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By SimonSes 2024-03-15 08:57:12
Afaik all V25 NMs has some native attack bonus buff, that can't be overwritten by any attack down, including even Ooze from BST. Only def down works.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2024-03-15 09:00:53
I'm not 100% on that, I'd need to verify to be sure. Since slug doesn't give wear off messages I'd never know if the atk down landed or not. Easy enough thing to check, if Demoralizing Roar gives a no effect message then there it is
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By Asura.Saevel 2024-03-15 09:17:51
With the WAR method we can usually kill before SV songs wear off, hate becomes the real enemy though. Tomahawk with 50% uptime is massive for everyone but especially the COR and BRD not walling each others Savage Blade.
PLD (or RUN)
GEO <== (this spot can be swapped around depending)
WAR
COR
BRD
WHM
With a BLU over a WAR, not sure how much that'll impact total DPS.
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By Asura.Sechs 2024-03-15 09:38:39
BLU would be over GEO using your setup.
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By Asura.Saevel 2024-03-15 09:52:05
Ok so you still have a WAR doing Calamity with Tomahawks / Warcry and the usual stuff? Then the BLU is primarily there for debuffs with some bonus DPS, though as Proth said landing defense down might be hard. What you can try to do is time your initial SV songs so that the moment they are finished, the bard can run up with the paladin and land Wind Threnody on the TRex while JA's are still up. That is what we did and I always opened the fight with Armor Break.
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By Valefor.Aspens 2024-03-15 11:16:03
Haven't seen tomahawk reset ws wall during dynamis, is there source for WS walling benefits of tomahawk in ody? Or do you mean they are using non slashing ws?
By SimonSes 2024-03-15 11:31:12
Haven't seen tomahawk reset ws wall during dynamis, is there source for WS walling benefits of tomahawk in ody? Or do you mean they are using non slashing ws?
It doesn't reset WS wall, it reduces it by 30% (so from 10% reduction to 7%, from 25% to 17%). I wouldn't call that massive, but I heard worse exaggerations.
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By Asura.Saevel 2024-03-15 14:16:46
Haven't seen tomahawk reset ws wall during dynamis, is there source for WS walling benefits of tomahawk in ody? Or do you mean they are using non slashing ws?
Tomahawk is identical to Rayke in reducing special resistances except it's for everything not just a specific element. In the case of Ody NM's, it reduces the effect of that wall and is very noticeable. "Reset" is probably the wrong word, it reduces the percentile reduction making the WS wall not as strong.
By SimonSes 2024-03-15 14:51:10
Haven't seen tomahawk reset ws wall during dynamis, is there source for WS walling benefits of tomahawk in ody? Or do you mean they are using non slashing ws?
Tomahawk is identical to Rayke in reducing special resistances except it's for everything not just a specific element. In the case of Ody NM's, it reduces the effect of that wall and is very noticeable. "Reset" is probably the wrong word, it reduces the percentile reduction making the WS wall not as strong.
Again it reduces the wall by 30%, which i quite impactful on highest wall tier, taking it from -85% damage to -60%, which is +166% damage, but to reach that tier of wall, you would need to make same WS 6 times in a row, which is super rare even with 3ppl doing Savage and only one person doing other WS. Normally there is like 2 ppl doing same WS and 2ppl doing other WSs, so highest tier wall you gonna face is maybe tier II which is -25% and tomahawk will take it to -17%, which is +10% damage and most of the time you will face tier I wall in such scenario, which is -10% damage, which Tomahawk reduces to -7%, so +3.3% damage. I wouldn't call that very noticeable or massive, but it certainly helps.
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By Asura.Sechs 2024-03-15 17:18:16
Used Scouring Spate a lot, but could never catch the message of the effect wearing off, not on Kalunga, not on the adds.
Which in itself doesn't necessarily mean anything, maybe I simply didn't catch the message.
Which leaves me a bit torn on it.
If it worked at least on the adds it would be real nice in reducing the damage taken when 2 adds are out, but I get this feeling that it doesn't.
Anybody has more accurate data on Spate vs Kalunga v25 and adds?
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By Asura.Psycosocial 2024-03-15 18:05:59
Used Scouring Spate a lot, but could never catch the message of the effect wearing off, not on Kalunga, not on the adds.
Which in itself doesn't necessarily mean anything, maybe I simply didn't catch the message.
Which leaves me a bit torn on it.
If it worked at least on the adds it would be real nice in reducing the damage taken when 2 adds are out, but I get this feeling that it doesn't.
Anybody has more accurate data on Spate vs Kalunga v25 and adds?
Just going to throw this in since I am your tank. Damage is really manageable and you would be better putting the points in something offense oriented. P. Embrace I wouldn't expect full uptime on everyone, but I want it on the WAR. Nothing ultra mega fancy on this fight. Just keep fishing for no Lahar/debilitating spout shenanigans.
