Presidential Candidates .. Who Do You Like?
Presidential Candidates .. Who do you like?
In any event I don't see the argument that person a pays x tax rate, and person b pays y tax rate as being unfair as an argument that works. Tax rates should reflect what people can pay, and what they owe; simply saying the fact that one person makes a lot of money and pays x and another person makes less money and pays y doesn't really get at the heart of the matter.
You guys see Newt is getting sued for copyright infringment? He was using "eye of the tiger" on his campaign trail without consent lol...
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
You guys see Newt is getting sued for copyright infringment? He was using "eye of the tiger" on his campaign trail without consent lol...
Newt is an egotistical psychopath who thinks he is above everyone and everything.
His only redeeming factor so far is that he wants to build moon bases, which of course is bad ***.
Caitsith.Sai said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
You guys see Newt is getting sued for copyright infringment? He was using "eye of the tiger" on his campaign trail without consent lol...
Newt is an egotistical psychopath who thinks he is above everyone and everything.
His only redeeming factor so far is that he wants to build moon bases, which of course is bad ***.
Indeed.
We need to explore space!!!
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Caitsith.Sai said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
You guys see Newt is getting sued for copyright infringment? He was using "eye of the tiger" on his campaign trail without consent lol...
Newt is an egotistical psychopath who thinks he is above everyone and everything.
His only redeeming factor so far is that he wants to build moon bases, which of course is bad ***.
Indeed.
We need to explore space!!!
Well, I think we do a decent job of exploring it through looking, but we dont have a realistic way to travel in space yet.
Caitsith.Sai said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Caitsith.Sai said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
You guys see Newt is getting sued for copyright infringment? He was using "eye of the tiger" on his campaign trail without consent lol...
Newt is an egotistical psychopath who thinks he is above everyone and everything.
His only redeeming factor so far is that he wants to build moon bases, which of course is bad ***.
Indeed.
We need to explore space!!!
Well, I think we do a decent job of exploring it through looking, but we dont have a realistic way to travel in space yet.
Well I meant we need to not shut down our space program. AKA we shouldn't be relying on other nation's rockets to get our guys in space. Also a moon base is just the first step, there's too many possibilities to be content on this rock, or to wait until we solve all our problems before we take this venture.
Well Obama is about to send me 1,000 dollars just for furthering my education and not having a job.
Hey guys, stop reading this thread and get back to work making me money! Seriously. Oh and check that box that says you wanna donate to the government and give them more money so that Obama can hook it up even more.
Oh and if we somehow built moon bases, only the super rich would be able to go there. You know how much it costs to send a rocket into space? It wouldn't be like Total Recall with poor people living on Mars. Unless we shipped them all there.....
Hey guys, stop reading this thread and get back to work making me money! Seriously. Oh and check that box that says you wanna donate to the government and give them more money so that Obama can hook it up even more.
Oh and if we somehow built moon bases, only the super rich would be able to go there. You know how much it costs to send a rocket into space? It wouldn't be like Total Recall with poor people living on Mars. Unless we shipped them all there.....
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Caitsith.Sai said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Caitsith.Sai said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
You guys see Newt is getting sued for copyright infringment? He was using "eye of the tiger" on his campaign trail without consent lol...
Newt is an egotistical psychopath who thinks he is above everyone and everything.
His only redeeming factor so far is that he wants to build moon bases, which of course is bad ***.
Indeed.
We need to explore space!!!
Well, I think we do a decent job of exploring it through looking, but we dont have a realistic way to travel in space yet.
Well I meant we need to not shut down our space program. AKA we shouldn't be relying on other nation's rockets to get our guys in space. Also a moon base is just the first step, there's too many possibilities to be content on this rock, or to wait until we solve all our problems before we take this venture.
Completely agree.
But despite this, I cannot fathom supporting or voting for Newt.
Lakshmi.Jesi said: »
Oh and if we somehow built moon bases, only the super rich would be able to go there. You know how much it costs to send a rocket into space? It wouldn't be like Total Recall with poor people living on Mars. Unless we shipped them all there.....
Space elevator could possibly change the $ money problem.
And I fail to see why rich people would want to live on the moon.
Send the poor to colonize bro.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Caitsith.Sai said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Caitsith.Sai said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
You guys see Newt is getting sued for copyright infringment? He was using "eye of the tiger" on his campaign trail without consent lol...
Newt is an egotistical psychopath who thinks he is above everyone and everything.
His only redeeming factor so far is that he wants to build moon bases, which of course is bad ***.
