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By Asura.Saevel 2020-08-08 17:12:31
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And President Trump just executed a boss move on Peloski and put her puppet in a position of either supporting his enemy or looking like a really bad guy. If the Dems challenge him in court, they risk losing the November election, if they don't Trump looks like a hero.

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$400 a week extra on unemployment.

Deferment on payroll taxes for those making under $100,000.

Extended protection from evictions.

Extended deferment on student loan repayment.

Those are all super popular among the unemployed and low and middle income workers. Democrats challenge them and Trump can campaign on the Democrats being heartless millionairess that are out to steal from the working class (sound familiar). If Biden says *anything* about it he risks losing the swing voters he badly needs. If he doesn't say anything he just looks even more like a puppet then he already does.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-08-08 17:13:28
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The problem with mail ins that they should be focusing on is the ability to make them disappear, not make them appear.

They're pushing the millions of faked ballots, totally ***.

What would work is that a carrier (anyone) can make thousands disappear. (harvesting)

Take all the ballots from detroit, and send them in. Take all the ballots from royal oak and set them on fire. No one would be able to prove it.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-08-08 17:18:25
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Here is the campaighn slogan for 2020

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While the Democrats played politics President Trump took action to protect millions of Americans

This reminds me of something a previous insanely popular President did.

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I've got a pen, and I've got a phone.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-08 17:21:10
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Viciouss said: »
Voter #1234 is mailed ballot #1234, which is why we don't even concern ourselves with the conspiracies of people voting on behalf of others.
Can you prove that Voter #1234 actually:

A) Received Ballot #1234
B) Voted with Ballot #1234
C) Mailed out Ballot #1234
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D) Ballot #1234 wasn't intercepted between Voter #1234 and Election Office in charge of Ballot #1234

Can you prove that for each of the millions of ballots to be issued this election with 100% certainty?
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By Viciouss 2020-08-08 17:35:34
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Asura.Saevel said: »
And President Trump just executed a boss move on Peloski and put her puppet in a position of either supporting his enemy or looking like a really bad guy. If the Dems challenge him in court, they risk losing the November election, if they don't Trump looks like a hero.

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$400 a week extra on unemployment.

Deferment on payroll taxes for those making under $100,000.

Extended protection from evictions.

Extended deferment on student loan repayment.

Those are all super popular among the unemployed and low and middle income workers. Democrats challenge them and Trump can campaign on the Democrats being heartless millionairess that are out to steal from the working class (sound familiar). If Biden says *anything* about it he risks losing the swing voters he badly needs. If he doesn't say anything he just looks even more like a puppet then he already does.

HAHAHAHA, where do these fantasies even come from??This is just another failed EO, like all of his other ones this year. It's getting blocked before anything takes effect, with zero repurcussions for anyone. This is great comedy today guys.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-08-08 17:37:16
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Viciouss said: »
Voter #1234 is mailed ballot #1234, which is why we don't even concern ourselves with the conspiracies of people voting on behalf of others.
Can you prove that Voter #1234 actually:

A) Received Ballot #1234
B) Voted with Ballot #1234
C) Mailed out Ballot #1234
or
D) Ballot #1234 wasn't intercepted between Voter #1234 and Election Office in charge of Ballot #1234

Can you prove that for each of the millions of ballots to be issued this election with 100% certainty?

Voter #4389 too the ballots for voters 1234, 1235, 1236 and 2367, filled them out and mailed them in.

Remember lots of voters don't actually bother voting, that leaves a whole lot of unaccounted for ballots floating around. Ballots that a tattooed purple haired twenty-something could pick up and check off "anyone not Trump".