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By Valefor.Aspens 2024-03-15 21:08:46
Again it reduces the wall by 30%, which i quite impactful on highest wall tier, taking it from -85% damage to -60%, which is +166% damage, but to reach that tier of wall, you would need to make same WS 6 times in a row, which is super rare even with 3ppl doing Savage and only one person doing other WS. Normally there is like 2 ppl doing same WS and 2ppl doing other WSs, so highest tier wall you gonna face is maybe tier II which is -25% and tomahawk will take it to -17%, which is +10% damage and most of the time you will face tier I wall in such scenario, which is -10% damage, which Tomahawk reduces to -7%, so +3.3% damage. I wouldn't call that very noticeable or massive, but it certainly helps.
thanks for explaining, makes sense to me
for kalunga I did use plenilune if it was >10% potency and it helps a lot to put on war during first aura attack down, but you're still kinda in trouble with 2nd aura attack down and it's helpful to drop on the war during mighty strikes, but it's definitely not a make or break. On good diffusion resets I would just aoe nat. meditation for everyone
edit: also never did I ever see scouring spate land on kalunga and I dropped it. also tried tickle/reaving wind, plague, counterstance and dropped them all. Bottom line you just have to kill it- a few white winds can save a run but you can't do the WHM's job, at the end of the day you have to kill it, tank has to tank it, and whm has to heal through it. the better your damage is through each phase, the more time you can afford having people turn away during the last 25% when he starts spamming more abilities. generally you can survive each ability but when he starts hitting you with two in a row is when the run starts failing
By SimonSes 2024-03-16 02:13:00
For Kalunga we had PLD tank both adds and main heal everyone and I was helping with cures on BLU (white wind on me, DRK, COR and BRD and emergency magic fruit on RUN if required). The only problem we faced was RUN being one shot with combination of dispel > serration back to back. Other than that it was pretty simple. On our winning run we even had magic defense down aura from 40% and still survived.
We also ate food with fire res to have positive fire res all the time. It was either shrimp or pork.
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By Shiva.Myamoto 2024-03-16 07:18:17
We got our v25 Kalunga win with PLD,WAR,BLU,COR,BRD,WHM. Had reasonable time to spare... I think 3+ minutes ish? Took a few different set ups to figure out what was best for us but the above won with time to spare and felt easy. Enmity was our biggest woe, eventually WAR would cap enmity and kalunga would start bouncing and when back line got dispelled it was game over. Once we came up with our solution for the WAR enmity we won the very next round when we tried it. Calamity,Expac,Savage are all super strong and pair well with warcry resets. Tomahawk is a nice bonus as well. Blu imo fits in nicely for the set up because as the WAR I didn't fumble around with armor break post 40 just at start, then went ham with MS warcrys and tomahawks, BLU did tourbillion 40%, was able to maintain MG full fight and suppress tp on adds a couple times so that they didn't RNGesus dispel back line.
By K123 2024-03-16 07:28:47
What is the idea behind Calamity? Why is it the best to use? Sc with SB?
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By Shiva.Myamoto 2024-03-16 07:36:09
Calamity is very strong, scales well with tp, especially on WAR with no subjob, warcry and fencer tp bonus are your best native tools to make use of and no native JA haste. It is your best option to not wall the savage blade train. Same idea with expac on blu, super strong, scales well with tp and doesn't wal the savagerrrssss. Skillchain for proc when needed was Expac > Ruinator... this repeats indefinitely making it very simple.
Its all about the wall.
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By Asura.Psycosocial 2024-03-16 07:39:32
What is the idea behind Calamity? Why is it the best to use? Sc with SB?
fTP/Stat modifiers are really nice. Main take away is abusing the TP bonus/Fencer effects for WAR 1H (Ikenga Axe is nutty RP'd). Ideally you want to Calamity...Mistral Axe if no one is WSing in-between.
edit: What above said
By K123 2024-03-16 10:30:37
Skillchain for proc when needed was Expac > Ruinator... this repeats indefinitely making it very simple. This is what I wanted to know, cool stuff. I have R25 axe so could WAR Kalunga V25 other char, really don't want to WHM it again.
By Krog 2024-03-16 11:42:50
So what actually was the solution to hate cap that made the win easy?
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2024-03-16 11:59:10
If I had to guess, based on that job setup, I'd say changing a song to dirge on the DD. But they can confirm.
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By Shiva.Myamoto 2024-03-16 12:13:54
Oh sorry, nope Dirge was not enough, eventually would cap enmity regardless. Our defeats were never due to actual deaths caused by fire/magic damage. We replaced Fire Carol II specifically only on WAR with a SV Ballad III, ran entrust refresh from lobby, and I drank Kitron juices when I could remember, more so when entrust bubble was gone. The result was completely maximizing enmity reduction from full time Schere earring for the whole fight. My mp refresh was like 25-30/tic if I recall. Otherwise my schere earring reduction was pretty much negligible with only viles/devotion, mp would be gone most of the fight resulting in hardly any additional enmity reduction. SV ballad III resolved that issue, entrust refresh and juices were just extra really.
