Fixing The MW 3-8 Cashgrab

Why I'm happy to pay my sub for ffxi and keep it profitable:



Some people have a high positivity bias, I do not. Some people think they will cross that bridge when we come to it, I prefer not to come to it at all.

I pay money on XI for purely selfish reasons, I don't want to be in the position the players of that game above are and I can afford it. I would almost guarantee many of the wildstar players who now miss the game, didn't spend money cause they didn't have to.

I'm not saying you should get all these mog wardrobes, I don't even have them all. I'm saying don't begrudge a company trying to keep a game profitable.

So after listening to everyone's thoughtful viewpoints here, I have decided to decide that:

1) "Cashgrab" doesn't describe the recent wardrobe increases.

2) And, I have decided to make the wardrobes optional for you to choose whether to use or not at your discretion.

Many thanks,
The Crew

SE has a buttload of cash. Much of it made from this game. There is no question as to whether they need cash to support FFXI.

They don't. They have plenty.

The question is do they want to invest it in this game... No.

Whatever they're doing for the 20th is already funded and mostly built. Any price increase at this point is just that. They're not using it to build you a sweet car bed that talks to other car beds or a waifu body pillow with Sylvie on it or whatever you're dreaming.

They just want more money.

You can argue over whether you think the content is worthy of the price, but there is no altruistic reason behind it. They're not raising prices to 'save the game' or whatever stupid crap. They're doing it for the shareholders.

Stop pretending this is somehow keeping the game afloat.

A few presumptuous assertions here:

1) They have plenty of cash, but are actively choosing not to invest in FFXI.

SE as a company have lots of money, but will they invest it into an MMO with a small community? Probably not. Limited resources and finite time mean no company invests into their small profit-making products or services. That's just logic.

2) They've already funded the 20th anniversary content.

I can't prove you wrong, but you can't prove you right either without concrete evidence of it.

3) They just want more money.

Yep. Which company doesn't?

4) Save the game or 'some other stupid crap'.

The longer something makes profit, the longer it will exist as a viable product/service. Again, logic.

I'd also add that I think the shareholders don't give two hoots about this game. They'd only care if it was making a loss. My presumptuous assertion is that shareholders spend most of their time looking at how to make BIG money/not lose money, not trying to squeeze a few dollars from us: the FFXI MMO nerds numbering in the thousands.

You know you have the option not to pay more and go with less inventory. But no. You want the good stuff without paying! Moar stuff!

Well, they want more money. What are you going to do about it?

Unsubbing entirely until you feel they're giving a product worthy of the subscription is always a valid approach. They need you more than you need them.

I'm much newer to FFXI than most, but that's always been the subscription deal to me. Pay the fee if you feel what you get is worth it, unsub if you do not and hope that will convince the developers to do more.

I also do not have 20 years of memories holding me hostage to this game in particular, though. Call me in another decade when I'm in your position but with XIV.

This.

I have said this so many times to those who do nothing but complain about everything related to FFXI. I'm not talking about those who give constructive criticism to things they think can be improved, I'm talking about those who have literally nothing but bad things to say about every little thing about FFXI and how SE operates while also simultaneously giving them money every month for a game they clearly don't like very much.

I've played FFXI for a majority of my life, literally, the game is almost as old as I am. But I frequently come back, get my fill, then unsub for a few months until they put out an update that piques my interest again. This approach would really help the negative nillies that frequent this forum.

Except if enough people did that, you wouldn't have a game to return to. It's been said a billion times, but this small niche MMO isn't something you can "vote with your wallet." They will simply see large decline in sub numbers and decide to axe the game, thats pretty much it.

The idea is to have more people than not enjoy the game month in and month out and stay sub'd. There's lots of said people, that's why the game is still getting updates after all these years.

Part of the reason I take breaks, a larger part at that, is I'm insanely busy. Full time job, college, studying for certifications, and a wife that likes attention. The smaller reason is I love to come back every couple of months and have something new to do or try out. I really miss the monthly job updates. They had me excited for every single update.

