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Denali Bonnet or Wally Turban
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By Cerberus.Vedder 2010-03-25 10:24:24
Asura.Xenophire said: How I play my jobs is entirely up to myself, Vegetto. Not all of us are out and about trying to get our hands on every thing we can. Some of us play the game and have fun with it.
Just a small point to make here. If you truly play for the fun of it, then performance shouldn't really matter to you. Why'd you even take the time to parse Turban vs. Bonnet when you knew that Bonnet would end up being more 'fun' for you? It seems like the results of your 'test' would be inconsequential for your purposes. Unless, of course, it's fun to contradict one's self.
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By Asura.Xenophire 2010-03-25 10:28:24
Fairy.Vegetto said: Who the *** said anything about how you have to play? I just noted which is better, which you decide to use has nothing to do with me nor how good each item is. You're arguing w/ the wrong person.
Also, lol if you think you can have fun in a denali head but can't have fun in a turban.
Also, since when did turban fall of under the category of "out and about trying to get our hands on everything we can"?
I love how your argument doesn't touch a single of my points and has nothing to do with anything I've said here.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You may think the Turban is better where as others get more of a use over the Denali.
And lol right back at you if you think people can't have fun with whatever gear they decide to put on. Did I ever say that you can't have fun in the Turban?
"Out and about, trying to get our hands on everything we can." You act as if 1% Haste is absolutely *** ground breaking for every god damned job in this game because you say it's better.
Hey, everyone! Vegetto says the Turban is better. Let's all use that instead.
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By Asura.Xenophire 2010-03-25 10:29:49
Cerberus.Vedder said: Asura.Xenophire said: How I play my jobs is entirely up to myself, Vegetto. Not all of us are out and about trying to get our hands on every thing we can. Some of us play the game and have fun with it.
Just a small point to make here. If you truly play for the fun of it, then performance shouldn't really matter to you. Why'd you even take the time to parse Turban vs. Bonnet when you knew that Bonnet would end up being more 'fun' for you? It seems like the results of your 'test' would be inconsequential for your purposes. Unless, of course, it's fun to contradict one's self.
It was for my own experimental purposes. I had every intention of using the Turban over the Denali until I saw numbers. It wasn't worth that 1 measly percentage.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-03-25 10:34:16
You can have w/e opinion you want, but fact is, turban is better for damage. When did I say turban was best for solo? Though I will say that if you do care about evasion, then ohat will serve you better than denali.
Again, you are missing my points and pooling other people's posts in your reply to my own with things I haven't said (Like turban for solo)
Quote: And lol right back at you if you think people can't have fun with whatever gear they decide to put on. Did I ever say that you can have fun in the Turban? I'm not the one using "I use this item because I want to play to have fun!" though
Quote: "Out and about, trying to get our hands on everything we can." You act as if 1% Haste is absolutely *** ground breaking for every god damned job in this game because you say it's better. Again, FOR DAMAGE, yes haste is better. Not because I say so, because of the way square enix designed the damn game. The math says so.
Quote: Hey, everyone! Vegetto says the Turban is better. Let's all use that instead. haha, as if I'm the only one who advocates turban. They should use it to DD in because it's better, not because I said so.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-03-25 10:36:47
Not at all Keriam. There's a difference between dusk gloves and a pair of 15m dusk gloves+1 and easy to understand why you don't have one.
When turban is as effortless to get as it is, denali is worse for damage and tougher to get, and people still use the denali over the turban to DD in, that's the problem.
It's a bit diff when you take the 15m out of the equation.
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By Sylph.Vincentius 2010-03-25 10:37:19
Hi. My name is Mr. Vance, and I love the turban. TAKE IT FROM ME KIDS!
Oh, and Xenofail, you're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. Parsing by yourself is absolutely stupid.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-03-25 10:37:33
Quote: Nevermind the fact that you can still be good without having that extra point of whatever. Sure, but there's no reason to GO OUT OF THE WAY to deal less damage.
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By Sylph.Vincentius 2010-03-25 10:39:59
Fairy.Vegetto said: Quote: Nevermind the fact that you can still be good without having that extra point of whatever. Sure, but there's no reason to GO OUT OF THE WAY to deal less damage.
^^^^^^^^^ Thiiiiiiiiiiisssssssssss
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-03-25 10:41:36
It's like having a flame ring and ws'ing in your ruby ring instead. What's the point?
Oh hey, Tiamat may get firaga off WHILE I'm ws'ing. Better make sure I have my resistance up!
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By Asura.Xenophire 2010-03-25 10:42:37
Sylph.Vincentius said: Hi. My name is Mr. Vance, and I love the turban. TAKE IT FROM ME KIDS!
Oh, and Xenofail, you're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. Parsing by yourself is absolutely stupid.
And here comes the name calling.
Is this what you do on a daily basis? Talk down upon other's because of the gear they have? Just curious.
