How Christians Can Make The World A Better Place
How Christians can Make the World a Better Place
these threads are the reason i almost never post anymore.
Ragnarok.Hevans said: »
these threads are the reason i almost never post anymore.
Just curious, but why?
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Do you think that if Religion never existed that slavery would never have existed?
Edit: not trying to condone anything here, just curious.
Edit: not trying to condone anything here, just curious.
Which religion? There are many which do not promote slavery. My argument is that the monotheisms acted as a catalyst for slavery, making the practice harder to root out and a reason for the atrocities of the age of exploration among less well known acts of slavery like the cruelties against the pagans of Eastern Europe. They too were driven into slavery if we want to avoid the stereotypical african/native american slave trading.
It'd have been very difficult for people to do what they did during that time had the Bible (the only book most even knew) been strict against imprisonment and ownership of foreigners.
Christianity spread slavery precisely because of what was written in the text and tied 'morally sound' to the concept of person ownership. When you teach peasants that ownership of slaves/indentured servants by the upper classes is something God condones then you breed whole generations of people who feel nothing is wrong with the practice and that your lot in life is simply your lot in life. Slaves are meant to be slaves, masters are meant to be masters and God's will runs the whole machine.
Had the authors outlawed slavery like they did for homosexuality we'd have had a very different Christian world emerge, one that would have learned to respect it's fellow man much earlier than it eventually did. The Bible spends so much time on other topics that you'd think time would have been spent time explaining to people "owning another human being is wrong. wrong. wrong."
Half the reason people around the world are Christian (among other faiths) is because the religion drove a sword through those who resisted, enslaved those who bent a knee and their descendants today have long forgotten what happened to their people when religion came knocking.
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it's the same damn thing every time. it doesn't go anywhere. it's the same argument with a couple of new faces. it's just gonna turn into nitpicking each others post without anything being accomplished. not that i look at the forums as a place to be productive... i just think it's stupid to mock and argue with people over their belief or lack of.
*Edit* i'm also sick of people using the bible to disprove god. as if everyone who believes in god follows the bible 100%.
*Edit* i'm also sick of people using the bible to disprove god. as if everyone who believes in god follows the bible 100%.
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Ragnarok.Hevans said: »
it's the same damn thing every time. it doesn't go anywhere. it's the same argument with a couple of new faces. it's just gonna turn into nitpicking each others post without anything being accomplished. not that i look at the forums as a place to be productive... i just think it's stupid to mock and argue with people over their belief or lack of.
I've been only reading this one on and off and not backreading because I'm lazy that way, but I really haven't noticed it with this one. There's a couple differences with it.
Most religious threads start off with someone posting something dumb that some religious extremists did *this time.* Then non-religious folks jump on it and say "Look here, this is why religious is bad" and religious folks come in and say "No no these fruitcakes don't represent me, that's not how my personal faith rolls." And then we have a grand mud-slinging time until a mod comes in and chills us out.
This thread, however, started with a religious person saying "Look here, this is what Christians are supposed to act like, so please make an effort." Of course there were negative responses but it never ranged into the barbaric and uncivilized realm of name-calling and mud-slinging. It's more people exploring their beliefs and discussing things to understand each other's viewpoint better. (From what I've seen, anyhow, keeping in mind that I did not read all 19 pages.)
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Asura.Bartimaeus said: »
Ragnarok.Hevans said: »
it's the same damn thing every time. it doesn't go anywhere. it's the same argument with a couple of new faces. it's just gonna turn into nitpicking each others post without anything being accomplished. not that i look at the forums as a place to be productive... i just think it's stupid to mock and argue with people over their belief or lack of.
But people want to argue that discussion is good for the human race! I mean.. it is but they refuse to look at precedent.. at actual history in this itsy bity tiny teeny microcosm and say "hey.. maybe not here because..wow.. its the same old going nowhere"...
Or you know ... someone could chime in with another "intelligent" and "reasonable" response instead. I'm sure that undercuts my argument completely..
even the most eloquently written and knowledgeable post is wasted on these threads. when you're dealing with religion, you should just give up trying to disprove something. none of them care about the evidence or lack of evidence.
also, when you're dealing with forums... well all the mean, bickering, and disgusting things people would keep themselves from saying irl come pouring out. it's not pretty... and i hate looking at it.
