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How Christians can Make the World a Better Place
 Caitsith.Sai
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-19 16:00:31
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Value only exists in the mind and once the mind is gone the concept of value is lost.
Your atoms existed before they were you. They exist after you. You're just a spot along the way for them, but we dont add to them or take away.
Once we are gone and forgotten by the universe our having ever existed at all becomes absolutely meaningless.
My atoms existed before me and will exist after I'm fertilizer for the ground. I will continue 'exist' (in the atomic sense) as whatever my components go onto becoming. Though I may only be 'a spot on the way', it's fascinating to know that I could go on to become just about anything. That's value from my perspective correct and to whatever beings that come long after man who reach that same realization.
Again, its not the ideal afterlife where I'm bathed in bliss but that's the cycle of life for you.
Kinda of a pointless argument here but oh well.
The atoms arent you, you are the atoms. Any sense of "you" will be lost.
Its a sad story.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-19 16:02:40
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »I'm saying that just because the puddle fits in the pothole--which happens because the pothole is an ideal condition for the puddle--doesn't mean that someone put the pothole there so the puddle could exist. A pothole is also an anomaly in what should be a road and (disregard towns that have terrible maintenance) gets fixed. Why then, out of a chaotic rest of the universe, has our 'pothole' not been 'fixed'
B/c the Earth isnt broken. It is the way it is b/c it happened that way and life began and adapted to the conditions that existed. The earth in and of itself isn't broken, but it is a broken part of a self correcting universe. The universe is ever changing, reshaping itself constantly. The life that inhabits the earth effects the surroundings of it, and therefore, are broken. We don't follow the normal rules that apply to the rest of the universe (mass/gravity, speed/heat collision/renewal). We are changing the environment that makes up Earth, we are sending mass filled objects in various directions of space. We would destroy rogue asteroids threatening our planet. All of these things interrupt the natural process in motion within the universe. With that said, if we aren't being looked after, why hasn't our existence been extinguished to restore solidarity to the universe?
By zahrah 2012-01-19 16:03:00
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Sorry about the delay. Busy busy today.
This is my personal outlook on it. I mean, I sway back in forth so much. I just refuse to believe that if there is a God that He would be such a vengeful and spiteful being.
If you subscribe to that then the people of the OT were liars? Maybe God really was as vengeful and wrathful as they claim but who knows? No one has any evidence to back anything up.
Could be? The flood story is in 'Gilgamesh'. There was a massive flood that took out the entire Phoenician civilization. Same thing to me. I mean, I think the OT is nothing but fear. Who knows? Leaders of whatever Hebraic tribe that adopted this story could have used it as a tool to promote fear and submission. I've wondered that many times.
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I prescribe to the notion that maybe, if there was a creator, it would be more "hands-off". I think that evolution, the Big Bang, etc. could be the set in place to keep human beings questioning their existence and their place in the universe. We have evolved this brain capacity that is far removed from other creatures within the animal kingdom. If our God is an all-knowing and intelligent being and we were created in His image, why wouldn't He put in place intellectual and profound obstacles for us conquer?
A hands-off God is not Christianity or any of its incarnations and you've ventured into the realm of pantheism, extraterrestrial origins (cue the Ancient Aliens dude), a simulated universe or a neverending cycle of universal booms created at one point by a God that has long since abandoned the project. Perhaps the universe was created by a malevolent entity, why would we not consider the possibility if we were being honest with ourselves?
They all hold equal possibility of being true but without evidence again we're back at square one of "we don't know". I think many people forget that there are atheists who reject the concept of mainstream religion but do actually believe this universe was created by an advanced civilization with such technology that they would be Gods compared to us.
Am I in that camp? No, but they have as much evidence as mainstream theists.
This is why I identify myself as agnostic. I wonder sometimes if this was all an abandoned project or an ant farm.
Christians could be wrong. What if the Hindus are right, and and this is just the current world? There were many before us and there will be many after. Stars explode all the time taking with them many planets. Shiva destroys, Vishnu preserves the world for the time being, and Brahma continuously makes new ones. That's just as sensible in terms of the Big Bang as the Catholic Church's acceptance of the Big Bang, right?
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Like I said before, there's just so much that has been warped in Biblical texts by man that it's for me hard to completely build a solid belief system around it.
If the text is corrupted and the entity refuses to interfere (with evidence, physical irrefutable evidence) then what can we infer about this entity?
LOL!
/shrug
That's one of the reasons why I can see this as all an abandoned project.
