WS Gear

yeah my step set has looooooooads of accuracy if i come across mobs that have high evasion to add with the gorget.
thing is though with atma that we have, it shouldnt be (much) an issue with acc there aside from that damn fly nm, and outside of abyssea it's built for lvl 75~.

Gorget would be better than Shifting either way.

im having lower dmg with the gorget
(albeit i only got shifting recently, so further use could prove otherwise)

Stats in WS set? Also, parses?

it was eyeballed

stats on my current dancing edge set is

73+5 str
87+33 dex
70+17 chr

ws fusseto

29 accuracy
411 base attack

Do you use food? If so, which?

pizza+1
(the attack is before food and berserk)

Relevant stats bolded.

Remove 5 DEX (neck), WSC is floor(floor(115*0.3+87*0.4)*0.85)=58
Add the 5 DEX back in, floor(floor(120*0.3+87*0.4)*0.85)=59

Assuming neutral fSTR

(38+59)/(38+58)=1.042% increase, less inside Abyssea


tl;dr version

you calculated the other 5 hits as a 1.0 ftp, (5*1.1875)+1.2875= 7.225/7.125= 1.014 increase

also gorgets give a .097 increase not a .1 marginal so in comparison to what you have i'll leave it alone

furthermore im almost always in saber dance when i ws, that with brutal and /war i have 65% DA rate in the first minute

(6*1.1875)+1.2875=8.4125/8.3125=1.012 increase

(7*1.1875)+1.2875=9.6/9.5=1.010% increase

Use Warwolf over Aristo, and as to all of the above posts, I have to agree with the use of a Gorget.

for EV i could see using warwolf, but is 5 dex with a 30% multiplier and 5 str better than 8 chr with a 40% multiplier?

I'm not a math geek too but 40%>30% i would do the same (maybe error) using CHR over DEX for DE.

Tho i read somewhere over here that CHR 40% was a secondary modifier.
I don't know what is meant by secondary modifier ... ( and i think that's *** too ) but i'm not sure about nothing until i experience it.

Edit :

Soil Gorget :
Dancing Edge, Evisceration, Mercy Stroke, Pyrrhic Kleos, Viper Bite, Wasp Sting

All Gorgets increase the fTP multiplier by +0.1 and adds some(?) amount of accuracy to all hits of the Weapon Skill.

kind of like haste it doesnt quite give .1 ftp on the first hit, and from what i hear it gives 10 accuracy to all hits. but with the current mobs and our current level and 327 dagger skill +food, accuracy is easily capped anyways.

Yeah this might have been killed by lvl unlocked anyway.

All subsequent hits after the first in a weaponskill, regardless of source, have fTP = 1 and WSC = WSC.

ah i see, i kinda feel dumb, but still doesn't change the fact that it has a degraded use over the number of hits, where attribute modifiers are constant.

Secondary mod is just another term for WSC. Calling BS on something you don't even understand is definitely the right way to approach the problem though.

Source?

Two points here. First, the previously listed value on the wiki (50%) is probably false and at the very least only applies for a very small number of hits. Saber Dance's DA decays extremely rapidly and an initial re-examination suggested that it starts out more around 30% at most, but testing is difficult and there wasn't much drive to continue testing when it was last discussed. Second, even if we assume you achieve the maximum of 8 hits on every WS we have 8.2875/8.1875=1.221% increase which is still higher than your DEX+5 neck.

1) Your text to link here...

2) 8.2875/8.1875 is 1.0122 not 1.221

is 60 btw

Don't have time to search through the links at the bottom right now; I want a primary source, not a secondary one.

1.01221374 is 101.221374/100, or a 1.221374% increase. I truncated at the third decimal.

(120*0.3+87*0.4)=70.8 floors to 70

70*0.85=59.5 floors to 59

it's at the bottom,



so......?


now what would the dmg comparison look like if i add another 5 dex/chr via airy ring.

So tell me which link is the correct one.



So it's a 1.221374% increase. What's hard about this?


What are you using in that slot currently?

i dont see why you are moving the decimal.



Ecphoria
and another 5 dex/chr for gloves and so on and so forth

8.2875/8.1875=1.01221374, which is a proportion rather than a percentage. 1.01221374/1=1.01221374, multiply both sides by 100, 101.221374/100=101.221374. If we treat it as a relative amount out of 100, 101.221374 is 101.221374%, or a 1.221374% increase over the base value of 100%.

ITT: basic algebra


Will get this in a couple hours, I need to leave right now.

yeah..... i should've got that

may be a dumb question but does the Fusetto with ws damage +10% work in offhand?

I'm fairly sure it doesnt but it never hurts to ask

Nope, it doesn't.
I believe the + % DMG weapons were meant to be a sort of substitute to the old Martial weapons but as of right now they are nowhere nearly as good.
You'd be better off with the STP ones if they help your sets lower the amount of swings you need to reach 100tp.
It all comes to what the +2 versions will look like in December though

No, it doesn't.

WSC, like many other things, is subject to decreasing returns. Given this, improvements to your build are not going to favor the 5 DEX neck at 1 WSC. However, since there's a chance that 5 DEX could contribute 2 WSC, there is also a chance that it'll be better anyway.

In this case:

Gorget: floor(floor(120*0.3+92*0.4)*0.85)=61
DEX neck: floor(floor(125*0.3+92*0.4)*0.85)=62

w/ neutral fSTR: (38+62)/(38+61)=1.01% increase

You mentioned using AF hands for DE earlier, so Ample Gloves are +3 DEX +5 CHR:

Gorget: floor(floor(123*0.3+97*0.4)*0.85)=63
DEX neck: floor(floor(128*0.3+97*0.4)*0.85)=65

w/ neutral fSTR: (38+65)/(38+63)=1.98%, which is clearly better than a gorget provided you're hitrate capped.

Abyssea changes that yet again with cruor buffs, abyssites, atmas, and martello bonuses, but Evisceration is pretty hot in Abyssea so that may or may not be worth keeping in mind.

for my ws set on dnc.. it's pretty limited what dnc can use, but i reckon its ok.. switch it up tho depending on in absee or not, needing acc etc but generally:

Ammo: Charis Feather
Head: Anwig - str, dec, ws acc, crit dmg
Neck: Soil Gorget
Ear1: Pixie Earring
Ear2: Brutal
Body: Etoile body
Hands: Enkidu
Ring1: Augmented Jupiter's
Ring2: Rajas
Back: Nifty/Forager's
Waist: Augmented Warwolf (+5 acc :D) lol
Legs: Tumbler Trunks
Feet: Etoile

I find dancing edge weak, it never beats evisceration for me.. probably a mithra thing.

EDIT: The daggers ive got are parazonium+1 (oat) and auric main hand

Anwig auged str+4 acc+10 atk+5 ws acc+10
Mirke auged with Acc+10 (other aug irrelivant)
Kila +2 is the eva one

Do you guys reckon +1 dex and +5 str with this body is better then NQ etoile?

Also if not, please don't call it a waste as it belongs to my other job that uses it more.