Election 2020 The Horse Race (Not Misspelled)

I kinda want the Henry Winkler in "Barry".

You make ***up about Obama all the time, as recently as the last hour. Spying on political opponents? Never happened. The Senate just released their final report concluding there was no spying, we have also had an internal IG report saying there was no spying, yet here you and Trump are trying and failing to claim Obama spied on the Trump campaign. The report goes into great detail about all of the crimes committed by Trump associates that landed them in prison. They also fault the FBI for missteps in their legitimate investigation, but it was still a very legitimate investigation.

This is why the "Russian collusion" story has never hurt the Democrats. Members of the Trump campaign, including his family, went to great efforts to collude, actively seeking dirt on their political opponent and giving the Russians direct access to the campaign. The only reason there was "no collusion" is because the Russians didn't come through for Team Trump. I mean your son and your son-in-law, go to a "secret" meeting in your tower, your property, your name in on the building, to obtain dirt on your political opponent from Russian spies. And they were excited about it, like they were a couple of secret agents in a spy movie. What if they had gotten that dirt? And you think its all a hoax? And they spied on you? And its all Obama's fault? What if they had gotten that dirt?

so we're okay with govt enforcement groups falsifying documents so they can do an investigations and get warrants on people?

According to Vic, it's not illegal, unless, of course, a Republican and his administration does it.

Like I said, the Senate report detailed the FBI shortcomings, but it was a legitimate investigation. And there certainly was never any spying. Its just a buzzword that Trump flees to Everytime he gets cornered. No one spied on him, no one wiretapped Trump Tower, no one listened to his phone calls.

/yawn

would an investigation even taken place if the certain documents weren't falsified?

King, Vic, STOP IT.

Meanwhile ....

Trump Comes Up Empty When Pressed for Evidence of Election Fraud in Court
The Trump campaign’s 524-page response to a discovery demand turned up precisely zero instances of mail-in vote fraud.
The Intercept

Cops do it all the time. The FBI too. Its how they get no knock search warrants.

It has killed people.

It has led to calls to defund police, you are going to hear a LOT about defunding police this election.

P. S. The gestapo knocked.

Yes, absolutely.

I forgot about this, I remember checking for an update on deadline day and couldn't find anything. I was curious as to what he would come up with and he pretty much met my expectations. Zip.

It’s debatable if they could have landed the FISA warrants without falsified documents.

For Paige?

Not the first one, not even close. The last ones, sure, it's debatable. But that has nothing to do with the legitimate, and successful investigation and conviction of Manafort and Gates.

I can't tell if you are saying you are ok with them falsifying warrants because, "well....the cops have done it" or you are saying nobody should do it...or if you are saying it's ok if those who do it, do it against those you don't like, but not otherwise.

That is the liberal motto.

Do as I say, not as I do, and if you disagree, you are a racist, sexist homophobe.

Or I'll just wait for evidence showing they did. No one has ever provided any, because none exists, but that doesn't stop Trump and his supporters from screaming it as loud as they can. It's pretty hilarious. Regurgitating Trump tweets is never a good plan.

I heard a funny theory this morning ~

Since the USPS has a ton of issues as it is today and we flood 100M+ ballots into the system. That creates a logistical nightmare with distribution and collecting. The idea that it may take weeks or months to verify ballots properly (to see if any are falsely signed, dead people voting, didn't fill it out correctly etc) ~ If there isn't an overwhelming majority in either candidates favor (or if a candidate doesn't accept the verdict) there's going to be a ton of recounts and lawsuits from both sides. By Jan 20 since there's no clear winner we'll get President Pelosi

So, you are saying that the FICA documents that allowed Obama's FBI to spy on the Trump campaign didn't exist, nor that they continued to spy on Trump after he was elected but before he was sworn in.

I get it, you don't like facts. It makes your argument pointless, so you deny any and all facts that you deem bad for your narrative. Classic Vic.

That's the nice thing about in-person voting. Your dead relatives cannot vote, nor can your dog and cat vote either.

Why do you think the liberals/democrats want mail-in balloting? It's much easier to overwhelm the system and commit fraud than it is to have those pesky safeguards that prevents fraud in the first place.