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-19 16:04:21
Yes, so what's wrong with going only slightly less than the speed of light? Nothing wrong with it, but as a percentage, the closer you get to light, the greater the energy needed. Also, in order to have mass approach infinity, atoms would have to expand. At that point you really aren't travelling, you are just expanding across the universe only to contract to a point in which you stop. It would be devastating to a life force.
No problem on the energy part. Dark Matter Engines say hi ^^
Also, you assume it would be devastating to a life force right? Since we havent sent anything that fast yet its only a guess.
I would say it's a fairly accurate guess, considering we couldn't even survive a re-entry into our own atmosphere which would be much, much, much less of an energetic event.
Moving through the near vacuum of space, speed doesnt have much if any effect on you, only when speed encounters something else.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-19 16:05:47
Yes, so what's wrong with going only slightly less than the speed of light? Nothing wrong with it, but as a percentage, the closer you get to light, the greater the energy needed. Also, in order to have mass approach infinity, atoms would have to expand. At that point you really aren't travelling, you are just expanding across the universe only to contract to a point in which you stop. It would be devastating to a life force.
No problem on the energy part. Dark Matter Engines say hi ^^
Also, you assume it would be devastating to a life force right? Since we havent sent anything that fast yet its only a guess.
I would say it's a fairly accurate guess, considering we couldn't even survive a re-entry into our own atmosphere which would be much, much, much less of an energetic event.
Moving through the near vacuum of space, speed doesnt have much if any effect on you, only when speed encounters something else.
You would agree that whatever vessel we were on would require a synthetic atmosphere correct?
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-19 16:06:53
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Yes, so what's wrong with going only slightly less than the speed of light? Nothing wrong with it, but as a percentage, the closer you get to light, the greater the energy needed. Also, in order to have mass approach infinity, atoms would have to expand. At that point you really aren't travelling, you are just expanding across the universe only to contract to a point in which you stop. It would be devastating to a life force.
No problem on the energy part. Dark Matter Engines say hi ^^
Also, you assume it would be devastating to a life force right? Since we havent sent anything that fast yet its only a guess.
Not only that, but as I'm to understand airplanes also used to be pretty harsh on the body, and rockets too, but we've developed technology to make the process easier on us. It was more or less acceleration and air pressure. We have found ways to both pressurize the cabin and absorb most of the Gs from acceleration. How are we to build ways to absorb the effects of exponential increases in mass, when the vessel we would travel in would have the same problems?
By Nevill 2012-01-19 16:06:59
As I said before, value is a very subjective term. What is considered to have "value" is very debatable.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-19 16:08:36
Yes, so what's wrong with going only slightly less than the speed of light? Nothing wrong with it, but as a percentage, the closer you get to light, the greater the energy needed. Also, in order to have mass approach infinity, atoms would have to expand. At that point you really aren't travelling, you are just expanding across the universe only to contract to a point in which you stop. It would be devastating to a life force.
No problem on the energy part. Dark Matter Engines say hi ^^
Also, you assume it would be devastating to a life force right? Since we havent sent anything that fast yet its only a guess.
I would say it's a fairly accurate guess, considering we couldn't even survive a re-entry into our own atmosphere which would be much, much, much less of an energetic event.
Moving through the near vacuum of space, speed doesnt have much if any effect on you, only when speed encounters something else. It would definitely take a different technology than we have today, as kinetic expulsion from a rocket is an inefficient means of acceleration in a body that is a near vacuum with nearly 0 atmosphere or resistive matter.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-19 16:09:33
Yes, so what's wrong with going only slightly less than the speed of light? Nothing wrong with it, but as a percentage, the closer you get to light, the greater the energy needed. Also, in order to have mass approach infinity, atoms would have to expand. At that point you really aren't travelling, you are just expanding across the universe only to contract to a point in which you stop. It would be devastating to a life force.
No problem on the energy part. Dark Matter Engines say hi ^^
Also, you assume it would be devastating to a life force right? Since we havent sent anything that fast yet its only a guess.
I would say it's a fairly accurate guess, considering we couldn't even survive a re-entry into our own atmosphere which would be much, much, much less of an energetic event.
Moving through the near vacuum of space, speed doesnt have much if any effect on you, only when speed encounters something else. It would definitely take a different technology than we have today, as kinetic expulsion from a rocket is an inefficient means of acceleration in a body that is a near vacuum with nearly 0 atmosphere or resistive matter.
I read this a lot, but this throws me through a loop, could we expand on this, because as of right now thrust is still viable in a vacuum.
