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By Chimerawizard 2019-05-11 21:30:18
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In the set you posted in bg-wiki.com/bg/Talk:Cardinal_Chant, are those amalric gages supposed to be +1? Otherwise, MBII should be +10 instead of 11.
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By Cerberus.Dougg 2019-05-11 21:33:32
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Chimerawizard said: »
In the set you posted in bg-wiki.com/bg/Talk:Cardinal_Chant, are those amalric gages supposed to be +1? Otherwise, MBII should be +10 instead of 11.
Yes the set should have the +1, I have fixed it. Thank you.
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By Cerberus.Dougg 2019-05-11 22:34:12
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
6875 seems a little low for 22% burst bonus.

47170 w/ 52%
54045 w/ 74%
I derped in my previous reply.

It does seem low but the math seems to work:
54045 / 1.73 = 31239.88
31239.88 * 1.51 = 47172.22
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By Chimerawizard 2019-05-11 23:23:53
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ItemSet 366266
ignoring INT 3step skillchain
MAB=100+24subjob+20jp+42gifts+374=560
MB=100+40+35+22=197

vs geomancy galero +3
MAB=522
MB=100+39+28+44=211

dMAB=-38
dMB=+14

% improvement
Ea hat MAB: 38/522=7.3%
Galero MB: 14/197=7.1%

Even with an extra step in skillchain to assist the galero set & cap dINT looks like Ea hat wins.
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By Asura.Sechs 2019-05-12 18:36:12
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Got my 11% Indi duration on Gada within like 100 stones. Guess I got extremely lucky there? O.O
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By Asura.Sechs 2019-05-13 08:13:25
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Cerberus.Dougg said: »
Sorry, I'll just say the tests are poorly documented then.
Probably? I remember two tests. One that I can't remember about the trait itself and one performed by nyarllko specific about the af2 hat
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By gargurty 2019-05-20 09:07:51
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Asura.Sechs said: »
Got my 11% Indi duration on Gada within like 100 stones. Guess I got extremely lucky there? O.O

You know solstice has indi duration +15%, and no augs needed?
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By Nariont 2019-05-20 09:14:05
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solstice is flat +15 seconds, all the +indi stuff is, augmented +duration is %
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By gargurty 2019-05-20 09:16:55
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mmm so a gada would add even more time? Dmn i need another gada now lol
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By Nariont 2019-05-20 09:23:33
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with the current gear available assuming max reive back its 328~ seconds with solstice and 341~ with max gada
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By gargurty 2019-05-20 09:31:03
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nice thats a good boost. I'll be trying to get me a second :)
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By Asura.Inuyushi 2019-05-20 10:03:18
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Nariont said: »
with the current gear available assuming max reive back its 328~ seconds with solstice and 341~ with max gada

So you're saying a max Gada with +11% only adds 13 seconds and is better than Solstice at +15 seconds?
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By Ragnarok.Lockfort 2019-05-20 10:19:08
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wat
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By Nariont 2019-05-20 11:03:26
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no? Im saying it adds 13 seconds OVER solstice, essentially being 28 seconds to solstices 15
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By Asura.Inuyushi 2019-05-20 11:37:48
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Ah, thanks for the clarification. Still not worth it to me though, ha.
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By Sylph.Chocobro 2019-05-20 12:03:16
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Chimerawizard said: »
ItemSet 366266
ignoring INT 3step skillchain
MAB=100+24subjob+20jp+42gifts+374=560
MB=100+40+35+22=197

vs geomancy galero +3
MAB=522
MB=100+39+28+44=211

dMAB=-38
dMB=+14

% improvement
Ea hat MAB: 38/522=7.3%
Galero MB: 14/197=7.1%

Even with an extra step in skillchain to assist the galero set & cap dINT looks like Ea hat wins.

Are we in situations on end game content where we're at capped dINT and MAcc? Honest question since I don't actually know. I sometimes think we aren't, but that could just be the good old magic wall *** with me.
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By Chimerawizard 2019-05-20 13:17:41
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INT: depends, some of the higher stuff I've stumbled upon INT #s for are just too high to cap anything but the lowest tier nukes.
If you have all the buffs, maybe. Slightly lesser content should be possible though.

Magic accuracy: Can definitely hit excellent mAcc if not cap'd on most anything with proper buffs.