Indeed.
We need to explore space!!!
Well, I think we do a decent job of exploring it through looking, but we dont have a realistic way to travel in space yet.
Well I meant we need to not shut down our space program. AKA we shouldn't be relying on other nation's rockets to get our guys in space. Also a moon base is just the first step, there's too many possibilities to be content on this rock, or to wait until we solve all our problems before we take this venture.
What is funny is that Obama didn't shut down NASA, he actually gave them more money! 6 billion increase over the next 5 years, starting in 2010.
The only thing he did was cancel the space launch to send more people to the moon. Because the project was just not going well at all.
Read about it here: NASA
Also the best way to explore space isn't with people, it's with unmanned flights. There is really no point in sending people up, especially when we can get all of the data we need from robots like the ones the rovers they sent to mars.
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well one up for Obama, but still we should have a base on the moon, if it's feasible.
there would be numerous benefits of data collection from the moon vs from the earth.
there would be numerous benefits of data collection from the moon vs from the earth.
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Obama said that 1% of the budget spent on foreign aid was nothing - about 1% is spent on space as well - remember that some foreign aid is given to dictators who support us, yes Gadaffi got money from our foreign aid program. The blowback from us giving a dictator money will surely come up in the future.
End, or greatly lessen foreign aid, instead use that money on space programs.
End, or greatly lessen foreign aid, instead use that money on space programs.
Lakshmi.Jesi said: »
Also the best way to explore space isn't with people, it's with unmanned flights. There is really no point in sending people up, especially when we can get all of the data we need from robots like the ones the rovers they sent to mars.
Robots are nowhere near the quality they would have to be at in order to be a satisfactory replacement to human explorers.
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Obama said that 1% of the budget spent on foreign aid was nothing - about 1% is spent on space as well - remember that some foreign aid is given to dictators who support us, yes Gadaffi got money from our foreign aid program. The blowback from us giving a dictator money will surely come up in the future.
End, or greatly lessen foreign aid, instead use that money on space programs.
End, or greatly lessen foreign aid, instead use that money on space programs.
I don't care about 2% of the budget, it's negligible.
You get the budget down as a whole then worry about wastes.
When fighting a dragon you don't cut off it's toe expecting it to help your situation.
Caitsith.Sai said: »
Lakshmi.Jesi said: »
Also the best way to explore space isn't with people, it's with unmanned flights. There is really no point in sending people up, especially when we can get all of the data we need from robots like the ones the rovers they sent to mars.
Robots are nowhere near the quality they would have to be at in order to be a satisfactory replacement to human explorers.
I'm usually the first to say replace human workers with electronics but even I agree with this.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Obama said that 1% of the budget spent on foreign aid was nothing - about 1% is spent on space as well - remember that some foreign aid is given to dictators who support us, yes Gadaffi got money from our foreign aid program. The blowback from us giving a dictator money will surely come up in the future.
End, or greatly lessen foreign aid, instead use that money on space programs.
End, or greatly lessen foreign aid, instead use that money on space programs.
I don't care about 2% of the budget, it's negligible.
You get the budget down as a whole then worry about wastes.
When fighting a dragon you don't cut off it's toe expecting it to help your situation.
Derp, while we were on the topic of space program, just giving my 2 cents, I didn't say that my idea would resolve the debt problem. Just that foreign aid is causing problems too, not always helping. It would be better for the government to stay out of it altogether.
If the citizens and businesses want to donate money for a cause, they should be free to do so. See Haiti and Japanese Tsunami.
I personally don't have an issue with foreign aid, but I can see your point.
but yeah, go space program.
but yeah, go space program.
I thought this article was interesting: Biggest Holders of US Government Debt
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
I thought this article was interesting: Biggest Holders of US Government Debt
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
I thought this article was interesting: Biggest Holders of US Government Debt
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
I thought this article was interesting: Biggest Holders of US Government Debt
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
No wonder why Ron Paul wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve System.
The question I always ask myself is what would happen after the Federal Reserve System gets abolished? Do we go back to a pure central bank which Alexander Hamilton fathered? Do we go back to the twice failed option of a gold standard? Or do we just barter and trade? Perhaps I've been brainwashed, however, I can't see a feasible way to support a long term economy (and government) without something like the Fed, given the history of economics.
I like this video if anyone is interested on how we went from a gold standard to fractional reserve banking.
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Not having a gold standard is fine, so long as you have a minimum of corruption, regulation so people don't inadvertently make really bad financial bets, and control of debt holders so no one holder gets too much power.
