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 Valefor.Argettio
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-04-23 06:24:42
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Bismarck.Khris said:
Can someone who has completed thier Raden test it with a high end ws build with bonus atk? For example hachiryu haidate, byrnie 1, Cerberus 1 or Foragers, Rutters, and the same old str build stuff, it seems to me like you would need to change your ws build to push more atk with the increase of base damage. I may be wrong but I would like to see some more testing done with this GK if possible. Also could you tell what your WS build was? Thanks

The attack boost is not related to TP, so if you cap attack with Hagun then you will with the new GKT and at this point a full STR build is the best way.
If you aren’t capping attack then yes, due to the higher base damage of the new GKT, the effect of STR will be diminished slightly, so may change the point where attack is better than STR. But not in a massive way.
The OAT GKT may need more accuracy in its WS build as the second hit is unlikely to benefit from the acc boost on the WS.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-04-23 07:20:57
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Valefor.Argettio said:
Bismarck.Khris said:
Can someone who has completed thier Raden test it with a high end ws build with bonus atk? For example hachiryu haidate, byrnie 1, Cerberus 1 or Foragers, Rutters, and the same old str build stuff, it seems to me like you would need to change your ws build to push more atk with the increase of base damage. I may be wrong but I would like to see some more testing done with this GK if possible. Also could you tell what your WS build was? Thanks

The attack boost is not related to TP, so if you cap attack with Hagun then you will with the new GKT and at this point a full STR build is the best way.
If you aren’t capping attack then yes, due to the higher base damage of the new GKT, the effect of STR will be diminished slightly, so may change the point where attack is better than STR. But not in a massive way.
The OAT GKT may need more accuracy in its WS build as the second hit is unlikely to benefit from the acc boost on the WS.

oat 2nd hit doesnt apply to ws.

otherwise lolsoboro would be the $%#@ :D lol.
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By Caitsith.Linear 2010-04-23 08:32:13
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lolSoboro is better than Hagun when you're meleeing fultime. >_>
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-04-23 08:40:50
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Caitsith.Linear said:
lolSoboro is better than Hagun when you're meleeing fultime. >_>

Who's ever doing that as sam? lol
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By Leviathan.Mdkuser 2010-04-23 14:32:53
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
Caitsith.Linear said:
lolSoboro is better than Hagun when you're meleeing fultime. >_>

Who's ever doing that as sam? lol

a sam that wants to deal damage.
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By rainlab 2010-04-23 14:46:43
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Leviathan.Mdkuser said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Caitsith.Linear said:
lolSoboro is better than Hagun when you're meleeing fultime. >_>

Who's ever doing that as sam? lol

a sam that wants to deal damage.

or one that doesn't have a Hagun...
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-04-23 14:52:17
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Leviathan.Mdkuser said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Caitsith.Linear said:
lolSoboro is better than Hagun when you're meleeing fultime. >_>

Who's ever doing that as sam? lol

a sam that wants to deal damage.

Full time DDing? as in never weapon skilling? Because that is the only way the lolsoboro is better than the hagun lol.
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By Siren.Mcclane 2010-04-23 15:07:51
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The two people who argued for Soboro doing damage don't have a Hagun in their equipment history.

Made me laugh.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-04-23 15:08:47
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Use the Onimaru if you have no hagun lol.

IT TOOK ME AGES TO GET IT MUST BE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-04-23 15:11:32
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
Leviathan.Mdkuser said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Caitsith.Linear said:
lolSoboro is better than Hagun when you're meleeing fultime. >_>

Who's ever doing that as sam? lol

a sam that wants to deal damage.

Full time DDing? as in never weapon skilling? Because that is the only way the lolsoboro is better than the hagun lol.
You're misreading and you're wrong. Meleeing fulltime = engaged and dealing damage, both TP and WS phase are in play. From a straight DPS standpoint Soboro can beat Hagun, but given SAM's access to polearm there's the potential for TP feed issues.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-23 15:12:24
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Siren.Mcclane said:
The two people who argued for Soboro doing damage don't have a Hagun in their equipment history.

Made me laugh.
Soboro will win on DoT for sure. Rly depends on how agressive. Hagun would have to beat soboro's frequency in dmg per ws.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-04-23 15:12:43
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Leviathan.Mdkuser said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Caitsith.Linear said:
lolSoboro is better than Hagun when you're meleeing fultime. >_>

Who's ever doing that as sam? lol

a sam that wants to deal damage.