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-19 16:09:58
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »I'm saying that just because the puddle fits in the pothole--which happens because the pothole is an ideal condition for the puddle--doesn't mean that someone put the pothole there so the puddle could exist. A pothole is also an anomaly in what should be a road and (disregard towns that have terrible maintenance) gets fixed. Why then, out of a chaotic rest of the universe, has our 'pothole' not been 'fixed'
B/c the Earth isnt broken. It is the way it is b/c it happened that way and life began and adapted to the conditions that existed. The earth in and of itself isn't broken, but it is a broken part of a self correcting universe. The universe is ever changing, reshaping itself constantly. The life that inhabits the earth effects the surroundings of it, and therefore, are broken. We don't follow the normal rules that apply to the rest of the universe (mass/gravity, speed/heat collision/renewal). We are changing the environment that makes up Earth, we are sending mass filled objects in various directions of space. We would destroy rogue asteroids threatening our planet. All of these things interrupt the natural process in motion within the universe. With that said, if we aren't being looked after, why hasn't our existence been extinguished to restore solidarity to the universe?
Whoa lol. The universe isnt a conscience thing. Its a place.
What your saying is that the universe somehow is detecting us and God has to save us b/c the universe is mad that we do stuff.
I would say that I dont believe that events in the universe happen for a reason but simply happen because natural processes lead them to happen.
So I dont think there is any order of things for us to disrupt,
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-01-19 16:10:04
Kinda of a pointless argument here but oh well.
The atoms arent you, you are the atoms. Any sense of "you" will be lost.
Its a sad story.
And I said this already.
Can I not recognize the building blocks that make me up will go on to become something else once I cease to exist? Maybe my components will make up a cockroach, a wall for a school building or even components for a computer.
It's anything but a sad story really. It's life and that we're just one part of a cycle.
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-19 16:13:28
Yes, so what's wrong with going only slightly less than the speed of light? Nothing wrong with it, but as a percentage, the closer you get to light, the greater the energy needed. Also, in order to have mass approach infinity, atoms would have to expand. At that point you really aren't travelling, you are just expanding across the universe only to contract to a point in which you stop. It would be devastating to a life force.
No problem on the energy part. Dark Matter Engines say hi ^^
Also, you assume it would be devastating to a life force right? Since we havent sent anything that fast yet its only a guess.
I would say it's a fairly accurate guess, considering we couldn't even survive a re-entry into our own atmosphere which would be much, much, much less of an energetic event.
Moving through the near vacuum of space, speed doesnt have much if any effect on you, only when speed encounters something else.
You would agree that whatever vessel we were on would require a synthetic atmosphere correct?
Not necessarily. Is it going to be a vessel that goes through space slowly, or one that moves close to the speed of light?
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-19 16:15:31
Yes, so what's wrong with going only slightly less than the speed of light? Nothing wrong with it, but as a percentage, the closer you get to light, the greater the energy needed. Also, in order to have mass approach infinity, atoms would have to expand. At that point you really aren't travelling, you are just expanding across the universe only to contract to a point in which you stop. It would be devastating to a life force.
No problem on the energy part. Dark Matter Engines say hi ^^
Also, you assume it would be devastating to a life force right? Since we havent sent anything that fast yet its only a guess.
I would say it's a fairly accurate guess, considering we couldn't even survive a re-entry into our own atmosphere which would be much, much, much less of an energetic event.
Moving through the near vacuum of space, speed doesnt have much if any effect on you, only when speed encounters something else.
You would agree that whatever vessel we were on would require a synthetic atmosphere correct?
Not necessarily. Is it going to be a vessel that goes through space slowly, or one that moves close to the speed of light?
For us to, considering our current understandings, move towards another habitable planet, it would be best to assume it was close to the speed of light.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-19 16:17:15
Here is another question I have. I am of the impression that atheists don't believe in God and don't believe in ghosts.
Let's say tomorrow someone was able to prove without a doubt that ghosts exist. Would that make you more inclined to believe in God or less, and reasons.
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-19 16:17:58
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Kinda of a pointless argument here but oh well.
The atoms arent you, you are the atoms. Any sense of "you" will be lost.
Its a sad story.
And I said this already.
Can I not recognize the building blocks that make me up will go on to become something else once I cease to exist? Maybe my components will make up a cockroach, a wall for a school building or even components for a computer.
It's anything but a sad story really. It's life and that we're just one part of a cycle.
