"The Republican War Against Women" - The Book

Well see you later then. I understand that sometimes people can sometimes get tunnel vision about their opposition. When you're ready to sit at the grownup table let me know.

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Lol, misunderstandings happen, I was just super confused.

I was like, "Did I just get called a scumbag for making fun of myself?"

And what qualifies as moderation? One man's moderation is another mans rights stomping gallapalooza.

Just because I think that religion is poisonous and that the world would be better off without bigots doesn't mean I am going to support legislation to criminalize those lifestyles. "I think you're wrong, but I support your right to be wrong" sounds a lot more reasonable than "My way of life is so correct that everyone should follow it, in a legally binding fashion."

I shouldn't have said anything, anyway, and then to be wrong... OY...

As a general rule, I really ought to stay away from threads about politics and religion. Someone always says something that makes me mad, and then I start to hate everyone. It's weird, because I can talk about things like that without a problem.

But I can't avoid them. It's a disease.

That makes the assumption that all religions have members that are all completely bigoted (wrong). It also seems like you make the assumption that bigotry is exclusive to religion (wrong again).

Personally I don't think it's wrong to fight for what you believe is right. When did it become wrong to stand up for something that you truly believe in? I don't personally agree with a lot of things people say or do but hey if that's what they want to do...

If you want change then do something... Make sure politicians that will support your agenda get into office and then you won't have to worry about it... otherwhise just tuck back up into the fetal position and cry some more about how things aren't the way you feel they should be.

the solution to that is to have an educated public, you can't make airline 100% safe, it's not possible, it's foolish to think you can.

Ben_Franklin_quote.jpg the guy really knew what he was talking about, people should learn history, most of the crap we're fighting about has already been done before.

as to the contraception issue: it should have never been an issue in the first place...

Well if everything is entirely subjective then there's no solution at all is there? Might as well stop pussy-footing around and just become a proper authoritarian state already if that's the case.

Sooo... by educated public you mean make everyone aware that if you get on this plane there's a chance that you're going to die and well we're not going to do anything about it so yeah fly at your own risk? Can't stop everything so don't try and when it happens throw your arms up in the air and just be like oh well couldn't be stopped anyways!

Look at it from a liability perspective too... who's at fault if something goes wrong at what's at stake?

So the solution is to do nothing? How can an educated public prevent attacks on a passenger aircraft? Since 9/11 people have been pretty on point handling situations where people display odd behavior on aircraft.

100% protection is impossible to achieve but what quantifiable amount of effort should be put into safeguarding the border from terrorist attack? Is a patdown an invasion of privacy? Is a scanner crossing the line? I see alot of jumping to authoritarian state but very little explanation on what the alternative means.

When you enter a courthouse you're subjected to a metal detector and no one really complains about that. Is that not the same thing as being run through a scanner at the airport to check for a bomb?

You know as well as I that no one is going to take the "acceptable losses" argument because it essentially says you're on your own once you get on board a flight.

I'm aware of Ben Franklins quote on the topic but old Ben didn't have to do deal with 21st century problems. Feel free to elaborate if I'm being derp on the subject.

Was Santorum doing well...or not? Did Palin do well...or not?

Defunding Planned Parenthood is just step one on the overarching extreme right-wing agenda to shove hardcore Christian doctrine down the mouths of a country that supposedly professes religious freedom. It goes much further than PP like say.. the mandatory vagina cams bill passed in TX that could be construed as rape? Constantly redefining when life begins? But who cares, this is for the moral good till life is redefined as sperm/eggs and masturbation becomes a capital offense.

How I do wish I was joking.

PP offers contraception services in addition to vital tests for women yet because the organization offers abortion services off the taxpayer dime, it must be destroyed? Quite the scorched earth policy there dontcha think?

It's not even like the hardest hardcore right-wingers even try to hide what they're doing. Countless pastors and other influential individuals within the party have stated that the goal is to spread their version Christian teaching even if the country is taken kicking and screaming. Gays, women, sexuality, abortions are all just pieces of a larger puzzle actively being worked on yet somehow you think contraception won't be touched? History books say otherwise.

@ you and flavin, not once did I suggest doing nothing...

the methods in place are way beyond the point of stupidity, the policies we had at the time of the incident were fine, they just weren't being followed. overreaction isn't justification to go overboard, however they made it as such.

as for the metal detector, a full body scan or entrusive patdown is not comparable to a metal detector, I don't see how you can compare the two.

Benjamin Franklin knew a lot of problems that most of us wouldn't consider, terrorism and security were issues even then, and they knew that a false sense of security isn't worth what it takes to give up.

