Also, lets say you're dual wielding a dagger with 200 delay and a dagger with 195 like Dakini...
395 delay / 60 = 6.5833333333333333333333333333333 seconds per attack
Kirpan with 11 more delay:
406 delay / 60 = 6.7666666666666666666666666666667 seconds per attack.
You're attacking almost 2/10th of a second faster for an obviously lowered damage output. Not only would you be gimping your TP return per hit by using these daggers, you're also gonna have a higher chance to hit 0's on anything with reputable defense.
And thats assuming your Athame has 200 delay... I'm going to assume its got at least 210 since its one of those trial occ. attack twice weapons that always have +delay. I cant look it up personally atm cuz FFXI wiki isnt loading for me.
So you're probably not even attacking any noticeable amount faster.
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Leviathan.Duvessa said:
Leviathan.Thornyy said:
Dakini, sup? -11 delay, -1 dmg, -15 attack, 4 dex, 3 accuracy.. no contest. Papilio is neither a good mainhand, nor epeen.. especially when you're talking to the person who dualboxed scylla the day after it came out. If accuracy is capped and you're not using the extra acc on dakini(I'm sure you'll try to make this argument), get a STR one too?
Rofl at this idiot saying 4 dex > 15 attack. Obviously understands nothing about Dancing Edge.
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-11 delay, assuming any decent dnc will be offhanding athame~
211+201 = 412
211+190 = 401
412/401 = 2.7% tp damage from delay difference
15 attack at 500 attack(minuets or chaos roll, you do merit with 2 buffers don't you?) = 515/500 or 3% damage on a mob with no level correction, with level correction it'll cap around 3.5% damage during tp and ws
5 accuracy(2 from dex 3 from acc) = 2.5% hitrate, which'll be a minimum of 2.5% damage
1.025^2 = 5.06% damage on tp and 5.06% ws quantity
2.5% hitrate on ws means you're looking at
5.06% damage on tp phase, 1.0506 * 1.025 = 7.68% damage on WS
now, the base damage will be negated on ws due to dex adding a WSC, but on TP phase it'll upgrade you from:
34 * 1.05 = 35.7
33 * 1.425 = 48.45
or 84.15 * pdif damage per attack round on avg
to
35 * 1.05 = 36.75
33 * 1.425 = 48.45
or 85.2 * pdif damage per attack round on avg
85.2 / 84.15 = 1.24% damage on tp phase from base dmg
1.035 * 1.0124 = 4.78% total damage on tp phase from papilio
5.06% total damage on tp phase from dakini
3.5% damage on WS from papilio
7.68% damage on ws from dakini
If you want me to compare athame to whatever garbage you offhand, let me know. It's not going to be pretty though..
211+201 = 412
211+190 = 401
412/401 = 2.7% tp damage from delay difference
15 attack at 500 attack(minuets or chaos roll, you do merit with 2 buffers don't you?) = 515/500 or 3% damage on a mob with no level correction, with level correction it'll cap around 3.5% damage during tp and ws
5 accuracy(2 from dex 3 from acc) = 2.5% hitrate, which'll be a minimum of 2.5% damage
1.025^2 = 5.06% damage on tp and 5.06% ws quantity
2.5% hitrate on ws means you're looking at
5.06% damage on tp phase, 1.0506 * 1.025 = 7.68% damage on WS
now, the base damage will be negated on ws due to dex adding a WSC, but on TP phase it'll upgrade you from:
34 * 1.05 = 35.7
33 * 1.425 = 48.45
or 84.15 * pdif damage per attack round on avg
to
35 * 1.05 = 36.75
33 * 1.425 = 48.45
or 85.2 * pdif damage per attack round on avg
85.2 / 84.15 = 1.24% damage on tp phase from base dmg
1.035 * 1.0124 = 4.78% total damage on tp phase from papilio
5.06% total damage on tp phase from dakini
3.5% damage on WS from papilio
7.68% damage on ws from dakini
If you want me to compare athame to whatever garbage you offhand, let me know. It's not going to be pretty though..
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You're counting accuracy as damage here? You should probably be capped accuracy anyways. And any decent DNC will have 8/8 dagger merits to begin with. Adding "5 more acc" won't help if its capped. And you're not going to be getting much more out of other slots by utilizing that extra 5 in the dagger instead.
