, magic dmg+33, mab+58, int+55.
Agwu legs R30: magic burst dmg+9, magic dmg+20, mab+60, int+54.
Agwu legs vs azimuth legs is magic burst dmg -6, magic dmg -13, mab+2, int-1.
I don't see any way for agwu legs to be superior, other than the FC7 on them.
What I was trying to say is that magic burst dmg does a lot more than magic damage since it's a percentage increase.
So agwu legs will effectively drop magic burst damage by 6% compared to empy, even ignoring everything else.
You can't just say "they're the same since they both have it". One has 6% more, the other doesn't.
Also magic dmg+ will start to matter more the lower the tier, so bursting t5->t4 then t3->t<whatever is up> on the next will favour the set with more magic dmg for the lower tier bursts. And recast, of course.
sure, it drops 6%, but you'll already be at 46 MBB using the set posted, so losing 6 that's already over capped does nothing.
Sechs, so you're specifically asking about using agwu legs and feet, as opposed to azi legs and agwu feet correct?
i don't have the app you're referring to, but the setup i use for bursting is as follows
Bunzi's Rod
Ammurapi Shield
Ghastly Tathlum +1
Ea Hat +1
Azimuth Coat +3
Agwu's Gages
Azimuth Tights +3
Agwu's Pigaches
Sibyl Scarf
Hachirin-no-Obi
Malignance Earring
Regal Earring
Freke Ring
Mujin Band
Nantosuelta's Cape
I've seen solid returns on that set, and there really isn't much room for improvement. on the rare occasion where I do need more int, I 'll swap out the mujin band for the metaporph ring, but with entrust int up, that's not usually a problem.
one final bit I'm curious about though, is there a reason you're trying to lock and leg/feet slot together? I can see the mild argument being made for the agwu legs over azi, it's +2 mab in the long run, but when that was asked, you said you weren't talking about that. I think it's pretty well understood that even at lower RP levels, agwu feet are just the superior piece. again, I don't have that app to see what you're talking about, maybe it was just the person who made it and their personal preference for empy gear, or maybe they didnt have agwu.
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By Asura.Sechs 2025-10-11 09:26:07
Sylph.Timepassesbye said: »Sechs, so you're specifically asking about using agwu legs and feet, as opposed to azi legs and agwu feet correct? Technically Azi Legs+Feet vs Agwu Legs+Feet!
With the former lined up as "best" by the app.
But I guess even your combination of Azi Legs + Agwu Feet must be pretty close.
Thanks for the input you provided though! <3
Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-10-11 10:21:15
In my first hand experience azimuth legs far out do agwu legs. Azi legs+agwu feet out do any other combination on Sortie targets but are very close to azi legs+azi feet.
Which is where the FC on the agwu set comes in. I was also going to tell Sechs to split the difference and do azi legs/agwu feet.
By K123 2025-10-11 10:37:19
By gargurty 2025-10-12 05:18:54
Anyone have an up to date fast blade II set for geomancer? Been searching everywhere but cant find one.
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By gargurty 2025-12-04 15:06:59
anyone got an up to date judgement ws set?
By Chimerawizard 2025-12-04 16:10:25
anyone got an up to date judgement ws set? ItemSet 377077
probably not best in slot everywhere but should be mostly stuff you'll have on hand already.
If you don't have a high alabaster ear rank, can just use something else: ishvara/regal.
if your weapon isn't r15 which... aside from a crazy me, who would?! I suggest Cath Palug.
By gargurty 2025-12-05 09:03:50
tyvm and im also crazy enough to make that r15 ;)
By Veydal1 2025-12-05 09:22:20
I use the following specifically for Aminon. At ML50 I don't have any WS acc issues, but might need to sneak some more accuracy in if lower in ML (prob change the Ishvara earring for a Cessance / Dignitary for example, and if still need more, Null Loop for neck slot) -
ItemSet 401368
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By Asura.Toralin 2025-12-05 11:45:05
I use the following specifically for Aminon. At ML50 I don't have any WS acc issues, but might need to sneak some more accuracy in if lower in ML (prob change the Ishvara earring for a Cessance / Dignitary for example, and if still need more, Null Loop for neck slot) -
ItemSet 401368what kind judgment numbers @ 1k tp are you seeing with NQ Aminon?