Edit: If I recall songs for everyone were HM,Minuet,Minuet,Dirge,Carol II, Sirvente for PLD obviously and then yeah as mentioned for WAR Ballad III instead of Carol II
And perhaps calling the fight "easy" was incorrect by me. We tried several different approaches and failed many times. However consistently, enmity cap seemed to be our biggest enemy and always resulted in our failure regardless of composition. This change resolved that issue for us and resulted in a win on our first try with it implemented.
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By Asura.Saevel 2024-03-16 13:20:24
What is the idea behind Calamity? Why is it the best to use? Sc with SB?
The COR and BRD are doing Savage Blade so the WAR needs to use something else, an Axe WS. Of the Axe WS's two have good fTP scaling, Mistral Axe and Calamity. While Mistral has better fTP, it's WSC is only 50% STR while Calamity has 50% both STR and 50% VIT, making it stronger in todays iLevel / ML stat everywhere world. The BLU would usually be using Expiation with a TP Bonus offhand.
For songs we found the following really solid.
SV
Dirge
Fire Carol II
Minuet IV (or Victory March if keeping Haste / MG is too hard)
Minuet V
Honor March
Add in Barfira and Shadow Ring for over 60% chance to take 0 damage on magic attacks.
The real issue is going to be those adds hitting hard, some folks might want to switch out Minuet IV for Minne V and so forth. We had a GEO who did Indi-Barrier / Geo-Fury to slow down the damage. The WAR going full-tilt is going to pull hate, they need to slow down from 75~40% and let the COR/BRD or BLU take up the slack. Then under 40% you start ability rotations again with RD/WC/RD MS Warcry silliness.
Oh I see someone mentioned Tomahawk, that info isn't exactly correct. It will reduce SDT by 30% multiplicative, -50% becomes -35%, -100% becomes -70% and so forth. Its effect on the WS wall seems to be like Rayke's, additively. Meaning -60% WS wall becomes -30%, and -30% becomes -0%. It seems the "WS Wall" was done similarly to how the "Nuke Wall" is done, a separate stacking reduction term added to the damage formula, and Tomahawk reduces that term directly. It's quite noticeable if you are used to fighting without it. Shortly after V25 came out, we were doing Kalunga as our typical setup, and the COR and BRD were spamming Savage Blade while I was using Empy Axe. For giggles I hit Tomahawk then Cloudsplitter for 5~6K on a magic immune boss. Immediately afterward our BRD said "wtf just happened my Savages almost doubled in damage".
By SimonSes 2024-03-16 14:09:40
Nice anecdote, but I would like to see proofs, because Aspens anecdote is exactly in opposition to yours.
By Taint 2024-03-16 14:22:22
Wouldn't Farsha be better than Ikenga Axe? Seems like a lot of that 500tp bonus is wasted with Fencer and warcry.
By SimonSes 2024-03-16 14:41:53
Wouldn't Farsha be better than Ikenga Axe? Seems like a lot of that 500tp bonus is wasted with Fencer and warcry.
Yeah with Warcry, Moonshade and Empy legs, you are at minimum 2910 effective TP. On the other hand Ikenga's has 5%WSD, 6 more damage, 40 more attack, 10% crit rate and 55 more accuracy, so Ikenga's would probably slightly win for WS damage even with whole TP bonus wasted. Farsha would probably still pull ahead in overall dps with AM3 up, but AM3 requires to first sacrifice 2+ WSs worth of damage, because instead of over 2 1000TP WSs, you would need to make one 3000TP Cloudsplitter doing almost no damage, so I think it wouldn't be exactly great.
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By Asura.Saevel 2024-03-16 15:16:44
Wouldn't Farsha be better than Ikenga Axe? Seems like a lot of that 500tp bonus is wasted with Fencer and warcry.
If you have it sure, most don't and Ikenga is the next best. Without any RP it's still bonus STR, Atk, Acc, Crit and WSD. The TP Bonus doesn't show up until past R20 and most people attempting this might only have Rank 15~20.
By K123 2024-03-16 17:25:41
most people attempting this might only have Rank 15~20. Xevioso V20 isn't hard if you have a DNC. I'd expect anyone trying V25 would be R25 on the axe.
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By Asura.Saevel 2024-03-16 18:11:12
most people attempting this might only have Rank 15~20. Xevioso V20 isn't hard if you have a DNC. I'd expect anyone trying V25 would be R25 on the axe.
Most go in the other direction. V25 Kalunga -> V25 Xevioso -> V25 Ngai, then the rest. They may or may not have time to actually upgrade the Axe after getting an easy V0/V1 clear.
By K123 2024-03-18 07:13:25
If you do Arebati V20 as RUN PLD RNG COR BRD SCH, how does the PLD stay above hate of the RNG to the point that they can drag the pet away?
By Shadoni 2024-03-18 07:24:57
Everyone except RUN can run away, then SCH can caper emissarius the PLD
Hmmm...