Like I said this is just the Democrats trying to create an insurance policy for Novembers election. It's a long shot as it likely wont' be approved in the states it needs to be approved in. California will vote for Potato over Trump, same for New York, Illinois and Democrat strongholds. Democrats aren't gonna be able to manipulate enough votes in Republican strongholds to make any difference. This leaves just a handful of states, like Florida, that they will concentrate their efforts in. Rural area's have low voter densities and aren't effective for ballot modification, urban and suburban areas on the other hand are usually controlled by Democrats and they can effect the vote collections there.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-08-08 17:47:50
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Here is Florida 2016 results

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/florida

Trump: 4,617,886
Clinton: 4,504,975

Only 113,000 votes would need to be altered and that can be done almost entirely in three locations.

Miami-Dade
Broward
Orange

If a fourth is needed then Palm Beach would work.

Now repeat that in several other key states like Ohio or Pennsylvania.

Not mass voter fraud, just carefully targeted completely undetectable fraud.
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By Viciouss 2020-08-08 18:11:50
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Voter #4389 too the ballots for voters 1234, 1235, 1236 and 2367, filled them out and mailed them in.

Remember lots of voters don't actually bother voting, that leaves a whole lot of unaccounted for ballots floating around. Ballots that a tattooed purple haired twenty-something could pick up and check off "anyone not Trump".

"A lot of unaccounted for ballots floating around?" This is great stuff guys. There is this thing we have, that we have seen used in the primaries already, called "signature matching." Pretty much destroys this entire conspiracy. You have to sign your ballot. So no, Voter #1234 will not be "picking up" "other ballots" from God knows where exactly (???), and faking the signature of a person they don't even know the name of. But please, continue on.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-08 19:12:56
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Viciouss said: »
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Voter #4389 too the ballots for voters 1234, 1235, 1236 and 2367, filled them out and mailed them in.

Remember lots of voters don't actually bother voting, that leaves a whole lot of unaccounted for ballots floating around. Ballots that a tattooed purple haired twenty-something could pick up and check off "anyone not Trump".

"A lot of unaccounted for ballots floating around?" This is great stuff guys. There is this thing we have, that we have seen used in the primaries already, called "signature matching." Pretty much destroys this entire conspiracy. You have to sign your ballot. So no, Voter #1234 will not be "picking up" "other ballots" from God knows where exactly (???), and faking the signature of a person they don't even know the name of. But please, continue on.
Explain first time voters then.

Explain people who never voted, but somehow are voting with mail-in ballots.

Explain how cats and dogs are on voting rolls and are voting by mail-in ballots.

Explain how your dead grandma somehow voted this year.

Explain all of that please.

Oh wait, you can't.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-08-08 19:17:50
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None of those are specific to mail in. Any bad actor can volunteer then run thousands of votes through under all the names that didn't come in.

Americans are the problem, not the medium in which they vote.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-08 19:22:25
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
None of those are specific to mail in. Any bad actor can volunteer then run thousands of votes through under all the names that didn't come in.

Americans are the problem, not the medium in which they vote.
Mail-in balloting gives them an added opportunity, and a much easier to breach opportunity, to commit fraud.

Just because it's not a sole "mail-in ballot issue" doesn't mean that it cannot be affected by such lax protocols.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-08-08 19:23:15
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Really it's much easier to hack the machine and put in millions of votes than to mail in fake ones or harvest mail ins.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/liberal-group-sends-masses-of-mail-in-ballot-applications-to-voters-many-with-errors-peeving-election-officials

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mail-in-voting-group-potentially-misleading-ballot-applications

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But due to a "programming error," voters in several cities that share a name with a county and vice versa were sent ballots with incorrect return addresses on the prepaid envelope: Fairfax City, Fairfax County, and the cities and counties of Franklin, Richmond, and Roanoke.

Approximately half a million applications sent to eligible voters in Virginia included incorrect information, and we are working diligently to address the issues,” a spokesperson for Center for Voter Information told the Washington Examiner. “We know that voters are on high alert as the November election approaches, and we regret adding to any confusion.” It plans to work with local officials to direct the applications to their proper locations and “rectify any errors at our own expense.”

nice
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-08-08 20:24:50
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At this point it's going to be awfully difficult to tell the difference between voter fraud and sheer incompetence.
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By Viciouss 2020-08-08 20:25:02
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Voter #4389 too the ballots for voters 1234, 1235, 1236 and 2367, filled them out and mailed them in.