Absolutely, we can all recognize that. But that doesnt give your life value, as the atoms that will become whatever it is they will become dont need you or I to become them.
Is it hard for even the non religious to accept that in the end, none of us ever actually meant anything?
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-19 16:20:01
Yes, so what's wrong with going only slightly less than the speed of light? Nothing wrong with it, but as a percentage, the closer you get to light, the greater the energy needed. Also, in order to have mass approach infinity, atoms would have to expand. At that point you really aren't travelling, you are just expanding across the universe only to contract to a point in which you stop. It would be devastating to a life force.
No problem on the energy part. Dark Matter Engines say hi ^^
Also, you assume it would be devastating to a life force right? Since we havent sent anything that fast yet its only a guess.
I would say it's a fairly accurate guess, considering we couldn't even survive a re-entry into our own atmosphere which would be much, much, much less of an energetic event.
Moving through the near vacuum of space, speed doesnt have much if any effect on you, only when speed encounters something else.
You would agree that whatever vessel we were on would require a synthetic atmosphere correct?
Not necessarily. Is it going to be a vessel that goes through space slowly, or one that moves close to the speed of light?
For us to, considering our current understandings, move towards another habitable planet, it would be best to assume it was close to the speed of light.
Then you need nothing in the vessel. As you approach the speed of light, time slows down. To those inside the vessel the travel, regardless of the distance would be near instantaneous.
By Nevill 2012-01-19 16:20:28
Mass Relay, GO!
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By Bismarck.Luces 2012-01-19 16:22:26
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Value only exists in the mind and once the mind is gone the concept of value is lost.
Your atoms existed before they were you. They exist after you. You're just a spot along the way for them, but we dont add to them or take away.
Once we are gone and forgotten by the universe our having ever existed at all becomes absolutely meaningless.
My atoms existed before me and will exist after I'm fertilizer for the ground. I will continue 'exist' (in the atomic sense) as whatever my components go onto becoming. Though I may only be 'a spot on the way', it's fascinating to know that I could go on to become just about anything. That's value from my perspective correct and to whatever beings that come long after man who reach that same realization.
Again, its not the ideal afterlife where I'm bathed in bliss but that's the cycle of life for you.
"someday you will die, and someone's or something's will steal your carbon, Someday something will die, and somehow you will figure out how often, you will somehow and somethings going to steal your carbon, someday you will die, and someone's or something's will steal your carbon." to quote Modest Mouse
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By Lakshmi.Jesi 2012-01-19 16:24:20
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Kinda of a pointless argument here but oh well.
The atoms arent you, you are the atoms. Any sense of "you" will be lost.
Its a sad story.
And I said this already.
Can I not recognize the building blocks that make me up will go on to become something else once I cease to exist? Maybe my components will make up a cockroach, a wall for a school building or even components for a computer.
It's anything but a sad story really. It's life and that we're just one part of a cycle.
Even the particles making up atoms will decay at some point, even if it's a very very long time in the future.
Unless the big crunch turns them back into energy or the big rip pulls them apart first. Anyway you look at it, everything "dies" at some point.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-19 16:24:45
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »I'm saying that just because the puddle fits in the pothole--which happens because the pothole is an ideal condition for the puddle--doesn't mean that someone put the pothole there so the puddle could exist. A pothole is also an anomaly in what should be a road and (disregard towns that have terrible maintenance) gets fixed. Why then, out of a chaotic rest of the universe, has our 'pothole' not been 'fixed'
B/c the Earth isnt broken. It is the way it is b/c it happened that way and life began and adapted to the conditions that existed. The earth in and of itself isn't broken, but it is a broken part of a self correcting universe. The universe is ever changing, reshaping itself constantly. The life that inhabits the earth effects the surroundings of it, and therefore, are broken. We don't follow the normal rules that apply to the rest of the universe (mass/gravity, speed/heat collision/renewal). We are changing the environment that makes up Earth, we are sending mass filled objects in various directions of space. We would destroy rogue asteroids threatening our planet. All of these things interrupt the natural process in motion within the universe. With that said, if we aren't being looked after, why hasn't our existence been extinguished to restore solidarity to the universe?
Whoa lol. The universe isnt a conscience thing. Its a place.
What your saying is that the universe somehow is detecting us and God has to save us b/c the universe is mad that we do stuff.
I would say that I dont believe that events in the universe happen for a reason but simply happen because natural processes lead them to happen.