Initial Speculations:
Looks like they took components of Walk of Echoes (setting), and Elemental Circles and brought it together.
They must of learned new ideas through the Lilith HTBF and how they can play with those elemental fetters to create unique battlefield environment and apply further stress with them..
Instead of Abyssea, this may be a Walk of Echoes 3.0? Anything iLvl 140+ .. We are ready!
Keep this thread clean, hoping to post critical details and discuss strategies.. Eventually I will create a Node on this with full details.. We can then update BG-Wiki with information that we gather..
Those of you who play on Nasomi.. Please don't post on here, you have a Fafnir to camp.. so get back to work.. This is isn't Bubbly Bernie version 3.0. He will be OG 1.0 forever on Nasomi.. ^_^
Sorry about the delay on updating this as I have been slammed with a lot of work since COVID-19 defense ramp up procedures at my hospital facility.
I have barely had time to update and barely any time to explore this content myself. I appreciate everyone's work so far. I will update this OP Thread with some resources and information that people have found across all servers including videos and screenshots..
Keeping this as a basic vital post highlight source so as new posts with vital information emerges I will just pin it here so it is all in one space and no need to jump around different pages..
To Begin.. The Basic Release Info from SE:
Some First Initial Basic Discoveries:
looks like you enter through Rabao
And you have 30 min to kill a bunch of trash mobs. Probably a boss at the end too.
More Initial Entry Discoveries Pinned:
About to enter Odyssey for the first time.
I'll report back. Setup is PUP, COR, BLU x2, SMN, RDM
Ok, it's looking like they made this content specifically to prevent BLUs from cleaving through this content.
Only main target took full damage. Surrounding targets took 90% reduced damage (main targeet 15k, all others 500 or less)
All mobs can be fully enfeebled (Sleep, Silence, Slow, Para) but standard rules apply for mob types (we saw Skeletons, couldn't Blind them)
I can very easily see a RUN or PLD tank running in and aggroing the group of mobs, with a BRD sleeping them all. 2 DDs kill one by one with proper support. SMN Bloodpacts were doing full damage on single mobs (same rules for BLU applied for SMN when we tried Thunderspark for lulz)
At the end, we found a group of mobs (bats) with a Fetter and a group of untargetable Yagudo. We cleared the bats, then killed the Fetter. Once the Fetter is killed, the Yagudo become targetable. For killing all of the Yagudo, you get 10 Izzat.
In total, we farmed 20 Izzat. We'll try using them tomorrow on boxes, maybe even spawn an NM. After we killed the fetter, a conflux spawned that gave us the opportunity to spawn a monster for 10 Izzat. We were low on time, so we just chose to exit.
Player with Trusts.. First Experience Testimonies:
Went in with trusts. Was able to 1 shot most things with leaden.
Yield: 31 scales and 3 scale boxes (from the chest).
Edit: Chests gave 11, 13 and 16.
More Vital Data Testimonies Discovered:
Random info:
-Killing trash gave izzat and lustreless scales
-Using 10 izzat to pop chest gave 2 scales and a box
-Killing fetter made untargetable yagudo killable, giving 10 izzat killing them all
-Popping NM with 10 izzat from ethereal junction spawned a red morbol that did blood weapon and dropped 2 boxes of scales
-Not sure what items you need to trade to junction to spawn monsters
-Was unable to use the thing at the start after killing fetter/yagudos/morbol, may have to kill all trash? I looked around and missed a pack, timed out before I could kill them all
-Moogle keeps track of trash killed, physis, and chests, and the power of your alter egos while in odyssey (Moogle Mastery)
More Testimonials and Discoveries..
Does anyone know what is needed to clear the RoE for Sheol A?
You need to run (can do on sneak/invi, only trasnparent mobs are true sight/sound) to last floor (A7) using confluxes. On last floor there is Otherworldly Vortex mentioned in RoE quest. You need to touch it (it lets you leave Odyssey too) to complete the quest. Credit for that info goes to Mischief from Bahamut. Here is a video of my first experience with Odyssey:
YouTube Video Placeholder Tried exploring, found more information
- I didn't realize there was a conflux on each floor to move up
- Each floor increases in mob level, capping at 131, and general nastiness of monster family (manticores, giants I remember on last floor)
- Translocators bring you down to previous levels, so the first floor one doesn't work until you find the higher level ones
- One character got stuck on a floor and couldn't move up, nor did they get the RoE objective upon someone else reaching the top
So for soloers, seems like it's best to stick to lower level floor to farm scales, more experienced parties can move up to desired difficulty for more scales. First time in would be best just getting the RoE objective and unlocking translocators.
Initial Video Detailing Climb to 7th floor for easy RoE Completion for Augment Unlock on Gear:
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More Info about Moglophone KI's:
Anyways did a solo run this morning and got about 100 scales from just killing trash in first floor. Wondering what others are getting from parting up vs solo.
edit: Also can you hold one Moglophone KI on you, and then have the moogle hold one?
