Hades.Dizzmal said:
Sam will have 120 Tp @ start.
Absorb-TP says thanks for the TP!
DRK beats SAM in PvP just because magic does so well.
A Question For Veggeto
A question for Veggeto
Absorb-TP says thanks for the TP!
DRK beats SAM in PvP just because magic does so well.
Hades.Dizzmal said:
Ramuh.Sagittario said:
Hades.Dizzmal said:
lol yes I was one of the top Ballista players when it was big. Tell me how you think a Drk will get close enough to a Sam/rng to bind when it is getting hit by sidewinder from outside of Casting range
That is the same way a Sam/rng is effective in PvP. Things like Bind/Sleep ect has casting time. enough time in fact to have time to hti a Ranged WS before it gets off. I'm guessing that either you haven't been against a Sam/rng that had to skill to show you what it can do against most Melee type jobs. Barrage is a 4 hit ability that takes all Shadows against a /nin .. Sidewinder can easily hit 500-600 damage on a drk.
Sam will have 120 Tp @ start. As drk runs to attack/Bind/Sleep, Sam gets off a barrage killing the drks shadows(if/nin) and hitting him for at least 60-100 damage. Sidwinder will put up a good bit of Damage on him making the fight very unfavorable to start off with. Now the Sam can either run up and fight him straight up or sprint off and wait for another meditate to finish the job.
This is coming from a Drk. I have seen this done hundreds of times. Try it against a Sam/rng that knows how to Pvp if you think I'm full of crap.
@ Sag: you can think what you would like, but during a time when there was 20 ppl @ each level cap of ballista I was one of the top Ballista players on Hades. There is many players on Hades that can vouche for my Ballista skill.
If I had to chose on a 1 Vs 1 job in PvP, Drk wouldn't be it. I am a big fan of Pld/Rdm with atonement on most any kind of job combo when it comes 1 vs 1.
Well imo SAM using meditate and starting off with TP is cheating.
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It's not a 100% thing, as strategy comes into play as well as resist gear, but more often than now the drk will win, in my book. Only reason I can still take them down despite all that ***on mnk is simply because I have so much more hp than them. (and even then I'd say it's the toughest melee job to fight for me).
Garuda.Wooooodum said:
Hades.Dizzmal said:
Ramuh.Sagittario said:
Hades.Dizzmal said:
lol yes I was one of the top Ballista players when it was big. Tell me how you think a Drk will get close enough to a Sam/rng to bind when it is getting hit by sidewinder from outside of Casting range
That is the same way a Sam/rng is effective in PvP. Things like Bind/Sleep ect has casting time. enough time in fact to have time to hti a Ranged WS before it gets off. I'm guessing that either you haven't been against a Sam/rng that had to skill to show you what it can do against most Melee type jobs. Barrage is a 4 hit ability that takes all Shadows against a /nin .. Sidewinder can easily hit 500-600 damage on a drk.
Sam will have 120 Tp @ start. As drk runs to attack/Bind/Sleep, Sam gets off a barrage killing the drks shadows(if/nin) and hitting him for at least 60-100 damage. Sidwinder will put up a good bit of Damage on him making the fight very unfavorable to start off with. Now the Sam can either run up and fight him straight up or sprint off and wait for another meditate to finish the job.
This is coming from a Drk. I have seen this done hundreds of times. Try it against a Sam/rng that knows how to Pvp if you think I'm full of crap.
@ Sag: you can think what you would like, but during a time when there was 20 ppl @ each level cap of ballista I was one of the top Ballista players on Hades. There is many players on Hades that can vouche for my Ballista skill.
If I had to chose on a 1 Vs 1 job in PvP, Drk wouldn't be it. I am a big fan of Pld/Rdm with atonement on most any kind of job combo when it comes 1 vs 1.
Well imo SAM using meditate and starting off with TP is cheating.
Also, DRK taking damage? Drains are wonderfully damaging and replenish a LOT of HP in PvP standards at the same time. Bind/Sleep/Sleep II for crowd control, and Stun/Weapon Bash for Stuns and if you want to WS (try using Third Eye when stunned)!
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I think Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodum's comment was sarcasm.