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2025-12-05 11:47:19
I'm pretty sure, in order bis clubs for pure judgment damage are:
Tishtrya R15 (Not highest damage per WS potential, but averages more damage over time due to TP bonus)
Magesmasher +1 (Highest Per WS damage potential)
Cath Palug hammer
Idris R15 (OA2/3 gives decent boost over maxentius higher base damage)
Maxentius
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By Atrox78 2025-12-05 12:19:15
Cerberus.Shadowmeld said: »I'm pretty sure, in order bis clubs for pure judgment damage are:
Tishtrya R15 (Not highest damage per WS potential, but averages more damage over time due to TP bonus)
Magesmasher +1 (Highest Per WS damage potential)
Cath Palug hammer
Idris R15 (OA2/3 gives decent boost over maxentius higher base damage)
Maxentius
This is incorrect because it is missing the prime. Not that you would judgment with it.
Also, won't say doht go for bigger numbers on judgment but unless you have the worst dnc in the world in your group, idris is more then you will ever need for judegment on aminon. In most y groups the geo could just cast bubbles and aspb tp and all will be well.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-12-05 12:41:52
How is it incorrect when he clearly states "for Judgement Damage"? Maybe Lorg Mor fits in higher than 3 or below 2 if you WERE to use judgement with it, but that list looks fairly accurate for Judgement only weapons. I don't have a r15 aeonic to compare, but the notes about TP bonus make sense considering effective tp is 2250 during Aminon or other bosses instead of 2750.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2025-12-05 13:35:09
Cerberus.Shadowmeld said: »I'm pretty sure, in order bis clubs for pure judgment damage are:
Tishtrya R15 (Not highest damage per WS potential, but averages more damage over time due to TP bonus)
Magesmasher +1 (Highest Per WS damage potential)
Cath Palug hammer
Idris R15 (OA2/3 gives decent boost over maxentius higher base damage)
Maxentius
This is incorrect because it is missing the prime. Not that you would judgment with it.
Also, won't say doht go for bigger numbers on judgment but unless you have the worst dnc in the world in your group, idris is more then you will ever need for judegment on aminon. In most y groups the geo could just cast bubbles and aspb tp and all will be well.
Dexprozius posted in the sortie thread recently that their GEO with S5 prime club doesn't even use it. They do judgment. So, I'm sure the prime club goes on here somewhere, but until someone can really enlighten with more information I'm fine leaving it off.
Edit: Found it, in odyssey thread for some reason.. lol
https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/54555/the-odyssey-strategy-and-discussion/257#3765673
With the base stats of Lorg Mor I'd actually feel comfortable with it as #1 or #2. 20 more base damage than Magesmasher +1, +35 STR and MND, it's going to be good. Just a question really of whether Aeonic TP bonus swings total damage or not. Kind of hard to say, we're now talking about a 90 base damage difference when you factor in base damage, WSC, and fSTR.
By Veydal1 2025-12-05 13:49:16
I use the following specifically for Aminon. At ML50 I don't have any WS acc issues, but might need to sneak some more accuracy in if lower in ML (prob change the Ishvara earring for a Cessance / Dignitary for example, and if still need more, Null Loop for neck slot) -
ItemSet 401368what kind judgment numbers @ 1k tp are you seeing with NQ Aminon?
In the few cases where I WS at 1k, I've eyeballed somewhere in the high 30s. But I rarely WS at 1k due to Occult acumen. Normally WSing around the 1800+ mark, like in the 50s? I can take a look and save scoreboard next time I run on GEO.
Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-12-05 14:17:46
Cerberus.Shadowmeld said: »Dexprozius posted in the sortie thread recently that their GEO with S5 prime club doesn't even use it. They do judgment.
Investing the time into making a Stage 5 Lorg Mor and NOT using the associated WS in the primary event in the game?
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2025-12-05 14:22:24
Yeah, that was what really bummed me out about it.
By Veydal1 2025-12-05 14:29:17
Aeonic R15 crushes the other options by far at 1k. Judgment scales too well to not have the +500 TP bonus outweigh other options. In practice, if leveraging a proper Occult Acumen set, you're more likely to WS in the 1500-1800 range (SAM roll adds a significant amount). The higher in TP, the closer it gets, Prime becoming better after the 2k mark or so.
Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-12-05 14:38:08
I have to make one then, it's one of the singularly few Aeonics I never made (Staff, Shield, and Club).