Apex Umbril Lv.138 INT:362
Warder of Courage Lv.150 INT:426
Kouryu Lv.150 INT:474
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By Nariont 2019-05-20 13:52:04
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Asura.Inuyushi said: »
Ah, thanks for the clarification. Still not worth it to me though, ha.

fair, honestly it doesnt put you over the 6m mark less you dw them so yeah its nothing more than maximizing every second of indi really
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By Asura.Cicion 2019-05-20 14:31:35
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Can always toss a impact on nm stuff after bubbles done to. That -20% int should rly help bring ppl close to capping your dint for magic setups.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2019-05-20 15:29:23
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Chimerawizard said: »
INT: depends, some of the higher stuff I've stumbled upon INT #s for are just too high to cap anything but the lowest tier nukes.
If you have all the buffs, maybe. Slightly lesser content should be possible though.

Magic accuracy: Can definitely hit excellent mAcc if not cap'd on most anything with proper buffs.

Apex Umbril Lv.138 INT:362
Warder of Courage Lv.150 INT:426
Kouryu Lv.150 INT:474
Would you happen to have any more known monster stats? INT or anything else really.

I really wish there was a global monster data base with all this stuff in it.
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By geigei 2019-05-20 17:01:48
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https://www53.atwiki.jp/bartlett3/
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By Chimerawizard 2019-05-20 17:50:43
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my source was https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1skK7mneeWudXdKFKCiGRLmoV930J5lBRPy-yiQmKq3s/edit#gid=1610588047

Only thing I can find on the wiki are the apex #s.
edit: nvm, found more stuff down the resistance pages occasionally.
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By Asura.Sechs 2019-05-31 16:48:04
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I've been using this set for GEO DT so far:
ItemSet 363313

Kinda wanna move to this other one now:
ItemSet 363314

Any improvement or suggestion that you can think of?
The Resin aug on the capes is different of course, PDT 10 for the first set, DT 5 for the second.
Ideally I'd love to use different pants on the second set (Assiduity+1!) but I can't get the necessary DT without that slot (and without sacrificing Head/Feet, where I want to keep using Empy+1 and Relic+3)


Stats of the two sets
Set1:
Set2:

I'd say second set is slightly better.
+27 Meva, slightly more MND, bit less INT, Refresh+1, more Eva/AGI, Resist Silence+105.

...not really that big of a difference. Shamash Robe is not that big of a game changer, since Mallquis+2 exists. Now if Mallquis didn't exist at all Shamash would be quite a boost, but as it stands now Set#2 is barely better than Set#1

Feel free to correct me please!
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-05-31 17:21:57
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46 PDT
21 MDT

Before Dark Ring, Don't know what's on the dark ring but if you got 6 PDT you can lose the pants and have 49 PDT

Or Run Gelatinous+1 and get 50PDT for -1 MDT

Can also lose Isa belt for Slipor, then you can start shifting stuff around.
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By Asura.Sechs 2019-05-31 17:29:13
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Added data under 2 spoiler tags, your numbers are wrong Eiryl.
Cape on first set (Mallquis one) is PDT-10%, on the second set (Shamash) it's DT-5%.
Both achieve the same xDT numbers with slightly different gear.
Btw my Dark Ring has PDT-5, MDT-5, BDT-3.

In Set #2 I've been thinking about swapping legs for Assiduity+1 (refresh+2!) and swap Dark Ring for Gelatinous+1.
But that would leave me ~1% short from capping PDT and would put me like ~5% short of capping MDT?
Probably less, how much MDT does Shell5 give now, after the WHM patch? 27%?
But still, my Dark Ring is so good it really would be a shame to trade it for a Gelatinous+1, I think.


Edit:
Oh Slipor Belt is a thing, it's nice I guess. Would lose a bit of def but lol@that. I'm using Isa belt basically just for the pet regen
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-05-31 17:32:25
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46/21 before dark ring is what you have. Didn't know what was on it.

Gotta go back and get that 6/6/6 ring.

iirc, something with MDT/BDT is counted twice. If you have 6M 6B you either actually get 12B or 12M. I can't remember who verified it or where, but I do remember it was said and no one argued it.
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By Asura.Sechs 2019-05-31 17:40:30
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No it's just BDT.
The MDT on the Dark Ring counts as MDT and BDT.
Taking mine as an example, it says PDT 5, MDT 5, BDT 3.
It's actually PDT 5, MDT 5, BDT 8.

That's as far as I remember the Dark Ring tests, those were a loooong time ago.
So yeah while my Dark Ring ain't perfect, it's pretty good, feels bad to let it go in a DT build where I can afford the -20 HP.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2019-05-31 17:48:47
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Yep, that's how it works. Sechs has it right.

FYI, all MDT augments appear to double as BDT. At least everyone I've ever seen a test for has.

Now if only farming those weren't so soul crushingly boring...
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