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Bahamut.Raenryong said:
Also, DRK taking damage? Drains are wonderfully damaging and replenish a LOT of HP in PvP standards at the same time. Bind/Sleep/Sleep II for crowd control, and Stun/Weapon Bash for Stuns and if you want to WS (try using Third Eye when stunned)!
Why can't they give DRK Gravity :( would make things much easier! Hate people who are intelligent enough to not hit my spikes.
And yeah, bloody MNKs <_< it always turns into a battle of attrition which you win :(
And yeah, bloody MNKs <_< it always turns into a battle of attrition which you win :(
The whole Barrage~> WS thing is kinda dependent in 1v1 on two/three things also on top of the "having 120TP at the start while the DRK gets no prep"...
1. You are fighting a crash-test dummy in DRK armour that is incapable of reacting to anything you do and will just stand there.
2. Ranged attacks interupt casting in PvP unlike in the rest of the game (Honestly I dont know, can someone who does enlighten me?)
3. The DRK crash-test dummy starts at 700 HP and you start with 100+TP so instant Sidewinder after Barrage kills him outright so he cant Drain 1/2 it all back from your bound, helpless self.
PLD/RDM being able to paste DRK (read: everything)in PvP isn't really going to help a SAM vs a DRK, which is the question posed.
1. You are fighting a crash-test dummy in DRK armour that is incapable of reacting to anything you do and will just stand there.
2. Ranged attacks interupt casting in PvP unlike in the rest of the game (Honestly I dont know, can someone who does enlighten me?)
3. The DRK crash-test dummy starts at 700 HP and you start with 100+TP so instant Sidewinder after Barrage kills him outright so he cant Drain 1/2 it all back from your bound, helpless self.
PLD/RDM being able to paste DRK (read: everything)in PvP isn't really going to help a SAM vs a DRK, which is the question posed.
I'm surprised nobody's mentioned using sleep/kabura arrows.
MNK/PLD are my favorite DD to fight in pvp as BLU/PLD
They actually pose a challenge :o
They actually pose a challenge :o
Those suck actually. Very unlike sleep bolts from rng, I've seen those sleep arrows from sam get resisted many a time and the times they do land, they have a very short longevity. Though the para arrows do work well.
Hades.Dizzmal said:
Ramuh.Sagittario said:
Hades.Dizzmal said:
lol yes I was one of the top Ballista players when it was big. Tell me how you think a Drk will get close enough to a Sam/rng to bind when it is getting hit by sidewinder from outside of Casting range
Fairy.Vegetto said:
Drk/pld. Open w/ flash/sentinel. Gives you enough time to do w/e you want w/o any fear of harm from sam/rng at all.
For once I agree with Veg.
Yes you read that correct lol.
Dizzmal in a 1 on 1 you might be able to get one WS off then run away like a coward if your against a sluggish opponent, any player worth his salt would shut you down and rape you very quickly.
Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said:
MNK/PLD are my favorite DD to fight in pvp as BLU/PLD
They actually pose a challenge :o
They actually pose a challenge :o
Garuda.Wooooodum said:
Hades.Dizzmal said:
Ramuh.Sagittario said:
Hades.Dizzmal said:
lol yes I was one of the top Ballista players when it was big. Tell me how you think a Drk will get close enough to a Sam/rng to bind when it is getting hit by sidewinder from outside of Casting range
I think that I have been mistunderstood on the whole bind thing. If the only way you can find to win is to bind and kite around, I don't belive that is fair.
I'm not saying that certain stuff is not fair because 1 job can do it and the other can not. That goes with knowing your ememies strengths and weakness and matching the best job combo. Sam/rng is one of the easiest melee jobs to Kite while doing good damage against other DDs. I don't even have Sam leveled, I have seen this done in many offical matches.
The thing with Drk vs Sam is that the best subjob wouldn't be /rng. It would have to be either /nin or /Dnc. The thing that would kill Drk would be recast timers. The drks timing would have to be dead on for it to kill the Sam quickly.
With Sam/nin the drk would have to poionga> Bind then attack( Sleep wont work now because of poison.) by the time he starts casting absorb spells the Sam can get shadows back up again. Then the drk will have to repeat the -ga process in order to land some Enfeebs. Bind has a 40 sec recast.
