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 Fenrir.Shinun
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By Fenrir.Shinun 2010-07-29 10:29:40
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Is their a current cap that we know of for dual wield?

I ask because I TP in 10% Dual Wield added onto our traits and am thinking of picking up an Auric Dagger soon with Ls. In events I mostly Act as a DDer unless we lowman and then I'm either the tank (Khalamari) or main healer (Salvage). But I'm trying to get my gear finished up atm for TPing and before I add on anymore Dual Wield I was wondering if their is a cap.

Currently Tping in 25% Haste (35% Haste Samba), and a total of 40% Dual Wield including our Job Traits/Gear

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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-07-29 10:37:55
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Not that I know of... 10% DW AND 25% haste!?! What do you /drg or soemthing?
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-07-29 10:39:51
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Has the earring on if you look at profile so I'd say yes.
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By Fenrir.Shinun 2010-07-29 10:41:09
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Yes, for many events when i act as DD /drg i just don't see /sam outdoing or /nin outdoing it, as well as if Dual Wield doesn't cap I'll have 15% Dual Wield in gear instead of the current 10 I'm at
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-07-29 10:41:40
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Not that I know of... 10% DW AND 25% haste!?! What do you /drg or soemthing?
DNC can hit like 27% haste without Wyvern Earring now, though it appears he does /DRG. Not my sub of choice given that I'd lose Brutal Earring and not get the full benefit of the earring due to my haste gear, but YMMV I guess. /SAM's pretty beast though.

As far as I know there's no cap, but if there is one it's probably 50%.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-07-29 10:47:37
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I guess. Especially if DW doesn't cap. Though looking more closely with current found gear not including the shield you can reach 26% haste while still wearing the DW neck and suppa without /drg.

Though if your gear is super pimped /drg could let you wear 25(+)% haste AND 18-20 DW
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-07-29 10:49:23
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Fenrir.Shinun said:
Yes, for many events when i act as DD /drg i just don't see /sam outdoing or /nin outdoing it, as well as if Dual Wield doesn't cap I'll have 15% Dual Wield in gear instead of the current 10 I'm at
Wyvern Earring gives you 5% haste, which with full buffs is a ~17% increase in TP generation. 16 Store TP (trait + Brutal) on top of Rajas and Brutal is 15.23% to TP generation, 5% DW from Brutal Earring is approximately a 2% increase given offhand OA2-3 Parazonium, and you have Meditate for additional TP generation and free TP after WS in addition to Sekkanoki giving you additional safety margin for WSing while retaining TP for cures. In the ideal situation for Wyvern Earring, Jumps are actually detrimental to TP gain given JA delay. As Store TP and DA alone matched Wyvern Earring in the best case scenario for the earring, it's easy to see that /SAM is superior for TP generation all around.

EDIT: I did include Rajas, though it appears you have neither Rajas nor Brutal yet.
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By Fenrir.Shinun 2010-07-29 10:52:52
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I don't have the OAT2-3x dagger atm. When /drg in event's i act as DD so most of the time I'm riding Saber Dance and currently use 2x Kila the Str and the Dex ones
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-07-29 10:58:49
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Fenrir.Shinun said:
I don't have the OAT2-3x dagger atm.
Favors Brutal and thus /SAM.
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By Carbuncle.Virtuosus 2010-07-29 11:06:48
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Made out of boredom. Best possible TP set?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-07-29 11:10:33
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Carbuncle.Virtuosus said:

Made out of boredom. Best possible TP set?
Well some of that isn't found. Also if you do /drg you could put on the DW belt or body too while maintaining capped haste with found gear
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By Carbuncle.Virtuosus 2010-07-29 11:11:41
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Carbuncle.Virtuosus said:

Made out of boredom. Best possible TP set?
Well some of that isn't found. Also if you do /drg you could put on the DW belt or body too while maintaining capped haste with found gear

True. You can still get pretty damn close using Acuben's Helm and Speed/Velocious Belt and Aurore/Relic Legs. (25% Haste)
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-07-29 11:37:19
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Ok for fun... and *** DW placement on here



If you feeling really frisky you can swap belt for DW belt body for rappare and head for acubens. Maintain the same amount (25) haste and gain 2% DW.