By Veydal1 2025-12-05 15:22:26
Just FYI regarding Tishtrya, it's main gain from R15 is the extra accuracy. Comes in handy for Aminon especially. The damage increase is marginal, like 1.5% or so.
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By Asura.Vyre 2025-12-05 19:52:42
Isn't the reason they don't use Dagda stem more from a TP feed concern? With Nyame it has potential to Datk on both hits, meaning 4-hit WS in a TP Denial fight. Might just be bad for business? (or as Sterk pointed out in the linked above, substantially higher acc requirements for multi-hit?)
GEO in my group got stage 3 recently, and we do standard 8 boss melee runs (no kiting).
In general, Dagda's averaging for him between 37~50k per run, with Judgment about 2~3k lower(usually). He's only rocking R20 Nyame, but I see his Dagdas go up into the 60k range frequently. (My favorite one shortly after he got it on Demisang Deleterious for 69k and some change).
He hasn't made TP Bonus club to offhand yet, which I imagine is part of the reason for lower averages (or maybe the basement bosses really jib it. Idk. He killshot Aita today with a 56k Dagda)
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2025-12-05 20:04:04
Isn't the reason they don't use Dagda stem more from a TP feed concern? With Nyame it has potential to Datk on both hits, meaning 4-hit WS in a TP Denial fight. Might just be bad for business? (or as Sterk pointed out in the linked above, substantially higher acc requirements for multi-hit?) As counter intuitive as it is... mobs don't get additional TP for extra hits on WS. <,<; Note, they do still get TP for the offhand hit from DW, or the second hit from H2H, but like, Stardiver as a 4 hit WS is still only gonna give one hit worth of TP to a mob. And if you get DA procs, no change.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2025-12-05 20:05:44
Isn't the reason they don't use Dagda stem more from a TP feed concern? With Nyame it has potential to Datk on both hits, meaning 4-hit WS in a TP Denial fight. Might just be bad for business? (or as Sterk pointed out in the linked above, substantially higher acc requirements for multi-hit?)
GEO in my group got stage 3 recently, and we do standard 8 boss melee runs (no kiting).
In general, Dagda's averaging for him between 37~50k per run, with Judgment about 2~3k lower(usually). He's only rocking R20 Nyame, but I see his Dagdas go up into the 60k range frequently. (My favorite one shortly after he got it on Demisang Deleterious for 69k and some change).
He hasn't made TP Bonus club to offhand yet, which I imagine is part of the reason for lower averages (or maybe the basement bosses really jib it. Idk. He killshot Aita today with a 56k Dagda)
Only the first hit of a weaponskill gives TP. Multi-hit and Multi-attack procs on WS do not give extra TP.
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Monster_TP_gain
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-12-05 20:19:12
FWIW, I'm far from ready to say it's scientifically proven good, but our GEO rocks Dagda on everything and regularly reports 90k+ WS. Keep in mind he sometimes saves a lot of TP before WSing, and it's probably not an accurate representation of his average, of course, but it absolutely CAN slap. This is stage 5, but I remember it being a nice boost to damage at stage 4 as well. It's a solid WS and seems to put out good numbers. None of these have TP bonus club since he always subs DRK, even if we aren't going for Aminon.
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By Asura.Vyre 2025-12-05 20:22:28
Isn't the reason they don't use Dagda stem more from a TP feed concern? With Nyame it has potential to Datk on both hits, meaning 4-hit WS in a TP Denial fight. Might just be bad for business? (or as Sterk pointed out in the linked above, substantially higher acc requirements for multi-hit?) As counter intuitive as it is... mobs don't get additional TP for extra hits on WS. <,<; Note, they do still get TP for the offhand hit from DW, or the second hit from H2H, but like, Stardiver as a 4 hit WS is still only gonna give one hit worth of TP to a mob. And if you get DA procs, no change. Today I learned :O
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-12-05 21:20:24
Feeding Aminon more TP is actually what you want to do, just in a controlled fashion. It's not strictly a TP "denial" strategy in the same way Mboze is fought. You don't want him getting TP to use against you, but you do want him getting enough TP so you can absorb it and bump up your WS frequency. It's like an organized game of chicken where the more you feed him the more you can steal; greatest risk for reward. Playing it safe is slow mode, but the better you get at it the faster you can push it
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