Are you really trying to compare the "terrorism" of 1700's to what we deal with today? I mean, really?

You didn't suggest doing anything... you just said educate the public... What policies were in place before that weren't being implemented?

I'm tired about people quoting good ol' Benji because most of the time they know nothing about the guy and don't even know where the quote came from just mindlessly rehashing it.

while the methods are different, the principle is the same, some people want to kill others.

The point being is even in an entirely fascist society the people can't be 100% safe, so no there's no point in furthering towards a fascist society.


Yeah, and you're an expert?

Never said I was an expert but I'm not the one throwing around the quote either...

Whether or not the principle is the same... as you said the methods differ and they differ greatly. When the method differs the response required differs...

not always, and I've studied enough fascism to know it's pros and cons, Ben was right.

History has proven it.

As to what they should have done, has been covered numerous times in those threads, both parties of today are guilty of infringing upon people's rights, unfortunately they keep dangling crap in front of to distract us from the real issues.

Not always? That doesn't even refute what I said lol... So are you agreeing with me at least in some cases? Not sure what Facism has to do with Ben Franklins quote or anything else we've been talking about... Facism has nothing to do with giving up rights for security...

If you don't want to answer the question then why bother responding? lol...

Well if all it takes is for them to dangle stuff in front of us to distract us from the real issues then shame on us.

Yes it does, there's some cases where a change in the exact methods require a change in the response, but typically not. As to the education bit, it was to prevent people from overreacting and demanding unreasonable things based on emotion instead of facts (which is what happened). If you aren't sure what fascism has to do with it, then you need to do a lot of research, I'm sorry but I don't know how to respond otherwise without getting rude.

what question didn't I respond to?

For the general public, again yes, that's why I said education is the key, most people are ignorant and like to remain such.

I think there's a happy middle ground, as MANY of the airline plots have in fact been foiled by passengers instead of the good ol TSA. All the pat downs and child molesting and x-ray porn is in place to make everyone feel safe. The biggest security risks at airports are hardly ever revealed to have anything to do with the funneling of passengers. The risks are more associated with low level airport employees having frighteningly easy access to areas they shouldn't. The point is the TSA SUCKS at their job. They are horribly ineffective and a HUGE inconvenience to the public. Yet we sit back and shell out their big bloated budget for service that sucks and is completely loaded with waste because "it makes us feel better".


I don't like PP because I don't think we should be in the business of forcing other taxpayers to pay for other's contraception, healthcare, or abortions. Its not cause I don't like abortions or want to shackle the poor into religious destitution, but because it literally disgusts me that someone would feel they are entitled enough to use MY money which I earn to kill THEIR unborn child.

Hardly the vast christian right wing conspiracy you think of.

EDIT: If you're really in the catagorey of "the church wants to make masturbation a capital offense" then there really isn't much more to say to you.

I know what Fascism is and it has nothing to do with Ben Frnaklin's quote...

Typically not? Many things have changed since the 18th century and detecting the same types of threats requires almost completely different methodoligies.

Educating the public to keep them from over reacting and demanding things based on emotion... Not sure how this applies either... The public are not the ones that implemented these new procedures.

You didn't answer what should be done in place of the TSA's current procedures. You just said it's been answered before somewhere else...

So is education the key to what now, preventing the American people from being taken advantage of? Do you have a plan to increase education standards and requirements? Do you have a strategy on how to implement and pay for that? Can you gaurantee that it will be effective?

It's funny because so many of the "I don't want my money spent on abortions" types are also advocates of abstinence-only sex-education programs.

I'll say it again... PP does not pay for abortions with tax payer money... they are required by law to keep it seperate.

As for birth control pills as a contraceptive idc if medical covers it or not... but birth control pills has also been prescribed for patients for many other things medically related as well so in that case I feel it should be covered by your insurance.

So in other words you'd rather have your tax dollars go towards the support, education, healthcare, and welfare of THEIR unwanted child. You must be some kind of saint. I'd rather just pay for the abortion.

Well obviously you won't need to get rid of the fetuses because there won't be any thanks to such a stringent and successfully regulated sex education system!

Wait...Are you talking about the mandatory ultrasound before a "yay" or "nay" on an abortion?

What's funny (sad) is that the ones that are so against abortion are usually the ones complaining about how too many people are on welfare and can't take care of their kids and asking why they have so many... well they got pregnant and you didn't want me to get rid of them so here we are...

It baffles me that people are opposed to free contraceptives! Because paying for a multitude of welfare babies is the right solution?


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