We do have this thing called Accuracy Bonus II, btw. Makes it much easier for us to cap acc than it is for other jobs with B to B+ skills.
Also some of your math is completely wrong to begin with.
Anyways, I have to get some sleep. I'll be back on later tonight.
We do have this thing called Accuracy Bonus II, btw. Makes it much easier for us to cap acc than it is for other jobs with B to B+ skills.
Also some of your math is completely wrong to begin with.
Anyways, I have to get some sleep. I'll be back on later tonight.
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-11 delay, assuming any decent dnc will be offhanding athame~
Is this why ninian mainhands it?
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My math is all correct. As I predicted 2 posts ago, you'd bring up capped accuracy.. you'd do well to read my arguments before attempting to counter them. In that case, use STR dakini. If accuracy is capped, STR dakini is a clear cut winner over papilio. If it is not, DEX dakini is a clear cut winner over papilio. If it's significantly over cap, you can even use Athame/Joyeuse.
You're wrong, you're stupid, go away. Suck some more e-***, maybe you'll get more shinies you don't know how to use properly.
You realize we're talking about dual wield situations where you can deal damage, right? If you're strapped for tp, offhanding cinq is viable. If you're single wielding(won't happen post update), athame is the way to go. If you're damage dealing and can't afford the acc cut from offhanding joyeuse, then Dakini/Athame(or in Duvessa's mind Papilio/Athame) is the best combination. Different things for different situations, you should read before you make smartass comments.
You're wrong, you're stupid, go away. Suck some more e-***, maybe you'll get more shinies you don't know how to use properly.
Sylph.Kozuki said:
Is this why ninian mainhands it?
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/twirls through the thread like a helicopter
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Leviathan.Thornyy said:
My math is all correct. As I predicted 2 posts ago, you'd bring up capped accuracy. In that case, use STR dakini. If accuracy is capped, STR dakini is a clear cut winner over papilio. If it is not, DEX dakini is a clear cut winner over papilio. If it's significantly over cap, you can even use Athame/Joyeuse.
You're wrong, you're stupid, go away. Suck some more e-***, maybe you'll get more shinies you don't know how to use properly.
You're wrong, you're stupid, go away. Suck some more e-***, maybe you'll get more shinies you don't know how to use properly.
I have to wonder, why do you resort to childish name calling when having a debate? Seems like you take stuff way to personal.
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Leviathan.Duvessa said:
You're counting accuracy as damage here? You should probably be capped accuracy anyways. And any decent DNC will have 8/8 dagger merits to begin with. Adding "5 more acc" won't help if its capped. And you're not going to be getting much more out of other slots by utilizing that extra 5 in the dagger instead.
We do have this thing called Accuracy Bonus II, btw. Makes it much easier for us to cap acc than it is for other jobs with B to B skills.
Also some of your math is completely wrong to begin with.
Anyways, I have to get some sleep. I'll be back on later tonight.
We do have this thing called Accuracy Bonus II, btw. Makes it much easier for us to cap acc than it is for other jobs with B to B skills.
Also some of your math is completely wrong to begin with.
Anyways, I have to get some sleep. I'll be back on later tonight.
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Sylph.Kozuki said:
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-11 delay, assuming any decent dnc will be offhanding athame~
Is this why ninian mainhands it?
I have a Cinq. Do I really need to explain myself?
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Leviathan.Niniann said:
Sylph.Kozuki said:
Quote:
-11 delay, assuming any decent dnc will be offhanding athame~
Is this why ninian mainhands it?
I have a Cinq. Do I really need to explain myself?
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Leviathan.Duvessa said:
Leviathan.Thornyy said:
Duvess.Ingame said:
Papilio > Athame
Haha, no you dumbass. I said Papilio is a MUCH better mainhand. It's not my fault you can't draw that from the statement about the DMG.
And we were comparing Papilo and the Kartika you mentioned you had also. I said situationally Papilio would still be better than Kartika.
Im confused, I thought it was started because it was said Papilio is a better main hand than Athame or did you misqoute what was said in game to you?
Sylph.Kimble said:
I have to wonder, why do you resort to childish name calling when having a debate? Seems like you take stuff way to personal.
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Leviathan.Thornyy said:
Sylph.Kimble said:
I have to wonder, why do you resort to childish name calling when having a debate? Seems like you take stuff way to personal.