Odin.Liela said: »
Ragnarok.Hevans said: »
it's the same damn thing every time. it doesn't go anywhere. it's the same argument with a couple of new faces. it's just gonna turn into nitpicking each others post without anything being accomplished. not that i look at the forums as a place to be productive... i just think it's stupid to mock and argue with people over their belief or lack of.
I've been only reading this one on and off and not backreading because I'm lazy that way, but I really haven't noticed it with this one. There's a couple differences with it.
Most religious threads start off with someone posting something dumb that some religious extremists did *this time.* Then non-religious folks jump on it and say "Look here, this is why religious is bad" and religious folks come in and say "No no these fruitcakes don't represent me, that's not how my personal faith rolls." And then we have a grand mud-slinging time until a mod comes in and chills us out.
This thread, however, started with a religious person saying "Look here, this is what Christians are supposed to act like, so please make an effort." Of course there were negative responses but it never ranged into the barbaric and uncivilized realm of name-calling and mud-slinging. It's more people exploring their beliefs and discussing things to understand each other's viewpoint better. (From what I've seen, anyhow, keeping in mind that I did not read all 19 pages.)
Are there conversations on topics that aren't cyclical? Within FFXIAH you've got the general boards with news that descends quickly into anti-SE vs pro-SE, job boards with the same questions retread infinitely (what should I use? X or Y?), chatterbox is usually random topics that come 'round in circles among frequent reminiscing of old goodies like FFVII, 80s/90s cartoons/music/pop culture and of course the advice threads like "what kind of girl/guy interests you?"
Did I mention sports threads? lol.
Did I mention sports threads? lol.
Odin.Liela said: »
Ragnarok.Hevans said: »
it's the same damn thing every time. it doesn't go anywhere. it's the same argument with a couple of new faces. it's just gonna turn into nitpicking each others post without anything being accomplished. not that i look at the forums as a place to be productive... i just think it's stupid to mock and argue with people over their belief or lack of.
I've been only reading this one on and off and not backreading because I'm lazy that way, but I really haven't noticed it with this one. There's a couple differences with it.
Most religious threads start off with someone posting something dumb that some religious extremists did *this time.* Then non-religious folks jump on it and say "Look here, this is why religious is bad" and religious folks come in and say "No no these fruitcakes don't represent me, that's not how my personal faith rolls." And then we have a grand mud-slinging time until a mod comes in and chills us out.
This thread, however, started with a religious person saying "Look here, this is what Christians are supposed to act like, so please make an effort." Of course there were negative responses but it never ranged into the barbaric and uncivilized realm of name-calling and mud-slinging. It's more people exploring their beliefs and discussing things to understand each other's viewpoint better. (From what I've seen, anyhow, keeping in mind that I did not read all 19 pages.)
i haven't read every post in here either. nor will i. i know i'm ignorant to blanket all of these threads together, and i don't think anyone is inherently bad when posting in these threads. it's just that they all end up being theists defending themselves from atheists. people just go into attack mode and want to take aim at the basic building blocks of someones life. it just seems if people were as smart and as sensible as they claim to be, they could find a way to move past trying to "show someone how dumb they are".
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Are there conversations on topics that aren't cyclical? Within FFXIAH you've got the general boards with news that descends quickly into anti-SE vs pro-SE, job boards with the same questions retread infinitely (what should I use? X or Y?), chatterbox is usually random topics that come 'round in circles among frequent reminiscing of old goodies like FFVII, 80s/90s cartoons/music/pop culture and of course the advice threads like "what kind of girl/guy interests you?"
Did I mention sports threads? lol.
Did I mention sports threads? lol.
i actually like the what kind of guy/girl interests you thread. there were a lot of good questions/answers in that. it was a collective discussion about attraction and human nature.
I'll take mocking and condescending over violence anyday.
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Ragnarok.Hevans said: »
it's the same damn thing every time. it doesn't go anywhere. it's the same argument with a couple of new faces. it's just gonna turn into nitpicking each others post without anything being accomplished. not that i look at the forums as a place to be productive... i just think it's stupid to mock and argue with people over their belief or lack of.
*Edit* i'm also sick of people using the bible to disprove god. as if everyone who believes in god follows the bible 100%.