I was wondering this too. I picked up my KI last night and am holding it until later today and going to see if I can run two times in a row.
You can. I used my ki after few hours yesterday and when I checked moogle timer was at 15h, so it was going down while I had KI on me.
More Testimonial Higlights:
Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »Maybe Mischief will post about it, he figured it out on his mule. I'll try and post what i know, but it seems like we skip everything and just kill the fetters, mobs around the fetters, and sometimes the UNM near the fetters. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »and if u get to the final thing upstairs, personal chest for everyone. Not sure if someone said it already, but you CAN store a KI. So only need to farm every 2 days! I am confused on how people move up using sneak and invisible, in this run I explored everything, vortexes just said "you can't use this yet", or let me summon an NM but never move somewhere else, even after i killed the fetter, all the guards, the NM, opened one chest, and killed about 90% of all the mobs. If anybody can spot where in this video I should have been able to "move up" it would really help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i9GhE5nO3I
thanks At the mandies in your run. Just hug left wall and you'll find it. It took me a while to find the first flux as well, but the rest were less "hidden". A video was posted a couple pages ago showing the route.
YouTube Video Placeholder Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »vortexes just said "you can't use this yet" Need to click Shimmering lights for access to some portals or not have aggro iirc. I may be wrong though Bahamut.Lexouritis said: » It rewarded me again with a box + 50k gil.
did u kill a fetter? Seems like 50k per Fetter and 1 box per fetter (per character). The big Box from RoE seems to be just 1 time thing. The smaller boxes seem to be fetter based?
Killing all 4 fetters netted us about ~70 scales per run per person after touching otherworldy vortex.
Edit: With RoE quest being completed in a run, was more like 110-130. So how many scales is it per upgrade? Didn’t see on Bg-wiki and don’t feel like shifting through posts on here. Should be just under 12 stacks to max. Based on scales only being worth 5rp instead of 10 :/ Clip to the top and nab the box, in and out, 5 minute adventure.
For realsies? SE let content like that out after the mass-ban clipping/duping-alex adventures get onto the live server? Thought they learned their lesson since the AMAN trove boxes can't be scouted via Hex IDs. The box he means is the one from completing the RoE once. You can walk to it in 6-7 mins without speed hacks anyway. The big deal about completing the RoE is you can start augmenting your gear at that point. Well if dude already finished a piece few days after update, there isnt much time gate here it seems.
Probably just the appetitizer was released (im on a work trip, cant "enjoy" the new content till weekend...)
He finished because he bought scales or have legion of mules. Regular player with 1 account will need realistically around 10-14 days for one piece farming daily. Traded 5 Emperor arthro shells to vortex (dunno how many it took from inventory, might have only taken 1 of the 5). Summoned Brachys, a crab that had a high ass counter rate and instantly killed me on my thf in one attack round. 500+ damage counters with no DT set. Likely not advisable to spawn mobs solo with trusts. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »Personal box at the end when touching Otherworldy Vortex for each FETTER you kill, for all party members. If u kill all 4 fetters AND EVERYTHING around them it seems you will get 4 boxes.
~edited phrasing
So looks like if you solo, go for trash and farm with th4+ and for group you kill featers and go touch otherwordly.
Unless maybe kill 2 featers solo and go to the top? You could open 2 chests that way and get 2 boxes. So in theory maybe even get 4 chests and some scales from farming. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »
Personal box at the end when touching Otherworldy Vortex for each FETTER you kill, for all party members. If u kill all 4 fetters AND EVERYTHING around them it seems you will get 4 boxes.
~edited phrasing
So looks like if you solo, go for trash and farm with th4+ and for group you kill fetters and go touch otherwordly.
Unless maybe kill 2 fetters solo and go to the top? You could open 2 chests that way and get 2 boxes. So in theory maybe even get 4 chests and some scales from farming.
I'm not sure if you need to just kill the fetters or the fetters + all the semi-invisible beastmen around the fetters.
It's possible to kill a fetter without aggro from the semi invisible beastmen that are sight aggro like Yagudo and Orcs. I'm assuming Quadav will sound aggro which makes them easier to gather in a group.
On the first day, when I duo'd with my cousin on RUN and me on COR with a THF4 set, we killed 1 fetter but stopped killing the semi-invisible beastmen because they were not dropping anything. Not all of the beastmen aggro'd. Only the Yagudo beastmen that were in sight of us or each other aggro'd us. Care needs to be taken by support in this case as support will get aggro'd if they rush in too early before the tank has claim on everything. These mobs hit very hard.
Definitely go in with at least th4 if solo farming just trash mobs.
Go in with a full, balanced party to maximize drops from fetters. The fetters are easy to kill. The beastmen hit hard and have a little more hp than common trash mobs. Helps to sleep them too as they can easily overwhelm even the toughest of tanks. Me and a group of peeps went in yesterday, to do some testing.
Killing a fetter + beastman group rewards 10 izzat, no special drops were seen, we did not have a thief, just a range using bounty shot.