I'll edit this post when I get back to work.
Weapon bash or stun, easily enough time to get bind off. Poisonga > stun > bind. If you're losing to sams on a regular basis as drk, then you should practice some more. Sam is seriously one of the easiest dd jobs to take out.
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Fairy.Vegetto said:
Weapon bash or stun, easily enough time to get bind off. Poisonga > stun > bind. If you're losing to sams on a regular basis as drk, then you should practice some more. Sam is seriously one of the easiest dd jobs to take out.
Second this, you can even neutralise a SAM 2hr if you are quick enough of the mark with stun and/or weapon bash.
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Pandemonium.Thanquol said:
Quote from Dark Helmet in Spaceballs:
"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
I have nothing helpful to say in this thread, but:
SPACEBALLS FTW!! ^^
"No, sir... I didn't see you playing with your dolls again."
Going by Spaceballs logic, SAM is even more trouble since they can't use the Schwartz..Lance. That and Crimson Legs let DRK move at "Ludicrous Speed"
Look up Sakaio and Darhell on youtube. They were both awesome 1v1 PvP drk/rdms. They both played dirty as ***, but they got the job done. Sakaio and I were 50/50 win/lose drk/rdm vs blu/rdm. He also beat my rdm/blu before. drks can be so god damn dirty in ballista 1v1 it's wicked sick. If your sam is winning with ease, then the problem lies with the drk. drk/rdm>drk/sam
Hades.Bez said:
Going by Spaceballs logic, SAM is even more trouble since they can't use the Schwartz..Lance. That and Crimson Legs let DRK move at "Ludicrous Speed"
I laughed so hard just then. I had forgotten about "ludicrous speed."
"May da Schwartz be wit'choo!"
Just out of sheer curiosity, why is this question direct towards vegetto specifically?
God sams go down like a pile of bricks in pvp
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Sylph.Beelshamen said:
Just out of sheer curiosity, why is this question direct towards vegetto specifically?
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i pvp as sam/blu + i bring all my enfeebles arrows(para sleep and silence) + with /blu i can take out shadows instantly + cocoon + stoneskin + poison potion....i doubt drk have much a chance since have no protection against a sam who can take instant shadows and silence them with WS and arrows or sleep or para them from a far
if is one on one then best job would be pld/rdm with atonement it goes through shadows and third eye...and never miss....
for some reason i never see on pvp sam using archery enfeebles arrows....
and Scythe is just too slow to take out third eye in time....and headbutt give knockback effect so make them interrupt their casting even without need of the stun effect
imo sam > drk ready to counter enfeebles like sleep bind...
i don't try sam/rng because i don't have soboro nor /dnc in ballista...i just go /blu only
fighting a blu or/and pld/rdm with atonement and joyeuse on ballista...is the worst nightmare 1 on 1 lol
if is one on one then best job would be pld/rdm with atonement it goes through shadows and third eye...and never miss....
for some reason i never see on pvp sam using archery enfeebles arrows....
and Scythe is just too slow to take out third eye in time....and headbutt give knockback effect so make them interrupt their casting even without need of the stun effect
imo sam > drk ready to counter enfeebles like sleep bind...
i don't try sam/rng because i don't have soboro nor /dnc in ballista...i just go /blu only
fighting a blu or/and pld/rdm with atonement and joyeuse on ballista...is the worst nightmare 1 on 1 lol
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@ poison potion. Not in 1 on 1 rly. Skill vs skill with the gear/jobs you have. Once you bring external items into it. It's not who'se better, it just becomes who feels like spending the most money to win.
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Fairy.Vegetto said:
@ poison potion. Not in 1 on 1 rly. Skill vs skill with the gear/jobs you have. Once you bring external items into it. It's not who'se better, it just becomes who feels like spending the most money to win.
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Fairy.Vegetto said:
@ poison potion. Not in 1 on 1 rly. Skill vs skill with the gear/jobs you have. Once you bring external items into it. It's not who'se better, it just becomes who feels like spending the most money to win.
Its a well known gentlemans rule that there are no items used in 1 on 1 PvP.
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