Yea well now you might not have something to come back to, no quitting allowed. Pay papa SE your monies and get those wardrobes too

I'll definitely get at least one extra the next time I'm back playing on my main

It's subjective. Is SE's need to make the amount of profit it does from FFXI less or more so than an individuals need to play this game, assuming even the slightest level of MMO addiction?

I'd argue probably not.

I'd also hazard a guess that not a single sub was cancelled as a direct result of these optional wardrobes.

https://gamerescape.com/2019/05/23/the-future-of-ffxi-famitsu-interview-with-akihiko-matsui-and-yoji-fujito/

https://screenrant.com/final-fantasy-xi-interview-director-producer-anniversary-future/

Both have quite a bit of relevant info that radialsock tends to lie about here constantly

itt: people who don't play or play it as a 2nd mmo telling us not to worry if they close it down, or to do things that will lead to that happening

If they close it down it will be because people quit due to being nickeled and dimed and a lack of meaningful content, not because shills aren't paying $2 for wardrobes.

shut up you doom saying sock account.

for all we know you don't even play

Holy ***, you two are out to make another 18 page pissing contest in each other's mouths again. Carry on.

on the contrary, i'm done.

radial is a sock, he is not worth arguing with.

wildstar is nothing like FFXI/SE. not only did it shutdown earlier and start later, the company who made it completely shut down too and was a start up to try and capture WoW's market/be a WoW killer.

he's a doom saying shill. not worth anyones time

Dont lie to yourselves even if the game shut down 70% of you would actually play a private server at the end of the day lol. even tho the wardrobe looks kinda cheap *** that i aint buying wardrobes

50% of the players dont play the game its just a multi box program, you know its all about the money when they leave like 5 servers with 100 players and not merge them lol

It's not your money, it's SE's money as you already gave it to them. SE could take that money, put it in a giant pile and light it on fire, wouldn't matter because it's their money to do with as they please. That is how private ownership of property and capital works. As a consumer you function on the demand side of the equation and have the choice to either purchase the suppliers product or not purchase the suppliers product.

This is why I said you people are entitled, you have the audacity to demand control of something you've voluntarily given away, after you have given it away. Appealing to the pitch fork mafia just fuels the lolz, very definition of millennials.

Some people think video games are charities, that run purely for their entertainment.

Can you show me someone who said they thought it was a charity? I wanna have a word with them.

no one thinks SE is doing charity cause they all pay a monthly fee for FFXI and video games are there purely for ppls entertainment.

it's simple, don't create problems you intend to sell a solution for later on. instead create good new content and ask a reasonable price for it and nobody is going to complain cause everyone is busy playing.

But... Radial just said some people do...


Very much agree. I know some still hold onto the "SE did not intend for people to have a whole bunch of geared jobs. But that was back in the 75 days, not days when you can level a job to 99 solo in a fraction of the time/effort it took to get a job to 75.

I mean, technically that was true. I recall the devs saying pre-Abyssea, most people didn't make it to 75.

Leveling a single job took months. Now you can 1-99 in like an hour. Isn't really the same set of circumstances

if they prefer the "it was not intended" narative then that's fine too i guess, because that would mean SE fkd up and if someone fks up they better unfk it free of charge.

As I mentioned, when they said that, it was still the level 75 era. So while that would not apply today, some still feel inclined to pretend it does.

The thing is, games can get held back in certain regards based on how they were originally designed.

For example, Yoshi is on record saying he still has to deal with ***from FFXIV 1.0 because of the engine they used. There was a major bug found during Endwalker's release that stemmed from 1.0 as well that was causing serious problems. Beginnings and foundations matter.

FFXI is even worse off, since it was designed 20 years ago with PS2 in mind and an intended 5 year lifespan. Hell, I bet SE would love to get rid of POL too. Fat chance of that happening though. Another relic from the past that just causes trouble.

no offense but 5 years life span my ***. when a company makes a MMO then with the intention to print money as long as possible. their roadmap was maybe only planned out 5 years ahead but no way they intended to pull the plug at that point.

I'm working at the moment, so I can't go digging, but I'll see if I can find the article that I was referencing when I'm off. Was a pretty nice read if memory serves.