Gonna test farm some nms tonight. i tried to spawn 1 today with my alt using unity items, turns out 1 is not enough. My second run of this is probably the best I can do.
Went in, killed all normal monsters, Feters and Beastmen, killed all of the Yaguado. I had 20 Izzat, spawn a Unity NM Which was a Sporebat type mob that died in a 4 step SC. This NM used Blood WEapon, the NM I tried yesterday used 100 fists and rek'd me.
I got 90 Izzat from Monsters and 22 from the 2 boxes that I got from NM and a chest I used them on. The only thing I didn't do on Floor 1 was spawn the Junction that said "Item can be used to pop something here" I had 3 Sarama Hides, 2 Thuban Things and neither worked, nor did a combination of them work.
All of my drops were done with TH2 from Gear. Few unanswered questions:
How is the augmentation to Trust power in Odyssey earned? I believe the requirement must be more than simply killing sets of trash mobs and making it to the otherworldly at the end.
Rewards upon reaching end were:
360k gil from a group that killed everything on first floor, 2 NM's popped.
100k gil for solo killing 2 groups (4 izzat) worth of scrubs and reaching end.
On another run I also got 100k gil for solo killing more scrubs (4 sets I think. Seems like the NMs from either spawn point will be one of the 119/122 unity NMs with similar mechanics, but not exactly the same as my morbol didn't go through 3 stages and only did blood weapon. May be a good ideal to either focus on repeatedly killing one to raise its kill count for the moogle or killing all of them at least once. Can't wait for Pandemonium Warden v3 in the future lol Yep. Surprised the hell out of us.
But as I said I was getting 100k for just clearing a couple of easy rooms and heading for the exit solo for the RoE.
Thinking about it, we did a bit more than the first floor full clear on that run, did a second fetter and agon mobs and popped another NM at least. spawn a Unity NM Which was a Sporebat type mob
What method did you use to spawn this nm?
So there seems to be 2 spawn methods, Unity Item (I think 5 minimum) or Izzat once you have killed a fetter.
In terms of the invisible mobs I don't know if its a coincidence or not but every time they have aggro'd they go after my GEO and no other character. Dunno if the bubble is causing something funky to happen.
It should be possible, to kill fetters on all floors + escape as low as 3 man, I cleared everything in my run and had about 3 minutes to spare but a lot of it was goofing about looking at chests etc. I'd say 4 man would be the most optimal though as you can't really AOE.
Only flaw would be is that the fetters on floors seem to be placed randomly so you could get screwed over on travel times but imagine if you wanted to eat some taco's and take that risk you could and do it no probs. My second run experience soloing on COR with trusts:
Leaden Salute all the things
Tact/Sam with august, ygnas, monb, star sybill, koru
Killed everything on floor 1 and 4 groups on floor 2
30 izzat but could only find 2 chests to open
both chests only dropped 1 box each so was a little unlucky
TH4
Ended up with 135 scales. Could have been alot higher if I found a third chest and if the chests dropped more than 1 box each.
(I also got a message saying 'moogle magic II' when I killed a regular enemy. Must be to do with the total amount of things killed.) Leviathan.Kingkitt said: »My findings thus far:
As stated multiples times already here, you can sneak/invisible to maneuver around the mobs here. However..
The invisible mobs appear true sight and/or sound, so you have to be cautious of them.
Appears that killing fetters gives personal loot. We all got a box.
You can solo for the RoE if you want following the guidlines above.
Competing RoE gives you 1 large box.
Clear is NOT party wide and each person must touch it individually for credit. (Also recieved 60k gil, we cleared 1 fetter/quadavs, and the mob family near it)
Didn't notice until after fetter and invisible mobs were dead, but one or the other gave 10 izzat.
Have tried a few different unity mats for unm 119/122 and traded 5 to pop a NM. NM that spawned was of the same mob family as items traded. Tonight ill be going in with my COR GEO duo. How do you do the fetters? Kill the surrounding mobs then attack the fetter while trusts keep you alive with invisible beastmen smacking you? Then the beastmen?
Pull and kill regular mobs, until you see opportunity where nothing is close to fetter (there is always a moment when there is max 1 mob close to it at some point). Kill fetter fast (It's easy to kill. One good 2 step SC will kill it), then kill remaining mobs. I wouldn't try to aggro more than few mobs in general when solo or duoboxing, especially if you dont have Malignance set on COR. Something of note to add was that our rng and cor were doing 0 dmg to the fetter from distance and had to move much closer to do any damage. This may relate to how aoe does much reduced damage. Max gil reward is higher than we thought, just got 495k from today's run.
Btw force popping nm's uses a single UNM mat, not 5. And they cannot be reused within the same run. Spawning NM appears to be unrelated to what you use to pop.
So far NM's we faced: Tipuli(fly),Aegupius,harpe(weapon),leucippe and physis (morbol).