Or explaining FFVIII to a lemon?
I <3 threads that niniann and thornyy post in. Not because I lol at elitists, but because its funny watching ppl try to call them out on ***only to be shot down hard.
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She offhands a really bad fast store TP dagger while mainhanding an athame,do you even play with your GF or dual box everything by yourself?
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Sylph.Kozuki said:
She offhands a really bad fast store TP dagger while mainhanding an athame,do you even play with your GF or dual box everything by yourself?
For that matter, so is a low delay second weapon paired with an OAT weapon.
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Can we go back to fantasizing about bishounen male elvaan in frilly outfits?
I daresay it's a lot better to talk about than this.
I daresay it's a lot better to talk about than this.
Doing less dmg than you should be because you think store tp +5 matters on a DW job, yes.
Sylph.Kozuki said:
She offhands a really bad fast store TP dagger while mainhanding an athame,do you even play with your GF or dual box everything by yourself?
She uses different weapons for different situations, omg? Athame/Cinq is the highest TP gain combination, it's useful for healing dynamis-xarcabard or tavnazia, as they're healing intensive and have significant enough evasion that Athame/Joyeuse isn't viable.
Since you seem to want to call us out somehow, let's see.. would you rather I mention your complete garbage paladin gear, the fact your opinions are spoonfed through Kimble, your whorish avatar, how ugly the person in said whorish avatar is, or how utterly HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE everything you've posted that's at all related to NIN is?
Also, while you're looking up Thornspet, take note of how much better a character than yours it is.
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I don't feed her anything.
And again, personal attacks are just childish.
Her PLD gear is ***because 1) She doesnt play PLD, 2) Shes on break and im using her account and I throw together what I could to SMN burn pull.
Really, calling someone ugly/*** is something a 5 year old can do and takes no thought to even come up with.
No place for that AT ALL in a gear/job debate.
And again, personal attacks are just childish.
Her PLD gear is ***because 1) She doesnt play PLD, 2) Shes on break and im using her account and I throw together what I could to SMN burn pull.
Really, calling someone ugly/*** is something a 5 year old can do and takes no thought to even come up with.
No place for that AT ALL in a gear/job debate.
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He's from BG, what did you expect?
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I was referring to you dual boxing your own char while she sits outside of bcnm's and crap AFK waiting for you to finish dual boxing since you'd rather dual box than play with your own gf :(
Also, how is dying at least once per char at everything you do going? ;D
Also, how is dying at least once per char at everything you do going? ;D
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Sylph.Kimble said:
I don't feed her anything.
And again, personal attacks are just childish.
Her PLD gear is ***because 1) She doesnt play PLD, 2) Shes on break and im using her account and I throw together what I could to SMN burn pull.
Really, calling someone ugly/*** is something a 5 year old can do and takes no thought to even come up with.
No place for that AT ALL in a gear/job debate.
And again, personal attacks are just childish.
Her PLD gear is ***because 1) She doesnt play PLD, 2) Shes on break and im using her account and I throw together what I could to SMN burn pull.
Really, calling someone ugly/*** is something a 5 year old can do and takes no thought to even come up with.
No place for that AT ALL in a gear/job debate.
Sylph.Kozuki said:
I was referring to you dual boxing your own char while she sits outside of bcnm's and crap AFK waiting for you to finish dual boxing since you'd rather dual box than play with your own gf :(
Sylph.Kozuki said:
Also, how is dying at least once per char at everything you do going? ;D
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Sylph.Kimble said:
No place for that AT ALL in a gear/job debate.
Sorry, I guess I just dont believe if you don't agree with someone, you resort to calling someone ugly and a ***. Not like it helps you prove your point.
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I didn't know I was ugly, or this avatar was whorish! Thanks for informing me!
I don't even play paladin, I have zero gear for it, like kimble said, he's using my account and was pulling for an astral burn on it <_<
Everything I posted about NIN is fine, what? <_<
The only jobs I actually play are DNC NIN SCH and kind of brd I guess, which all have gear/merits. My pld is...nothing.
I don't even play paladin, I have zero gear for it, like kimble said, he's using my account and was pulling for an astral burn on it <_<
Everything I posted about NIN is fine, what? <_<
The only jobs I actually play are DNC NIN SCH and kind of brd I guess, which all have gear/merits. My pld is...nothing.
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