Trial Of The Magians: Samurai |
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Trial of the Magians: Samurai
Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said: Kanjirou said: Okay, math time: For a 464 Delay GK, TP return per hit is 11.5 [(464 - 450) * 1.5 / 30] = 11.5 [14 * 1.5 / 30] = 11.5 0.7 = 12.2 To get a 5-hit build, we need a return of 20, which means we need at least 20/12.2 = ~1.64 This means that you would need at least 64 sTP to do a 5-hit build with Kurodachi. Even with 35 sTP from Traits and Merits, that leaves you with 29 more to go purely in gear. I don't see that happening. =/ The delay on Kurodachi is simply not large enough to support a real 5-hit build. I made a situational setup i suppose http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=146737 i could see someone somewhere making it work lol Just made these 2 sets. @ 464 delay. TP- WS- (Champion with 4Str/4Stp) These sets still allow for nearly a full haste build (Usu feet over Fuma) and a pretty solid WS build Imo. While some of these pieces are hard to obtain, if this new Gkt does indeed have joyeuse level DA rate, that + 5 Hit + max haste build would be pretty *** sick imo. What you guys think? i think we have a winner.
Hades.Amnesia said: That's using Carbonara no? No. Just Sam main with 5/5 Stp merits. Yea my bad, didn't consider Rajas Ring for some reason >.>.
Nice setup though, will be very good to see ^^ Hades.Amnesia said: Yea my bad, didn't consider Rajas Ring for some reason >.>. Nice setup though, will be very good to see ^^ What I really want to know is how this setup would fare against Pole builds. In events like dyn/lim/ein etc. Valefor.Mattyc said: lol i know infantry mostly used polearms but generals in most cases didnt. and no i shoulda clarified that haha. Lu Bu, 'nuff said. I'm not a math genius but I would suspect it could out parse with the exceptions of obvious piercing weakness, will be intrigued to see.
I'm currently seeing how todo a 5hit w/o any Usukane or Askar, but it's proving quite difficult without major cuts in places. w/ 25% gear haste (/drg), haste and double march, might be just fast enough to self SC?
edit: that is, 5-hit build, ws -> da -> da -> ws This is the best I can do with my tired brain..
Only manage 16% Haste and take a chunk of accuracy off (438acc w/ Hasso & Pizza +1). Would have to WS in Hachiman Domaru/+1 to unlock some other pieces for WS use. Optimal gear well.. makes it more optimal, if it would trump a full haste 6hit with the best WS gear is beyond my knowledge. Imo this sort of build wouldn't really be worth building unless you can go for the max.
Giving up that much haste just isn't going to be worth it. Midgardsormr.Frobeus said: Imo this sort of build wouldn't really be worth building unless you can go for the max. Giving up that much haste just isn't going to be worth it. Yea I have to agree, too much of a hit on all stuff. I'll stick to a easier time with a 6hit for now. Edit: Just 2 Store TP is needed to make Kurodachi a 6hit so easy flexibility for people who haven't done CoP or chose alternative ring ^^ yessssss
trial 4/8 for Radennotachi its some hard work >< stupid pugil took 6 hours to spawn Valefor.Mattyc
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anyways back again still seeing if anyone has gotten the final stage radennotachi?
im curious to see if i will be using mine for just zerg or not. anyways cool storys on samurai history you all get an A+ and a green shiny apple for being such stellar students :) lol.. Valefor.Mattyc
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currently on Urd pretty easy were 1/6 seems like pld tanking while cured and rest sam's use ranged attack so no aoe will hit u works out very well. anyways good luck to everyone :).
is it possible to do radden completely yet? i was reading that some others couldn't be completed yet.
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hmmm where you read that?
im confused are you saying theres a point where you cant upgrade further? lemme know. Offline
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Sooo.. I got the donto. It has trial 658 written on it. Kill 200 flies or summat. I go up to The Boyahda tree. It's equipped. I kill a skimmer. It checks as DC. And nothing. What's up with that? Am I being blonde and missing something obvious?