Moogle mastery ranks up as you kill stuff, @287 kills, 8x NM and 2 chests we at Mastery III. Max gil reward is higher than we thought, just got 495k from today's run.
Btw force popping nm's uses a single UNM mat, not 5. And they cannot be reused within the same run. Spawning NM appears to be unrelated to what you use to pop.
So far NM's we faced: Tipuli(fly),Aegupius,harpe(weapon),leucippe and physis (morbol).
Moogle mastery ranks up as you kill stuff, @287 kills, 8x NM and 2 chests we at Mastery III.
Do you need to touch the flux on the top floor to get the gil? Or when does the gil actually get distributed to you? Yes, you have to leave personally to get it, and as always if other party members are fighting its locked out. My second run experience soloing on COR with trusts:
Leaden Salute all the things
Tact/Sam with august, ygnas, monb, star sybill, koru
Killed everything on floor 1 and 4 groups on floor 2
30 izzat but could only find 2 chests to open
both chests only dropped 1 box each so was a little unlucky
TH4
Ended up with 135 scales. Could have been alot higher if I found a third chest and if the chests dropped more than 1 box each.
(I also got a message saying 'moogle magic II' when I killed a regular enemy. Must be to do with the total amount of things killed.)
Tonight ill be going in with my COR GEO duo. How do you do the fetters? Kill the surrounding mobs then attack the fetter while trusts keep you alive with invisible beastmen smacking you? Then the beastmen?
Pull/kill regular mobs with ranged attack. Run in to fetter with max 1 or 2 shadows aggro. Kill fetter > kill the rest. Just look out what you aggro. Aggroing BLM mob that stand close to middle will probably result in mass link eventually. Regular mobs dont link at all, but transparent mobs (before and after killing fetter) do. Each flux takes you to a higher floor. There are 7 floors with the 7th floors flux being the exit and the RoE objective. Each flux takes you to a higher floor. There are 7 floors with the 7th floors flux being the exit and the RoE objective. Not sure if it was mentioned, but looks like you can't pop the same NM twice from UNM mats in the same run. Popped once on first floor, and later on the 4th floor it gave a message saying we couldn't pop the same NM again. Sharing Shamgi's notes posted in the BST forum for relevant details:
Ok, just went into an Odyssey and discovered some things:
1. You can charm things in there. Things seemed to be fairly simple to charm, and Charm+ gear meant that my dhalmel stayed charmed 15+ minutes.
2.Charmed pets seem to be quite strong. Beyond the normal HP, they seemed to have fairly high damage, hitting other mobs in their own pack for 4-600 a swing, with crits as high as 900. My Dhalmel once used Berserk and those numbers got pretty big, same with their Sound Wave move. My record was a crit for 1500 or so. This is with NQ food and no other pet related buffs. I had one crawler end up at 74% when it killed another crawler in the pack, likely benefiting from all the DA and Haste.
3. Pets seem quite effective at killing the Halos. They hit hard already, but notably, they aggro nothing, not even the Beastmen around the Halos when doing so. The Halo produces a damaging AOE every couple of seconds that was hitting for 200 or so, but the pet, with it's 40k+ HP, doesn't care at all. Indeed, I left the pet to it's own devices and killed other packs with trusts while it worked the halo down itself, which actually seemed quite nice. When it died, the Orcs around it didn't aggro, so it was easy to pull them one by one, as they don't link either.
4. Mob spawns are random, which can hurt this strat, but from two runs a majority of the packs seem charmable, and many of them are often pretty powerful. Given the strat above, I feel like a monk style pet would be best here.
Overall, I'm super interested in trying this with a full group where you can use the pet to deal with adds while you work on a pack yourself and to safely kill Halos while you clear other things.
One issue was Sic, the recast was way worse than I remembered, and my lua isn't set up at all to deal with it. My best guess is to just set up my gearswap to always produce a physical damage set for Sic and then just use pets who focus physical damage with their TP moves. If it's a buff move, then no big deal, if it's physical then it's the right set. They do link, my experience has been all sight linking though (fought orcs and yags so far). Do not link with the Fetter though, found this out by trying to range attack the fetter down, only to realize the fetter is immune to auto-range attacks. They do link, my experience has been all sight linking though (fought orcs and yags so far).
Well its kinda expected. Orc, Yagudo and Goblins are all sight aggro/link. Quadavs are sound aggro/link and it's how they are in Odyssey too. They arent immune to ranged attacks you just need to be stood in the fetter to do damage.
So not immune to ranged attacks, but immune to any attacks from a range. XD As with all farming things it's more efficient to solo, if the kill speed is high, like 119 content. 6 solos have 6x more chances for boxes.
Luck's definitely a factor; and yeah I think solo probably is best.
I think a lot of it has to do with people finding each other, people needing to sneak/invis themselves, and having to stagger the flux (so it doesn't glitch out). Was a lot of wasted time there.
Was just curious if other groups were experiencing it as well. Went in as Pup/Whm. Killed 3 Fetters, champion NM on floor 7 after fetter, and a few other random mobs using automaton only.
