Boredum thread:
Apoc 167 > 224
Rag 143 > 196
Updated Guess!
Apoc 253
Rag 215
Guess Apocs/Rags New Damage!
Guess Apocs/Rags new damage!
I want +200d dang it on RAG if not RAGE lol...
I'm betting Rag would be higher than 209. Since he gave the example of Excal being higher than Halachuinic Sword, I'm going to say Rag will end up higher than Bereaver.
Although, I'd probably be happy with 196.
So... Imma say...
Apocalypse: 251
Ragnarok: 217
Although, I'd probably be happy with 196.
So... Imma say...
Apocalypse: 251
Ragnarok: 217
Apoc: 216
Ragnarok: 199
*places bets*
Ragnarok: 199
*places bets*
Considering boss weapons and the crafted ones id say.
Apoc: 263
Rag: 232
Craftable ones are 271 and 246 and delve ones are 242 and 209 which the examples were quite a bit higher than.
Acc+60 att+20 as well?
Apoc: 263
Rag: 232
Craftable ones are 271 and 246 and delve ones are 242 and 209 which the examples were quite a bit higher than.
Acc+60 att+20 as well?
Odin.Registry said: »
I'm betting Rag would be higher than 209. Since he gave the example of Excal being higher than Halachuinic Sword, I'm going to say Rag will end up higher than Bereaver.
Although, I'd probably be happy with 196.
So... Imma say...
Apocalypse: 251
Ragnarok: 217
Although, I'd probably be happy with 196.
So... Imma say...
Apocalypse: 251
Ragnarok: 217
Well, still.
If there are more ranks for new weapons, REMs are going to need about that kind of boost to be competitive. Maybe they shouldn't be the absolute best, but they should definitely be better than Delve and AH weapons.
I'm assuming (I guess I probably shouldn't anymore...) that there will be new weapons that have higher base damage than the ones that are currently out. My personal bet is that 99 REMs will be about even or slightly better than weapons that drop off of Delve Bosses.
If there are more ranks for new weapons, REMs are going to need about that kind of boost to be competitive. Maybe they shouldn't be the absolute best, but they should definitely be better than Delve and AH weapons.
I'm assuming (I guess I probably shouldn't anymore...) that there will be new weapons that have higher base damage than the ones that are currently out. My personal bet is that 99 REMs will be about even or slightly better than weapons that drop off of Delve Bosses.
I'm wondering what the requirements will be for the RME upgrades. Is afterglow going to be a prerequisite now? If so, will they lower the amount of marrows needed for that 2nd stage? If so, the very few who have turned in 250 marrows, will be pissed. LOL
I took Rag at 196 since the delay is so low compared to the new weapons.
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Lakshmi.Neboh said: »
I'm wondering what the requirements will be for the RME upgrades. Is afterglow going to be a prerequisite now? If so, will they lower the amount of marrows needed for that 2nd stage? If so, the very few who have turned in 250 marrows, will be pissed. LOL
They said just 99 is required, not afterglow.
Lakshmi.Neboh said: »
I'm wondering what the requirements will be for the RME upgrades. Is afterglow going to be a prerequisite now? If so, will they lower the amount of marrows needed for that 2nd stage? If so, the very few who have turned in 250 marrows, will be pissed. LOL
This to me seems to be the biggest argument for "upgrading them in place instead of trials".
If you do have trials, then you have to either:
- Maintain two paths (AG/non-AG) going forward.
- Ignore the afterglow and piss off Hitler
- Do something along the lines of letting Afterglows skip to the end of the trial path ("Everyone else needs 4500 Airlixirs, kupo. You can just give me a Bone Chip!")
Plus, anyone who's halfway through an afterglow now has to power through and finish it. So yeah, I'm betting we just log in and have super weapons. Kind of lame, but my guess is that Matsui's ulcer is going to drive that decision.
We might also log back in with new Damage ratings, wouldnt be the first time.
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Yeah, that's my guess - like the dagger upgrade from years and years ago.
276 for apoc.
237 for ragnarok.
The proposed increase on excalibur is 165.7% of the level 99's base damage. So my numbers are just 1.657 multiplied by the current base damage of 99 apoc and rag, respectively.
237 for ragnarok.
The proposed increase on excalibur is 165.7% of the level 99's base damage. So my numbers are just 1.657 multiplied by the current base damage of 99 apoc and rag, respectively.
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I'd guess they'd go a little higher actually, assuming that Excalibur's damage is likely at least a little lower due to its additional effect being actual damage.
Personally, I do not think the upgraded R/E/M will be better than the upgradable Delve weapons. It will at most be comparable and each have their own use. I think the main issue with SE is the timing of these implementations and other content.
Wouldn't it be great if they upgraded Apoc with HP+
Edit: And troll tarus with Race: Tarutaru Hp-300!
Edit: And troll tarus with Race: Tarutaru Hp-300!
Im going with Taints estimates, New weapons dont have hidden effects and a higher delay than REMS, making lower base dmg seem more then likely.
They seem to want to make RME's better then the 30K weapons but slightly weaker / competitive with the Mega Boss Jesus weapons. All three of the example swords were better then the 30K one but somewhat competitive with the Mega Boss drop. It seems the 30K weapons are for folks who don't have RMEs to be functional without needing to build a RME (think OaT Magian weapons).
Celll said: »
Im going with Taints estimates, New weapons dont have hidden effects and a higher delay than REMS, making lower base dmg seem more then likely.
For all we know, there could be another tier after rank 15 that gives new base damage, weapon model stats, and/or weaponskills.
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Bismarck.Hsieh said: »
Celll said: »
Im going with Taints estimates, New weapons dont have hidden effects and a higher delay than REMS, making lower base dmg seem more then likely.
For all we know, there could be another tier after rank 15 that gives new base damage, weapon model stats, and/or weaponskills.
I really hope this is the case. Especially with the new gear. Maybe 3 different armors one for each path.
I will go with the closer to 300
Did they confirm 99 Onry for Upgrades? Or does it scale?
Bismarck.Hsieh said: »
Celll said: »
Im going with Taints estimates, New weapons dont have hidden effects and a higher delay than REMS, making lower base dmg seem more then likely.
For all we know, there could be another tier after rank 15 that gives new base damage, weapon model stats, and/or weaponskills.
Ahh, Ya i wasn't playing when abyssea came out. But if they do something similar with these weapons I would be all for it.
I was talking about this last night with a few people in a fracture run for plasm, and used the current 80-85% increase on the sword examples as a base, which ended up with Apoc being around 308 dmg. Seems a little excessive i know, but considet that a Wildskeeper Scythe has yet to be introduced in NQ or HQ form. Also, the Delve weapon scythe is 242 base dmg alone.
As for ragnarok, i would place around 225 base dmg or so, give or take.
Final Bets:
Scythe 308
Gsword 225.
As for ragnarok, i would place around 225 base dmg or so, give or take.
Final Bets:
Scythe 308
Gsword 225.
Bahamut.Fulgrim said: »
Did they confirm 99 Onry for Upgrades? Or does it scale?
99only...as it should be.
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I'm going with 276.
Apoc has always been (until Matsui's schizo trip) one of, if not the, highest DMG weapons in game.
EDIT: Apoc will be fine regardless. MNKs with verethragnas though is another story. If I come back to game it will be to farm up a pair woe h2h's and then do a pair Glazens.
Apoc has always been (until Matsui's schizo trip) one of, if not the, highest DMG weapons in game.
EDIT: Apoc will be fine regardless. MNKs with verethragnas though is another story. If I come back to game it will be to farm up a pair woe h2h's and then do a pair Glazens.
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