Not sure why Sams would go for this since all them *** rant about is their *** Hagun. XD
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well we just "attempted" to do lamprey lord lol.....
tried with 14, 7 of which were sam lol, blu isnt very effective due to the fact they pull hate to quick 2 pld/nin 2 red/whm blm/whm and a drk. acid spray resets hate so i tried to explain why pld/nin on the guy was HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE... well no one listened to me bout that lol. i suggest pldx2 at least both /war rdm or blu. pld's dropped within first 45 seconds-2 minutes. my suggestion due to our overstock of sam was to all sub /thf so we could spam SATA once again idea shut down. the messed up part is were the only 7 sams on our server this far along. at any rate its bout 3-4x harder than the fairy lol.... antidotes woulda been nice addition due his enpoison on tanks though id think /whm mage jobs could poisona also. at any rate this ***is crazy lol...good luck to all you guys. I just thought about something, you guys were saying with Hagun Vs. Radden....let me get this straight..You guys were saying that Hagun out WSs Radden, right? So are you guys implying by extention that Hagun out WSs Amanomurakumo without the 2x dmg proc? Because Radden has 1 more base dmg than Amano....seriously? So you're saying that a 2.6M or w/e GK will out perform the 180M+ GK? Really now...? I think Hagun fever just got a lil out of hand here lol idk
working on 4/8 for raden atm.
I think there's like 6 to 8 people further ahead of me on trials (at least that i know of), although I'm sure more than half are going for a kurodachi or w/e. The whole line of trials doesn't seem too terrible up until Lamprey. We'll see how things go... Ifrit.Eikechi said: I just thought about something, you guys were saying with Hagun Vs. Radden....let me get this straight..You guys were saying that Hagun out WSs Radden, right? So are you guys implying by extention that Hagun out WSs Amanomurakumo without the 2x dmg proc? Because Radden has 1 more base dmg than Amano....seriously? So you're saying that a 2.6M or w/e GK will out perform the 180M GK? Really now...? I think Hagun fever just got a lil out of hand here lol idk well you said earlier that YGK all have the same basic formulas so you're saying it does more for all 3 WS then? and yes i know what the TP function does on Hagun
Yes, it does more for all 3. If you understand what it does then the WS damage advantage should be readily apparent given that going from 100 to 200 TP is a whopping 18.8% increase to YGK damage if you're WSing at 100 TP...
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Maeya said: Sooo.. I got the donto. It has trial 658 written on it. Kill 200 flies or summat. I go up to The Boyahda tree. It's equipped. I kill a skimmer. It checks as DC. And nothing. What's up with that? Am I being blonde and missing something obvious? Well, you gotta' kill 200 of them. >_> Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Valefor.Ryukuro said: If anything i'm more keen to use the 89 base dmg Raddenotachi for RANA and 200-300tp YGK, even though i think there will be little if any difference with YGK between Radden and Hagun, still waits to be seen but RANA number with 89 base dmg is just pure sex on a sword. People who say Rana is ***dont know what hey are on about, with the right build and right GKT, Rana is a very very worthwhile sc to have and not just a "lesser" ws to YGK. FEAR THY RANA! Yes actually i tend to use my Tomoe or Love Halberd in most cases on most mobs (8/8 pole merits/riceball gear setup) but Rana is a very good and useful ws with the right gear and GKT when using a GKT, we weren't talking about poles were we? i'm on trial 4 of the kurodachi path btw...man this thing sucks to solo....lol 400 plantoids
Valefor.Mattyc said: why did you edit your first post lol... and no i dont need to see veg's parse, as far as polearm goes i could care less, traditional samurais use gk so should they on a video game lol, my post wasnt a arguement starter "not all sams merit polearm" nor carry the gear to support it, im sure veg got some outstanding parses to post but i'm not vegetto. and hes also a freak of nature lol... Actually in most cases (not just birds) i use polearm on my SAM and destroy any other SAM using GKT, fact is pure and simple 5hit vs 6hit cant compare when the polearm SAM is geared right using the right food (eg. riceball gear and tonosama balls). Obviously in some cases on some mobs Penta Thrust can be quite weak but everything is situational and should be treated as such =) |
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