*Edit* i'm also sick of people using the bible to disprove god. as if everyone who believes in god follows the bible 100%.
But, thats ok. Because sometimes the new faces learn something. Even if its only how to argue back at a certain point, at least it will make them more interesting in the future.
Also these threads are a great way to blow off time when your bored.
Ragnarok.Hevans said: »
it's the same damn thing every time. it doesn't go anywhere. it's the same argument with a couple of new faces. it's just gonna turn into nitpicking each others post without anything being accomplished. not that i look at the forums as a place to be productive... i just think it's stupid to mock and argue with people over their belief or lack of.
*Edit* i'm also sick of people using the bible to disprove god. as if everyone who believes in god follows the bible 100%.
*Edit* i'm also sick of people using the bible to disprove god. as if everyone who believes in god follows the bible 100%.
Hev, I'm sorry you feel that way.
This thread has been pretty tame by religion thread standards, and Daemun had great intentions. Krizz booted the biting ones. There's nothing wrong with a better understanding whether religious or secular. There's nothing wrong with thinking expansively.
Now, I won't say that I don't get steamed in these threads too, but the drive-by, braying jackasses are the only ones who really frustrate me. The regulars can have a stimulating conversation about religion without any animosity. Most of us can goof of on other threads and be completely fine.
This is why I enjoy these threads...
zahrah said: »
Whether we like to admit it or not, ALL religion is fascinating in the historical, sociological, and psychological sense.
PS Nobody should fear the Biblical or Zombie Apocalypse. There is something more pressing in our midst. Sparth knows what's up!
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even than zombie apocalyspe?
Siren.Inuyushi said: »
Also, I don't know if you knew this or not but Neosutra used to be in seminary.
I would like to hear why s/he left.
zahrah said: »
Whether we like to admit it or not, ALL religion is fascinating in the historical, sociological, and psychological sense.
Not saying religion itself is like a car accident... but it sure as hell can cause em, but so do other things as well.
I think I got a little lost in that metaphor.
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
zahrah said: »
Whether we like to admit it or not, ALL religion is fascinating in the historical, sociological, and psychological sense.
Not saying religion itself is like a car accident... but it sure as hell can cause em, but so do other things as well.
I think I got a little lost in that metaphor.
Every religion thread on this site is like a bad car accident. You know its gonna be bad, but you can't just look away.
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zahrah said: »
Siren.Inuyushi said: »
Also, I don't know if you knew this or not but Neosutra used to be in seminary.
I would like to hear why s/he left.
Lots of research into any specific religion (that comes from seminary) typically leads to atheism, as you find out that 99% of what you believed isn't actually true and that the majority of the major concepts are misinterpretations of mistranslations, or simply made up.
The Hebrew people weren't even monotheistic until they met the Hittites, and don't get me started on where the new testament compilation actually came from (300 years AD, Justinius, etc etc).
Seminary turned me into an agnostic, not knowing what to believe, as everything Daemun is spouting here is essentially *** and not even a reflection of the actual records (and mostly forged/mistranslated at that).
What turned me into an atheist is my higher education in Physics and Biology. I was able to spend years researching the current theories and see just what evidence we have. It also allowed me to develop more critical analytical skills which make ALL theistic arguments trivially absurd.
All in all, I'm not here to change Daemun's mind. That's not my job. I just wanted to point out to other people that while people like Daemun believe they're doing a service to the world, there very core idealogies are based on an idea that everyone that thinks differently deserves torture for all eternity.
So with that as his core principles, he's a gigantic hypocrite for making a thread asking for love and acceptance. Until he changes that belief, he'll never change any of ours.
That's the reason you get so much hate when you make a "thread of love" Daemun. Because it's like Newt Gingrich making a thread on marital bliss.
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What is this Seminary you speak of?
Guess I'll have to wiki it later.
Ya it changes your perspective when you realize most of the old testament is completely inaccurate in it's translation and most of the accurate stories were borrowed from other religions.
Oh, I bet Daemun thought Jesus was real too lol:
The old mythologies were based on constellations. It's amazing that you're worshiping a figure that most likely didn't even exist lol.
Oh, I bet Daemun thought Jesus was real too lol:
The old mythologies were based on constellations. It's amazing that you're worshiping a figure that most likely didn't even exist lol.
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