Literally no drops + exit only gave me 5k gil.
I wonder if you need to take an action on the fetters or something yourself before you can get drops or credit for killing them. Went in as Pup/Whm. Killed 3 Fetters, champion NM on floor 7 after fetter, and a few other random mobs using automaton only.
Literally no drops + exit only gave me 5k gil.
I wonder if you need to take an action on the fetters or something yourself before you can get drops or credit for killing them. As group you are suppose to kill Fetter at floor 1,3,5 and 7 and run to otherworldy vortex at the end. You should get 4 PERSONAL box from otherworldy that way and I think one more personal box from killing beastman kings at floor 7 (they are around Fetter there).
So thats 5 personal chests
At least 40 Izzat to open chests
Probably at least 40 single scales from killing trash around fetters if you take at least TH4 with you.
Small boxes are on avg around 13 scales?
So probably around 70-80 scales at least per person, maybe more if you have time to farm more.
Very good geared solo player on specific job like COR, can get more with luck, but it might be other bonuses from killing fetters and NMs that we might dont know about. Went in as Pup/Whm. Killed 3 Fetters, champion NM on floor 7 after fetter, and a few other random mobs using automaton only.
Literally no drops + exit only gave me 5k gil.
I wonder if you need to take an action on the fetters or something yourself before you can get drops or credit for killing them.
No, you need to kill Fetter AND beastman mobs around it to get credit for personal box at the end and 10 Izzat. I assume you killed only Fetters. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »THF can pick the locks/chests in odyssey, in case no one mentioned, or knows about it yet. However some times mimic will pop out. Unsure how hard they are, as it opens with deathtrap, and his mule has sparks gear (and it got one shot). Credit goes to mischief
"Either gave a 'however it has no effect' message and consumed the tool, opened the chest, or a mimic popped out" I made a quick map of Odyssey to make ease to hit the fluxes.
Etheral Junctions, Fetters and camps change apparently random.
EDIT: all maps have North heading the upper border.
Aegypius NM:
Bird
Popped using 5 Abyssdiver feathers
Uses Broadside Barrage and Damnation Dive
Uses Perfect Dodge at low HP and gains an Encumbrance aura that stays for the rest of the fight Carbuncle.Papesse said: »Beware of the Treant NM Ptelea and its dangerous Leafstorm AoE. Leafstorm is hybrid wind based. It can crit, miss, be absorbed by shadows and Elemental Sforzo. One For All, Gelus Valiance and Baraero substantially reduce damage. As far as getting these telepoints, mentioned on BGwiki's Odyssey page that you're supposed to be able to travel between to get to further levels of Odyssey, does anyone have any info on the requirements to gain access to these? Do you have to kill all of the fetters to go up a floor? Also, has anyone tried going in with a group of six and then disbanding and everyone using their own trusts to expediate the process of both killing enemies on every floor, taking care of all the fetters on a floor and then popping the nm's so that you might progress to these tele-points if those happened to be the requirements? I know some players might have found that they can farm higher amounts of the Lustreless Scales solo rather than teaming up but if you go in with 6 and then make you're own parties with trusts.. and there are multiple telepoints with up to say 15 sets of mobs and fetters then the possibility of having a high return still might be worth it. Another thing i noticed maybe means nothing but i saw some pixels floating out of nowhere that seemed like a mobs name. Maybe a glitch? Or the others maps? Or a random mob?
 I'm sure people regularly killing fluxes/beastmen already knew this, but AoEs that would have hit the untargettable/invisible beastmen will still generate enmity on them, so people should watch for that if they're sleepgaing or horde lullabying fodder. We spawned an NM in today's run.
Brachys: Crab NM (PLD/MNK)
Had a pretty decent (25-30%) Counter rate. Bubble Curtain's Shell effect reduced enspell (RDM with Crocea Mors) dmg to 0 unless it was dispelled. Used Invincible at 25%. Easily landed enfeebles (Slow, Para, Blind, Frazzle, Distract) Pretty easy fight overall.
It was spawned using 10 Izzat after we killed Fetter + Beastmen mobs surrounding it. Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »I have Moogle Mastery III, not sure what's doing it. Status report has:
Nostos killed: 306
Damysus: 2
Salmandra: 2
Cynara: 1
Chests: 3
Seems I ranked up when I killed an Agon Bruiser. The augment system is “tiered”. I’m working on my alts Emeici +1.
Ranks 1-5 give +2 damage. Ranks 6-10 give +2 damage, +3 acc/macc. I assume ranks 11-15 give +2 damage, +3 acc/macc, +2 crit rate.
That’s a neat way to do it, it incentivizes the more expensive ranks. Just had a bad solo experience... turns our not all popped NM's are soloable. Do not recommend popping the nm's for 10 izzat.
Got a cactus who would constantly triple attack and did 600 normal / 1200 crit per attack round. August got insta-KO then healer then myself within 7 seconds. YouTube Video Placeholder
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