You lose 5dex/str/agi, 6att 4 store tp, and most importantly 26acc lol. Though you would still have +18 and +11 dex so maybe with sushi
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By Fenrir.Shinun 2010-07-29 12:37:15
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is more of what's in my current range for a TP set atm and most of the time im in nonbuffed situations bar haste spell really not enough bards or corsairs

I don't really know the math but would /sam and brutal win out over /drg and wyvern earring? with just Haste/Haste Samba and Saber Dances as buffs
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-07-29 13:12:52
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Easily, and I'd suggest swapping the Aurore Gloves for Dusk. Wyvern Earring really only shines in high-haste situations, and as I showed it doesn't even win then.
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By Ragnarok.Flippant 2010-07-29 13:22:20
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Charis is confirmed 5% DW?
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By Carbuncle.Virtuosus 2010-07-29 13:27:31
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Ragnarok.Flippant said:
Charis is confirmed 5% DW?

Yes.
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By Fenrir.Shinun 2010-09-22 14:48:33
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I've been looking at gear that drops and also acquiring some of the peices slowly but would something like this be best when one is full timing Saber Dance and giving Feather Steps

Kila +1 8 Dex +14 Accuracy
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-09-22 14:56:20
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Stacking critrate has decreasing returns, so building for STR/attack in non-haste slots (Charis aside depending on how the crit damage+ works out) until fSTR/pDIF capped (and you're not going to cap both on DNC on anything that matters tbh) would actually be the smarter approach unless you can easily and precisely cap dDEX.
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By Fenrir.Richi 2010-09-26 21:39:05
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Hows this for TP gain?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-09-26 22:50:53
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Overkill.
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By Fenrir.Mankey 2010-09-26 23:22:12
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Night got my bullwhip belt last night, when u gonna come get yours :O
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-09-26 23:28:46
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Grats. I'll probably work on him again after I finish RDM. BLU's far from bad on him but Chainspell would speed things along so much; Refresh II for the BLMs wouldn't hurt either.

Should probably get KA ToD while I'm at it -.-
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By Unicorn.Tarowyn 2010-09-26 23:44:03
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Carbuncle.Virtuosus said:
Ragnarok.Flippant said:
Charis is confirmed 5% DW?
Yes.
Side track on this but is this just confirmed by wiki or what? The wiki discussion on the testing for this seems rather vague and other testing I've seen points to 3%.

Just more of a curiosity thing since I don't even have dnc lvled but a friend was asking me about this the other day.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-09-26 23:45:38
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Unicorn.Tarowyn said:
Carbuncle.Virtuosus said:
Ragnarok.Flippant said:
Charis is confirmed 5% DW?
Yes.
Side track on this but is this just confirmed by wiki or what? The wiki discussion on the testing for this seems rather vague and other testing I've seen points to 3%.

Just more of a curiosity thing since I don't even have dnc lvled but a friend was asking me about this the other day.
It would be so easy to test it. Just do tp calculations for 5 and 3 with different dagger setups till you find one that wont round them to the same amount and see if they get the same amount of tp after 10 hits
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By Unicorn.Tarowyn 2010-09-26 23:46:40
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Where did I ask HOW to test, I was just asking whether or not it was really confirmed, lol.
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By Fenrir.Mankey 2010-09-27 01:38:28
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Night I mean come with us and lot a belt :(
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-09-27 02:06:21
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Let me know when you're doing runs then!
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-09-27 02:14:47
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Unicorn.Tarowyn said:
Where did I ask HOW to test, I was just asking whether or not it was really confirmed, lol.
well tell your friend to get on it!
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