And @ Vegetto, I've actually had a similar situation occur. Fowling Earring's intimidation proc while it's being macro'd in to WS. Lol
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By Cerberus.Vedder 2010-03-25 10:44:30
Veg, I don't know how you have the stamina to continue a discussion with people like this, lol.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-03-25 10:44:38
Hitler said: What the *** do you know?! You full-time a Denali Bonnet!!
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-03-25 10:44:47
Well, even if you take the name calling out, it's still a valid point.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-03-25 10:45:21
Cerberus.Vedder said: Veg, I don't know how you have the stamina to continue a discussion with people like this, lol. Entertains me, need the break anyways, been studying since 3am. Bio practical today.
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By Sylph.Vincentius 2010-03-25 10:45:27
Asura.Xenophire said: Sylph.Vincentius said: Hi. My name is Mr. Vance, and I love the turban. TAKE IT FROM ME KIDS!
Oh, and Xenofail, you're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. Parsing by yourself is absolutely stupid.
And here comes the name calling.
Helping you understand how you come off to others with a brain is more of what it is.
Did your parse show how fast you killed each mob on average?
Did you fight the exact same number of mobs to see how fast you'd finish with each?
Did you solo things that you already had capped pDIF on, because that makes Bonnet fall even further behind...
Did you actually need the evasion, and did you parse your evade rate?
Do you understand why a solo parse is silly now?
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By Asura.Xenophire 2010-03-25 10:45:29
Phoenix.Kojo said: Hitler said: What the *** do you know?! You full-time a Denali Bonnet!!
Who ever said I full time it? Lol
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By Sylph.Vincentius 2010-03-25 10:47:10
Successful troll is successful.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-03-25 10:47:30
Asura.Xenophire said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Hitler said: What the *** do you know?! You full-time a Denali Bonnet!! Who ever said I full time it? Lol
Hitler did.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-03-25 10:48:33
Asura.Xenophire said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Hitler said: What the *** do you know?! You full-time a Denali Bonnet!!
Who ever said I full time it? Lol I'm pretty sure your items sets did until you recently deleted them just now.
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By Sylph.Vincentius 2010-03-25 10:49:23
Fairy.Vegetto said: Asura.Xenophire said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Hitler said: What the *** do you know?! You full-time a Denali Bonnet!!
Who ever said I full time it? Lol I'm pretty sure your items sets did until you recently deleted them just now.
OH JAM, IT'S ON LIKE DONKEY KONG.
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By Asura.Xenophire 2010-03-25 10:50:45
Fairy.Vegetto said: Asura.Xenophire said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Hitler said: What the *** do you know?! You full-time a Denali Bonnet!!
Who ever said I full time it? Lol I'm pretty sure your items sets did until you recently deleted them just now.
No. O Hat for Eva and Accuracy situations like Sky and ***and my Anwig for WS's.
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By Sylph.Vincentius 2010-03-25 10:52:13
Asura.Xenophire said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Asura.Xenophire said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Hitler said: What the *** do you know?! You full-time a Denali Bonnet!!
Who ever said I full time it? Lol I'm pretty sure your items sets did until you recently deleted them just now.
No. O Hat for Eva and Accuracy situations like Sky and ***and my Anwig for WS's.
Then why in the world would you advocate Denali again?
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By Asura.Xenophire 2010-03-25 10:52:14
Sylph.Vincentius said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Asura.Xenophire said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Hitler said: What the *** do you know?! You full-time a Denali Bonnet!!
Who ever said I full time it? Lol I'm pretty sure your items sets did until you recently deleted them just now.
OH JAM, IT'S ON LIKE DONKEY KONG.
Shall we discuss why your NIN is using Daggers over Katanas? Just curious as to why.
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By Sylph.Vincentius 2010-03-25 10:53:15
Apollyon SE duo. Thanks for playing.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-03-25 10:53:19
Anyway, only thing I can see you gaining from Denali Bonnet is 4 AGI, that wouldn't make or break WSs. You're DNC so you have no TA to worry about. Neither DNC nor THF is really trying to DD on melee swings. So Attack +3 isn't that great, Evasion +3, If you need evasion 3 won't help, go for an O-hat. MND... IDK why you'd need this. Haste +4%...Well, that's good, but as previously said, why go outta the way for -1% haste when you got an easy 5% already. I wouldn't mind having Denali for looks, though.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-03-25 10:53:22
Asura.Xenophire said: Sylph.Vincentius said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Asura.Xenophire said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Hitler said: What the *** do you know?! You full-time a Denali Bonnet!!
Who ever said I full time it? Lol I'm pretty sure your items sets did until you recently deleted them just now.
OH JAM, IT'S ON LIKE DONKEY KONG.
Shall we discuss why your NIN is using Daggers over Katanas? Just curious as to why. Colibri? Evis is better than blade jin at bird camp, though the offhand should still be katana, unless he's skilling up.
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OK, i just got Denali Bonnet and i was curious which is better for DNC in a solo/duo/trio situation, and why
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