Full time DDing? as in never weapon skilling? Because that is the only way the lolsoboro is better than the hagun lol.
You're misreading and you're wrong. Meleeing fulltime = engaged and dealing damage, both TP and WS phase are in play.

People should explain better then ^^
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-04-23 15:13:40
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
People should explain better then ^^
Nah, you're just not up to date with terminology :(
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-04-23 15:13:58
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
People should explain better then ^^
Nah, you're just not up to date with terminology :(

Damn kids with your rock music.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-23 15:14:39
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
People should explain better then ^^
Nah, you're just not up to date with terminology :(

Damn kids with your rock music.
kpop for me
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-04-23 15:16:33
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
People should explain better then ^^
Nah, you're just not up to date with terminology :(

Damn kids with your rock music.
kpop for me

To be fair, who doesn't like Jpop? Crazy people is who.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-04-23 15:28:57
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
To be fair, who doesn't like Jpop? Crazy people is who.
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By Valefor.Ryukuro 2010-04-23 16:53:56
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lolHagun
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By Caitsith.Linear 2010-04-23 17:16:23
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Siren.Mcclane said:
The two people who argued for Soboro doing damage don't have a Hagun in their equipment history. Made me laugh.

Not having Hagun does what for my argument exactly? Just because I don't have it, doesn't mean I don't understand how it works. I've seen (and done) the math. And it's honestly not as ZOMG worthy as everyone makes it out to be. It's what? About 5% stronger than Onimaru?

No Onimaru in your equipment history and you're arguing Hagun does damage. Made me laugh.

See how *** stupid that is?
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By Siren.Mcclane 2010-04-23 17:22:31
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Surprised there's no Onimaru in my equipment history, as I used one before my Hagun. And you just said that Hagun is better than Onimaru, so what's the point of not getting a Hagun?

EDIT: Just checked my equipment history, suprise, Onimaru is there. Might want to try harder next time.
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By Caitsith.Linear 2010-04-23 17:25:30
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It's barely better and costs ~19x more? Toooootally worth it.

I didn't comb through your history. Just sorta assumed.
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By Siren.Mcclane 2010-04-23 17:32:52
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Hmm, maybe I'm the only one that strives to have the best equipment :/

And yes, I know my gear isn't the best, but I don't try to justify things by saying "Oh, that piece isn't worth the price"
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-23 17:33:27
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Siren.Risqua said:
Siren.Mcclane said:
Hmm, maybe I'm the only one that strives to have the best equipment :/

And yes, I know my gear isn't the best, but I don't try to justify things by saying "Oh, that piece isn't worth the price"
Same person
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-04-23 17:34:12
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Wow, glad your not on my server with an attitude like that.
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By Caitsith.Linear 2010-04-23 17:34:53
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Siren.Mcclane said:
Hmm, maybe I'm the only one that strives to have the best equipment :/

And yes, I know my gear isn't the best, but I don't try to justify things by saying "Oh, that piece isn't worth the price"

Hagun isn't the best, though. Thanks for playing. Try harder next time.
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By Midgardsormr.Frobeus 2010-04-23 17:35:19
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Caitsith.Linear said:
It's barely better and costs ~19x more? Toooootally worth it.

I didn't comb through your history. Just sorta assumed.

I'd highly suggest that you avoid the cost vs usefulness argument.

Haub+1 is 20x more expensive than NQ, so HQ isn't worth it?
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By Siren.Mcclane 2010-04-23 17:35:33
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Siren.Risqua said:
Siren.Mcclane said:
Hmm, maybe I'm the only one that strives to have the best equipment :/

And yes, I know my gear isn't the best, but I don't try to justify things by saying "Oh, that piece isn't worth the price"
Same person

Yup. Didn't realize I had my mule as the character that posted that. Oops
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-23 17:36:02
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Caitsith.Linear said:
Siren.Mcclane said:
Hmm, maybe I'm the only one that strives to have the best equipment :/

And yes, I know my gear isn't the best, but I don't try to justify things by saying "Oh, that piece isn't worth the price"

Hagun isn't the best, though. Thanks for playing. Try harder next time.

However it's better than what you're currently using.
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By Caitsith.Linear 2010-04-23 17:37:15
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Not when there other upgrades to be made.

Usukane Sune-Ate are.. uhh... 100k(?) + coins and they're a fairly significant improvement over Haub+1.

Edit: About as "significant" as most upgrades are in the game, anyway.
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