So I dont think there is any order of things for us to disrupt, I'm saying in automatic systems, things that are abnormal get snuffed out. It has nothing to do with the universe being conscious, it has to do with us trying to hold up a 20000000 lbs weight that should be resting on the ground. The weight isn't 'trying' to do anything, but sooner or later we are going to be pancakes.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-19 16:26:41
Absolutely, we can all recognize that. But that doesnt give your life value, as the atoms that will become whatever it is they will become dont need you or I to become them.
Is it hard for even the non religious to accept that in the end, none of us ever actually meant anything? Powerful statement.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-19 16:28:56
Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »not what I expected coming here today, interesting. Propulsion will definitely have to move away from general combustion concepts if we plan to travel at speeds high enough to go plausible distances
I've always thought of it like this: We know we can send energy huge distances very easily. Forcing light for example to travel would be much easier to send actual matter so if we could find a way to convert matter to energy maybe we'd be able to somehow make a system in which we can send almost anything at the speed of light(energy) to places.
Imagine setting up this technology on mars or something and then we could move matter there at the speed of light, as energy etc then convert it back to matter upon arriving. And yeah I know this whole concept is small minded compared to the side of the galaxy but still, progress. If you can break the law of "no matter can be destroyed or created" for your example... and we 'destroy' matter to make it pure energy, then capture that energy to create matter again, is what we create going to be the same thing? If we shoot a table through space a few hundred million light years, then recreate it, will it be a table? How much more complex would it be to do that with a living organism?
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-19 16:29:59
Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Kinda of a pointless argument here but oh well.
The atoms arent you, you are the atoms. Any sense of "you" will be lost.
Its a sad story.
And I said this already.
Can I not recognize the building blocks that make me up will go on to become something else once I cease to exist? Maybe my components will make up a cockroach, a wall for a school building or even components for a computer.
It's anything but a sad story really. It's life and that we're just one part of a cycle.
Absolutely, we can all recognize that. But that doesnt give your life value, as the atoms that will become whatever it is they will become dont need you or I to become them.
Is it hard for even the non religious to accept that in the end, none of us ever actually meant anything? a friend of mine (who isnt religious) came up with a theory that God is actually the atom. We are all composed in his image and he cannot be created or destroyed while god exists in all life and all matter.
But then space would be hell I guess lol Dark Matter. It is the single universal destroyer of matter.
QUADRUPLE post ftl
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-19 16:31:07
Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »not what I expected coming here today, interesting. Propulsion will definitely have to move away from general combustion concepts if we plan to travel at speeds high enough to go plausible distances
I've always thought of it like this: We know we can send energy huge distances very easily. Forcing light for example to travel would be much easier to send actual matter so if we could find a way to convert matter to energy maybe we'd be able to somehow make a system in which we can send almost anything at the speed of light(energy) to places.
Imagine setting up this technology on mars or something and then we could move matter there at the speed of light, as energy etc then convert it back to matter upon arriving. And yeah I know this whole concept is small minded compared to the side of the galaxy but still, progress. If you can break the law of "no matter can be destroyed or created" for your example... and we 'destroy' matter to make it pure energy, then capture that energy to create matter again, is what we create going to be the same thing? If we shoot a table through space a few hundred million light years, then recreate it, will it be a table? How much more complex would it be to do that with a living organism?
I am going out on a limb here, but I would say we already have proven that matter can be converted to energy, just not destroyed. I mean when you think about it, a nuclear weapon is doing just that.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-19 16:33:31
Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »not what I expected coming here today, interesting. Propulsion will definitely have to move away from general combustion concepts if we plan to travel at speeds high enough to go plausible distances
I've always thought of it like this: We know we can send energy huge distances very easily. Forcing light for example to travel would be much easier to send actual matter so if we could find a way to convert matter to energy maybe we'd be able to somehow make a system in which we can send almost anything at the speed of light(energy) to places.
Imagine setting up this technology on mars or something and then we could move matter there at the speed of light, as energy etc then convert it back to matter upon arriving. And yeah I know this whole concept is small minded compared to the side of the galaxy but still, progress. If you can break the law of "no matter can be destroyed or created" for your example... and we 'destroy' matter to make it pure energy, then capture that energy to create matter again, is what we create going to be the same thing? If we shoot a table through space a few hundred million light years, then recreate it, will it be a table? How much more complex would it be to do that with a living organism?