It is literally the only way they can win elections now.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/20/politics/paterson-new-jersey-city-council-voter-fraud/index.html

nice

Really because the Democrats cruised to wins in 2018 without mail in voting. Hmm.

You are once again conflating a legal investigation, that resulted in convictions, with your "spying" buzzword. Also, Obama had no involvement, and of course, Biden had no involvement in the investigation. No one spied on the Trump campaign. The FBI investigated them, and they nailed the guy at the top of the ladder, who is still in prison. I love how you guys just ignore that fact because it shatters your narrative.

A) Dropped charges does not equal convictions.
B) Did you just admit that Obama has no clue as what is going on with an investigation that he was briefed on in January 2017, nor was the directing said investigation that he was briefed on?
C) If you are referring to Roger Stone, he isn't in jail. He was commuted before he was to report to prison. Even then, with Flynn's FISA warrant issue, his conviction is likely to be overturned thanks to the corruption of the FBI, which, I noticed, you refuse to acknowledge.
D) I have personally shown you evidence that Biden himself directed the FBI to meddle with Trump and his incoming administration. Without any basis to do so.

All this equals your willingness to ignore everything shown to you and for you to not face reality. I can already imagine the tears that will fall from your face when Trump wins again in November.

This is going to be easy.

A. None of the charges against the Trump campaign were dropped. Paul Manafort is still serving his sentence, Robert Gates and George P. did their time.
B. Obama and Biden still had nothing to do with the investigation into the Trump campaign, nor the convictions that came as a result of it. They didn't direct it, authorize it, help or hinder it. Obama didn't sign any FISA warrants, (I always liked that one), wiretap Trump Tower, or anything else. No one spied on the Trump campaign.
C. I wasn't talking about Roger Stone, but there is no chance of his conviction being overturned. He lied to Congress and Mueller and obstructed both of their investigations. I'm sure Trump will pardon him, but that doesn't mean he wasn't guilty. Even the rogue William Barr recommended against commuting his sentence. But Trump always takes care of the people that commit crimes on his behalf.
D. You didn't show Biden directing the FBI to do anything. Getting briefed and participating in the briefing, pointing out a crime, something he has the complete right, and obligation to do, especially when they realized Flynn had already lied to the incoming VP, is certainly not the same as "directing the FBI to take an action." Funny tho.

Again, your opinions do not equate reality. You presented no facts, as usual.

I would hope that my post obviously dripped disgusted disapproval all over the floor.

Also, I have a post graduate degree in snark. Please remember this in the future.

Funny. Ha. Also inaccurate.

If the whole election isn't settled by Jan 2, 2021 There is no congress. No house, no senate, and no speaker of the house.

If some house and senate races are concluded by the 2ed and others not only those who have won will be seated. The up in the air elections will seat no one. 2/3 of the senate is not up for re-election.

If there is no house in session the senate votes to elect a presiding officer*. They will vote by delegation not individually. CA gets one vote, WY gets one vote, etc.

With no house, and no speaker, the next in line is the presiding officer* of the senate and they can vote for anyone at all. President Hillary anyone? President Trump elected not by the people but the senate anyone?

*I forget the title, president pro tempore of the senate I think.

Guess what, those guys are not at "the top of the ladder". Those are bit players.
Obama may not have personally signed the FISA warrants, they were signed by the judges on the court (I guess you don't know anything about judicial process, chalk that up to your ever growing list of topics you have zero clue about). But you are absolutely wrong about them not "authorize/helped" it. They were both briefed on it, I already shown you that. If they didn't want it to continue, don't you think they would have stopped it at the briefing? Also, who was it who brought up the Logan Act again? Oh right, it was Biden.
See, that's the problem with you. You use ambiguous wording on everything you post (Trump's top campaign officials, this person, that person) but you never state any specifics. That's because you have no specifics to state, just broad strokes and hope and pray that some of them stick. I swear, you must work for CNN, the type of *** you throw at the wall smells just the same.
So, even more evidence that you refuse to even accept evidence. Why am I not surprised?

Let me guess, you think the moon landing never occurred because you didn't see it for yourself? The Berlin Wall didn't topple because you weren't there to topple it yourself?

The amount of denial is astonishing. Seek help, please.