Remember lots of voters don't actually bother voting, that leaves a whole lot of unaccounted for ballots floating around. Ballots that a tattooed purple haired twenty-something could pick up and check off "anyone not Trump".

"A lot of unaccounted for ballots floating around?" This is great stuff guys. There is this thing we have, that we have seen used in the primaries already, called "signature matching." Pretty much destroys this entire conspiracy. You have to sign your ballot. So no, Voter #1234 will not be "picking up" "other ballots" from God knows where exactly (???), and faking the signature of a person they don't even know the name of. But please, continue on.
Explain first time voters then.

Explain people who never voted, but somehow are voting with mail-in ballots.

Explain how cats and dogs are on voting rolls and are voting by mail-in ballots.

Explain how your dead grandma somehow voted this year.

Explain all of that please.

Oh wait, you can't.

I don't need to?
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-08-08 20:29:22
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
At this point it's going to be awfully difficult to tell the difference between voter fraud and sheer incompetence.

That's what makes this such a good thing for Democrats, they can disguise voter fraud with incompetence.
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By Viciouss 2020-08-08 20:33:19
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Asura.Saevel said: »
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At this point it's going to be awfully difficult to tell the difference between voter fraud and sheer incompetence.

That's what makes this such a good thing for Democrats, they can disguise voter fraud with incompetence.

Yes, just the Dems. Lol
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-08 20:51:04
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Viciouss said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Voter #4389 too the ballots for voters 1234, 1235, 1236 and 2367, filled them out and mailed them in.

Remember lots of voters don't actually bother voting, that leaves a whole lot of unaccounted for ballots floating around. Ballots that a tattooed purple haired twenty-something could pick up and check off "anyone not Trump".

"A lot of unaccounted for ballots floating around?" This is great stuff guys. There is this thing we have, that we have seen used in the primaries already, called "signature matching." Pretty much destroys this entire conspiracy. You have to sign your ballot. So no, Voter #1234 will not be "picking up" "other ballots" from God knows where exactly (???), and faking the signature of a person they don't even know the name of. But please, continue on.
Explain first time voters then.

Explain people who never voted, but somehow are voting with mail-in ballots.

Explain how cats and dogs are on voting rolls and are voting by mail-in ballots.

Explain how your dead grandma somehow voted this year.

Explain all of that please.

Oh wait, you can't.

I don't need to?
Because you don't have an answer doesn't mean that your point is valid.

Guess what? Your non-answer proved my point 100%.

Thank you for that.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-08-08 20:59:30
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
At this point it's going to be awfully difficult to tell the difference between voter fraud and sheer incompetence.
I will go incompetence over fraud about 50 / 1, probably more.

Remember that temp election workers skew heavily to retired people who are avoiding such work in droves today. So we have less workers and a high percentage of first timers.
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By Viciouss 2020-08-08 21:00:49
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Because you don't have an answer doesn't mean that your point is valid.

Guess what? Your non-answer proved my point 100%.

Thank you for that.

You didn't make any kind of a point, neither you or Saevel have even come close. Signature matching destroys your *** conspiracies. There aren't going to be a bunch of blank ballots "floating around." They are all gonna have ID numbers, matched to the corresponding voter. One random person isn't gonna be able to submit a bunch of random ballots that they "found somewhere."
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By Anna Ruthven 2020-08-08 21:02:19
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#1 Where did they get those lists? Majority of the country never bothers to vote much less keep their address up to date.
I'm registered to vote, they give you ***to fill out if you aren't registered. Idk if they let you vote in such a case, I've been registered since I was 18.
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By Viciouss 2020-08-08 21:02:59
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
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At this point it's going to be awfully difficult to tell the difference between voter fraud and sheer incompetence.
I will go incompetence over fraud about 50 / 1, probably more.