Of course, all those things - unfortunately, even with a gold standard those things can still happen, the mechanisms are just somewhat different.
Step 1: Remove massively corrupting money influences in politics
Step 2: Let politicians create a balanced budget plan
Step 3: Watch everything else work really, really well
I mean come on - if you have minimal debt, and you can keep to a budget, you're going to be living pretty damn well.
Of course, all those things - unfortunately, even with a gold standard those things can still happen, the mechanisms are just somewhat different.
Step 1: Remove massively corrupting money influences in politics
Step 2: Let politicians create a balanced budget plan
Step 3: Watch everything else work really, really well
I mean come on - if you have minimal debt, and you can keep to a budget, you're going to be living pretty damn well.
Valefor.Mithano said: »
Not having a gold standard is fine, so long as you have a minimum of corruption, regulation so people don't inadvertently make really bad financial bets, and control of debt holders so no one holder gets too much power.
Of course, all those things - unfortunately, even with a gold standard those things can still happen, the mechanisms are just somewhat different.
Step 1: Remove massively corrupting money influences in politics
Step 2: Let politicians create a balanced budget plan
Step 3: Watch everything else work really, really well
I mean come on - if you have minimal debt, and you can keep to a budget, you're going to be living pretty damn well.
Of course, all those things - unfortunately, even with a gold standard those things can still happen, the mechanisms are just somewhat different.
Step 1: Remove massively corrupting money influences in politics
Step 2: Let politicians create a balanced budget plan
Step 3: Watch everything else work really, really well
I mean come on - if you have minimal debt, and you can keep to a budget, you're going to be living pretty damn well.
i'd like this post, except this is america we're talking about =/
Cerberus.Irohuro said: »
i'd like this post, except this is america we're talking about =/
Sigh ... I will never give up hope, no matter how many times I get disappointed. As bad as it can be here, it's still leagues better than many other countries.
Valefor.Mithano said: »
Not having a gold standard is fine, so long as you have a minimum of corruption, regulation so people don't inadvertently make really bad financial bets, and control of debt holders so no one holder gets too much power.
Of course, all those things - unfortunately, even with a gold standard those things can still happen, the mechanisms are just somewhat different.
Step 1: Remove massively corrupting money influences in politics
Step 2: Let politicians create a balanced budget plan
Step 3: Watch everything else work really, really well
I mean come on - if you have minimal debt, and you can keep to a budget, you're going to be living pretty damn well.
Of course, all those things - unfortunately, even with a gold standard those things can still happen, the mechanisms are just somewhat different.
Step 1: Remove massively corrupting money influences in politics
Step 2: Let politicians create a balanced budget plan
Step 3: Watch everything else work really, really well
I mean come on - if you have minimal debt, and you can keep to a budget, you're going to be living pretty damn well.
Even step one will never happen. Hell we have been heading in the opposite direction more and more.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
You make it sound easy.
Even step one will never happen. Hell we have been heading in the opposite direction more and more.
Even step one will never happen. Hell we have been heading in the opposite direction more and more.
Believe me, if I knew how to do it easily, I'd be rich! (like the pun???)
I think as the internet generation (People born after ~1975?) grow up and have interest in politics, it will be easier to make the changes. Since communication is the key to changing someone's mind, and the internet allows that, I think we can change. OWS and Arab Spring are evidence of that. Baby Boomers still run things right now, but it's not going to last a long longer.
Stephen Colbert raising $1m in funds for a candidacy that doesn't even exist is no joke. Gen x/y/z really are starting to take notice.
balanced budget is kind of silly, and nice to say but isn't very practical.
we need to balance certain parts of the budget, like money collected for X is spent on X and not Y, or if it comes to be borrowed from other sections it's paid back within Z amount of time, or E.
but to have an overall balanced budget at all times is not that great of an idea. (there are people who study the details that argue for both systems, iirc sometime around the 70's or so the idea to have a balanced budget was side stepped and proved to be very beneficial to the US but has since spiraled us out of control.
making cuts won't reign it in, you have to raise taxes.
we need to balance certain parts of the budget, like money collected for X is spent on X and not Y, or if it comes to be borrowed from other sections it's paid back within Z amount of time, or E.
but to have an overall balanced budget at all times is not that great of an idea. (there are people who study the details that argue for both systems, iirc sometime around the 70's or so the idea to have a balanced budget was side stepped and proved to be very beneficial to the US but has since spiraled us out of control.
making cuts won't reign it in, you have to raise taxes.
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