I am going out on a limb here, but I would say we already have proven that matter can be converted to energy, just not destroyed. I mean when you think about it, a nuclear weapon is doing just that. Once that energy slows down (we haven't figured out how to turn energy back into matter at this point but let's fancy it for the time being), and becomes matter again; how sure are we that it will be the "same" matter? If I turn you into energy, then back into matter; there may be the same amount of matter I started with, but there is no guarantee "you" will still be here.
EDIT: This is where theism fills in the hole. If "you" aren't here any more, and technically that matter has different properties, you never existed, because the matter that now occupies the space that you once did is different. From a theological perspective, if what makes "you" isn't your physical matter, but your metaphysical soul, this theory doesn't irrevocate your existence.
By zahrah 2012-01-19 16:34:10
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »]cockroach
BLEH!!! You better hope your atoms don't end up on the bottom of someone's shoe.
"someday you will die, and someone's or something's will steal your carbon, Someday something will die, and somehow you will figure out how often, you will somehow and somethings going to steal your carbon, someday you will die, and someone's or something's will steal your carbon." to quote Modest Mouse
Good song!
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-19 16:35:15
Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »not what I expected coming here today, interesting. Propulsion will definitely have to move away from general combustion concepts if we plan to travel at speeds high enough to go plausible distances
I've always thought of it like this: We know we can send energy huge distances very easily. Forcing light for example to travel would be much easier to send actual matter so if we could find a way to convert matter to energy maybe we'd be able to somehow make a system in which we can send almost anything at the speed of light(energy) to places.
Imagine setting up this technology on mars or something and then we could move matter there at the speed of light, as energy etc then convert it back to matter upon arriving. And yeah I know this whole concept is small minded compared to the side of the galaxy but still, progress. If you can break the law of "no matter can be destroyed or created" for your example... and we 'destroy' matter to make it pure energy, then capture that energy to create matter again, is what we create going to be the same thing? If we shoot a table through space a few hundred million light years, then recreate it, will it be a table? How much more complex would it be to do that with a living organism?
I am going out on a limb here, but I would say we already have proven that matter can be converted to energy, just not destroyed. I mean when you think about it, a nuclear weapon is doing just that. Once that energy slows down (we haven't figured out how to turn energy back into matter at this point but let's fancy it for the time being), and becomes matter again; how sure are we that it will be the "same" matter? If I turn you into energy, then back into matter; there may be the same amount of matter I started with, but there is no guarantee "you" will still be here.
I agree with your points on it, we are way too far behind technology wise to accomplish any of this. I just think we are currently at a point in which we can state it can be done, but we can't do it.
These are commandments in the Bible for Christians to act in our world. They were part of a lesson at my church two Sundays ago. I am not a fan of the 'if God weren't real' hypothetical situation myself, but taking that stance, let's look at the following.
Quote: James 1:27-Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. Quote: Ephesians 4:32-Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you. Quote: Matthew 7:1-4-Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Quote: Acts 2:43-44-Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. Quote: Galatians 5:22-23-But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Now, with those verses stated; I am no supporter of taking things out of context to obscure the truth of a passage, as you all know. I am not taking these things out of context to prove some hair brained, conjured truth. No, I am picking these verses as a challenge to all whom may read this that call themselves Christians. Do these things in your daily walk. If you do nothing else, do these things out of Love. Pure, unbiased, selfless love.
I think it is fairly safe to assume that theists and non theists alike can agree that if all proclaimed Christians did these simple tasks; cared for the orphaned and widowed, sold their possessions to take care of the needy, be kind and forgiving, be non-judgmental, and produce the fruits of the spirit: that each Christian would leave this world a better place than they came into it. Remove entirely the possibility of God's existence, or an eternal life. Simply look at those works, and the innate selflessness built into them. Would this world not be better?
With that said, here is my basis for the love message I have been so adamant about lately. It is also the basis in which I tie every facet of my belief and life unto.
Quote: 1 Corinthians 13-If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.
This is the second covenant God created with man. It is no longer about following certain, strict rules for fear of hell. It is about a lifestyle that all thoughts and actions are derived from love. Doing things out of love for others makes those things not a sin. It is no longer the action, but the reason behind the action. 1 Corinthians goes on a few more verses to discuss love further. I think it would be good for theists and non alike to at least read up until 13:13.
I plead to you, community of FFXIAH, to hold me accountable to all things of these verses in what I do and say on here. If I am outside of the realm of these, please let me know and I will apologize and correct accordingly. I challenge all other Christians to stick to these tenants as well, and you can bet that I will (out of love) hold you accountable.
If you tl;dr, I'm sorry it wasn't worth your time. If you did read, I am open to your thoughts and criticisms.
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