"The Republican War Against Women" - The Book

So let's say the father has his say, are we now going to force the mother to carry the fetus to full term against her will? Even ignoring the more extreme cases of rape or incest, that is just not a viable policy.

Is this policy always fair for both people involved? No. But biology created an unequal burden when it comes to procreation that can't be resolved by just divvying it up 50/50.

Aside from that bold your argument is valid, but again the same can be said for reverse. It never will be sadly as like you said... biology made it unfair. If you we were seahorses hey that would be fine and dandy

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Apples and oranges. Men and women are part of the whole American society. As such, you bet your bottom dollar I should get a say. Just like how I respect a woman's right to become knowledgeable in the area of say, circumcision, and for a female to have an opinion on that and have a say in it.

Russians citizens are not.

I'm going to assume this has to do with people protesting abortion and holding signs with aborted fetuses? I don't see the issue... Both men and women participate in things like that and as long as it's a peaceful protest/demonstration it's their right. Oh you can protest but you can only protest something that affects you what physically? Abortion does affect men and society.

I guess unless it affects you physically though you have no right to say anything about it?

his argument had nothing to do with what I said, again, reading comprehension...

It doesn't matter if it falls under category A B C D F I O M or Z. Making abortion illegal under any circumstance is denying people a fundamental right to their own body. Your morals are irrelevant. Your opinions are irrelevant.

When it comes down to a pregnant individual, even if they are at the point where it's sensible to refer to the thing inside them as a person (at which point abortions are only performed under extreme circumstances to begin with), it is necessary to value one of their rights over the other, and pro-life people just value the pregnant person less. Simple as.

So being grilled by an Israeli interrogator is superior to being put through a body scanner?

The Israelis aren't above body searches, watching you through cameras, planting agents as passengers, scanning your vehicle, utilizing racial profiling, monitoring your responses to phrases via machines and if they need to - holding you indefinitely if you're considered a threat either.

Your point?

There is room for improvement. There is always room for improvement.

Agreed. My major issue is how do we give the potential fathers a say in the matter?

Fancy that. What if the father wants the child?

I agree a woman shouldn't have to carry it full term, but what if the to-be dad wants it?

He did help make it, after all. A tricky conundrum!

Fair enough. I may have even see things that way at one point in my life. I don't know what else to say. I meant to make that point, & dip out.

I give you a firm thumbs up for that sort of reply.

Again reading comprehension, it does.. other wise.. you would have no reason to post that. Sorry you can't get it in your skull that based off what he said, I said what I said. Then you made a remark about what I said without understanding why I said it. If you think I said it to be serious, and to not mock his question... then you are just another example why this country is failing.

He can carry it in his own uterus then.

Hardeeharhar. Mock as you will, but until we've got the technology to reasonably and affordable remove the cell clusterfuck and test-tube it out for the duration, this is an actual issue. If I had the proper physical utilities to carry a kid, you bet I would if we could somehow choose which of us could carry it.

Not one that we should use to block abortions, but an issue none the less.

It's easy to discount the guys here.

still fascism isn't the answer, but the bottom line is your bottom line, there's always room for improvement, and that was the point of my original post.

Still up to the pregnant person. Carrying a child to term isn't a simple ordeal - it's expensive and it's cumbersome. Would it be a douche move if a couple decided to have a child and then the woman said
"Well, no, nevermind!" Of course it would. But the correct choice here is not to control what she does with her body, it's to find someone else.

I'm not against making abortion illegal more along the lines of there needs to be stricter guidelines on certain scenarios. If it's your 3rd time getting an abortion... tie your tubes.

***I said this before as well if it really *** helps all men can get their ***tied at the age of 13 and when you really want a kid have it untied. Drastic? Probably, but you won't see these kind of issues any more. So we can get back to ***that matters like Economy

I wasn't saying anything about what he said...

hence why I quoted your original post not your response to his.

deduction skills, do you have it?

That's just Jet.. whatever he says is completely correct and you are wrong if you don't agree with him. He has no need to explain himself either so yea...

not your call, or your business

Even if that's what "should" be done, we cannot allow ourselves to become a society where we deny people freedom because we disdain them and their choices.

If one woman can get an abortion then all women should be allowed an abortion.

Attitudes like this treat the population like a camp full of villains because of their potential to *** up.

I'm tired of you ***talking me at every turn, if you have something to actually back up what you say then say it, otherwise stop using ad hominem.

Also backing up the guy who has no idea what he's talking about really doesn't show well on you.

It'll be like scoliosis day in grade school... but with vasectomies!

The operation you referenced can lead to some very troubling hormonal imbalances and it's not exactly free or universally available. Take me to this perfect planet where contraception is properly regulated and everyone receives comprehensive sex education. Can't do that? Didn't think so.

Nobody likes abortion. That said, it must be available on demand, without apology. Stop. Telling. People. What. To. Do. With. Their. Bodies.

Thank you.

I noticed... I'm just gonna ignore him since he has no actual social skills, nor does he have any actual responses other than no and idc and derp

I'd say the republican party actually does as it is about the only thing that gets them votes anymore, aside from saying everyone is trying to tax them and take away their rights, when the last GOP president is responsible for the largest expansion of federal power, pretty much ever.

It's easier to talk about non-issue firecrackers than it is to actually work.

In the grand scheme of things, abortion won't save the country. It's a travesty that in the year 2012 this is still a stupid issue.

But it's much easier to say ABORTION IS BAD! and connect with your voters than something like The current state of the economy is due to [x]. In order to address the issues concerned here, we need to do several unpopular things for [n-years] in order to regain economic stability by year-Z.

Yeah, no one listens to the good stuff.

Except the Israeli airport procedure is still fascist to some extent and you mentioned it as improvement.

All they've done over there is axe the body scan for a far more personal approach to perimeter security. You're giving up a small modicum of your freedom in exchange for potential safety which is the very same thing I was mentioning the TSA and government buildings do.

Idk in the US I learned about sex ed in the 5th grade, 7th grade, ooh yeah then again in health class in freshman year. I also know that there's planned parenthood all over the place. Btw they pass out free condoms, they give birth control out like it's candy. Oooh there's even medical centers in colleges that will take care of you for free or a slight monetary cost to barely cover the fees so they can get the real life practice they need with actual accredited doctors backing it up. I mean Idk where these places are..... wait I just said it.

OOOOH btw... abortion also can cause hormonal issues, can cause irreversible damage to a womans body as well.. yet they are ok to do it. Yet my idea (while like I said was a over-dramatic and drastic pseudo problem solver) is bad, yet abortions aren't ok.. sure. Oh btw abortions are free to the tax payer dollars in some clinics that help people who aren't income stable. We still pay for it as tax payers don't we? Also if they are paying their own money and the insurances are covering the rest of the cost. Oh and Idc about universal I never once said I care about other countries other than US. Let other countries take care of their own issues, not my concern. Just where I live and care about.

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Also again I think it's a stupid issue to talk about as a serious political discussion but if it will shut people up and talk about issues that matter idc I'll pay tax dollars to get men a vasectomy early on. So any other things you want to bring up?

lol... ***talking you at every turn huh? lol...

I have... every time anyone disagrees with you you call em stupid or say stuff like well if you don't know then I'm not going to tell you because I couldn't do it without insulting you lol... or you just say wrong! You rarely if ever back up anything you say... You talk like everything you say is fact.

I wasn't really backing him up lol... just informing him on how you operate ^^