WAY MORE. Remember, voters committing voter fraud is a minisicule occurrence, as every election proves. 2016 had what, .000006% voter fraud? The primaries so far have had about that same percentage (or less). People aren't committing fraud with their ballots.
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By Viciouss 2020-08-08 21:06:55
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#1 Where did they get those lists? Majority of the country never bothers to vote much less keep their address up to date.
I'm registered to vote, they give you ***to fill out if you aren't registered. Idk if they let you vote in such a case, I've been registered since I was 18.

Its a mind blowing concept, registering to vote when you get your drivers license, updating your address when you move and re-registering to vote when you do so. Its unbelievable that so many adults are able to move and update their address.
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By Viciouss 2020-08-08 21:12:48
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Wow Trump walked out of his "press conference" today after getting fact checked live and told he was lying his *** off? Fun stuff. And some people think he pulled one over on Congress by signing illegal EOs. Right.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2020-08-08 21:52:19
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Vic, I never knew you were Egyptian.
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Wow Trump walked out of his "press conference" today after getting fact checked live and told he was lying his *** off? Fun stuff. And some people think he pulled one over on Congress by signing illegal EOs. Right.

So you are against him signing EOs that give people on unemployment benefits an extra $400 (which I still don't understand why they need), extending payroll tax cuts and extending a moratorium on evictions?

Do you folks at least see how those of us not constantly Trump bashing think nothing he will do short of keeling over dead will satisfy the left? It really just looks like you guys get mad because Democrats can't stamp it as something they did.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-08-08 22:11:22
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Against him trying to bribe another four years out of people to stupid to understand it's a bribe.

Dems won't settle for 200 so here's 400! Vote me back in!
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-08-08 22:11:59
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Anna Ruthven said: »
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#1 Where did they get those lists? Majority of the country never bothers to vote much less keep their address up to date.
I'm registered to vote, they give you ***to fill out if you aren't registered. Idk if they let you vote in such a case, I've been registered since I was 18.

I know people get registered to vote when they get a drivers license, then how often do people maintain it after that? What is the probability that blank ballots get sent to wrong address's? Those that never vote don't even bother keeping that stuff up to date.

Again my objective isn't absentee voting, it's in mass mailing blank ballots regardless if someone requests one or not. If someone wants to vote but doesn't feel comfortable going to a voting center, then they should be able to request an absentee ballot.
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By Prong 2020-08-08 22:14:15
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What are you trying to "prevent?" Millions of "blue haired twenty-somethings" from voting? There is another, more accurate phrase to describe those people. How about "eligible voters." Why are you trying to prevent eligible voters from voting?


Again, how is requiring people to vote in person with an ID trying to "prevent" them from voting? ESPECIALLY those "blue haired" youngin's who are more than capable of getting off their lazy *** to register and drive to go vote? This argument that not allowing mail-in voting and requiring IDs somehow prevents mass swaths of people from voting has never made any sense.
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By Viciouss 2020-08-08 22:15:36
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Wow Trump walked out of his "press conference" today after getting fact checked live and told he was lying his *** off? Fun stuff. And some people think he pulled one over on Congress by signing illegal EOs. Right.

So you are against him signing EOs that give people on unemployment benefits an extra $400 (which I still don't understand why they need), extending payroll tax cuts and extending a moratorium on evictions?

Do you folks at least see how those of us not constantly Trump bashing think nothing he will do short of keeling over dead will satisfy the left? It really just looks like you guys get mad because Democrats can't stamp it as something they did.

Yes, believe it or not, I didn't support Obama trying to legislate via Executive Order, and neither did the Republicans. But now that Trump is trying (and failing) at it, the GOP is all of sudden A-OK with it. Everything he did today is illegal, and will be blocked immediately by the courts. None of that crap that he did today will come to pass until Congress passes their bill (which they will). It doesn't buy time, it doesn't create pressure, it doesn't do anything.
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