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 Caitsith.Mahayaya
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2020-02-12 12:25:19
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I trust Papesse's conclusions
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By Pantafernando 2020-02-12 12:27:57
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Well

Pre Flow

Acc 1199, Att 1145, Eva 848, Def 1099

Flow

Acc 1249, Att 1195, Eva 898, Def 1249

Post Clarsach

Acc 1249, Att 1493, Eva 948, Def 1561

Flow wore off

Acc 1199, Att 1431, Eva 898, Def 1373

After 3 mins it went back to original stats
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By SimonSes 2020-02-12 12:31:17
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Attack 1200 > 1500
Defence 1232 > 1540
Evasion 862 > 912
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2020-02-12 12:32:17
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Pantafernando said: »
Well

Pre Flow

Acc 1199, Att 1145, Eva 848, Def 1099

Flow

Acc 1249, Att 1195, Eva 898, Def 1249

Post Clarsach

Acc 1249, Att 1493, Eva 948, Def 1561

Flow wore off

Acc 1199, Att 1431, Eva 898, Def 1373

After 3 mins it went back to original stats

"Flow wore off" is that immediately following Clarasch or after ~3 mins from popping Astral Flow.
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By Pantafernando 2020-02-12 12:33:57
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Pantafernando said: »
Well

Pre Flow

Acc 1199, Att 1145, Eva 848, Def 1099

Flow

Acc 1249, Att 1195, Eva 898, Def 1249

Post Clarsach

Acc 1249, Att 1493, Eva 948, Def 1561

Flow wore off

Acc 1199, Att 1431, Eva 898, Def 1373

After 3 mins it went back to original stats

"Flow wore off" is that immediately following Clarasch or after ~3 mins from popping Astral Flow.

Clarsach dont consume flow. I manually dispelled it.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-02-12 12:34:43
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There's the answer then. Flow > Clarsarch > Conduit GG

The only question is, do you clarsarch the mob you're using conduit on, or do you prebuff it, like GoB(aftermath)
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2020-02-12 12:36:17
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So for sure this is gonna be better than Ramuh's Volt Strike for everything it was doing in SMN burns before?
 
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By Pantafernando 2020-02-12 12:39:04
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
There's the answer then. Flow > Clarsarch > Conduit GG

The only question is, do you clarsarch the mob you're using conduit on, or do you prebuff it, like GoB

If you will end before any SP wears off, probably pre buff so you can recover MP with a temp and use Apogee for first 2 hits. If its a fight you know you wont finish with Conduit, so you shouldnt waste either Flow or buff timer on random mob but use it all on your target.
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By Shiva.Xelltrix 2020-02-12 12:39:41
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Sounds like it lasts a long time too. AF, Use Clarsach on fodder, use Garland. Pop Apogee, pop mob to refill mana, BP twice then Conduit and go to town.
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By SimonSes 2020-02-12 12:40:14
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
So for sure this is gonna be better than Ramuh's Volt Strike for everything it was doing in SMN burns before?

I was always under the impression (I dont AC myself, so im not sure), that big part of Volt Strike spam AC is the fact that it chain stuns the mob, but maybe I'm wrong.
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By FaeQueenCory 2020-02-12 12:40:15
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Asura.Highwynn said: »
Then there's Terrestrial Avatars: Carbuncle, Bahamut, Diabolos, Fenrir, and Phoenix. These were born of Vana'diel to protect the mothercrystal.
This is a garbage definition for "terrestrial avatars" (of which Siren falls within the category of) as it is predicated on a fundamental lie.
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By Asura.Geriond 2020-02-12 12:43:25
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SimonSes said: »
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
So for sure this is gonna be better than Ramuh's Volt Strike for everything it was doing in SMN burns before?

I was always under the impression (I dont AC myself, so im not sure), that big part of Volt Strike spam AC is the fact that it chain stuns the mob, but maybe I'm wrong.
VS's stun basically never lands on anything you'd be AC burning.
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By Pantafernando 2020-02-12 12:48:00
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SimonSes said: »
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
So for sure this is gonna be better than Ramuh's Volt Strike for everything it was doing in SMN burns before?

I was always under the impression (I dont AC myself, so im not sure), that big part of Volt Strike spam AC is the fact that it chain stuns the mob, but maybe I'm wrong.

For anything you need to actually stun, you wont rely on Volt Strike stunning imo. For the other part you simply cant stun. So, imo, the stun is a nice effect for lesser NMs, you can even get some few seconds at start but you wont keep anything stun locked with just VS. While drain HP sounds more interesting. Even if pet takes some dmg, it will recover so it will last longer than Ramuh.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2020-02-12 13:07:40
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I wish Siren was immune to Amnesia and Stun.
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By Crossbones 2020-02-12 13:17:12
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Siren's magic shield doesn't stack with OFA, just tested.

OFA takes precedence, can't overwrite it with siren BP and siren BP is overwritten by OFA.
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By Isszo 2020-02-12 13:34:26
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The 85-99k against Neak I posted was WITHOUT Clarsach Call. OP.
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By Crossbones 2020-02-12 14:16:58
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Tornado II is the same as the other avatar merit BPs. Same damage as heavenly strike etc to trash in morimar, and TP enhances the dmg just as much.
 
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By orangemanbad 2020-02-12 14:24:43
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Pantafernando said: »
Well

Pre Flow

Acc 1199, Att 1145, Eva 848, Def 1099

Flow

Acc 1249, Att 1195, Eva 898, Def 1249

Post Clarsach

Acc 1249, Att 1493, Eva 948, Def 1561

Flow wore off

Acc 1199, Att 1431, Eva 898, Def 1373

After 3 mins it went back to original stats

Even Flow:

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By Phoenix.Miraun 2020-02-12 14:36:44
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We were talking about this in LS Discord...

I'd rather AF, Apogee, BP, Clarsach, AC, BPxx

Sure, you lose the Clarsach additional damage on the apogee BP... but I consider it better than popping AF before a burn mob is popped. Just in case someone misses Tribs/Rads/whatnot
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By Crossbones 2020-02-12 14:40:39
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Looks like siren enaero is stronger than RDM enaero.

With crocea and siren on turtles in morimar en effect was 1410.
With RDM enaero was doing 1345.

Crocea was rank 17. Enhancing skill on RDM was 610. No enspell merits.
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By Ragnarok.Odynson 2020-02-12 14:45:40
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Caerda said: »
Isszo said: »
The 85-99k against Neak I posted was WITHOUT Clarsach Call. OP.

Food,Cor rolls and Idris Bog or Bolster?

Was doing 55k+ on the Ambuscade soulflayer with no food or cor rolls. Just Idris BoG frailty.
When people post pictures like that with zero information about situation, its just safe to assume its a max buff scenario.
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By Isszo 2020-02-12 14:45:46
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Caerda said: »
Isszo said: »
The 85-99k against Neak I posted was WITHOUT Clarsach Call. OP.

Food,Cor rolls and Idris Bog or Bolster?

Was doing 55k+ on the Ambuscade soulflayer with no food or cor rolls. Just Idris BoG frailty.
Kusa for food. Beast/Drachen for rolls. Bolster with non Idris. I should also note there was no angon or bst defense down.
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By Mipha 2020-02-12 14:59:01
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Isszo said: »
Caerda said: »
Isszo said: »
The 85-99k against Neak I posted was WITHOUT Clarsach Call. OP.

Food,Cor rolls and Idris Bog or Bolster?

Was doing 55k+ on the Ambuscade soulflayer with no food or cor rolls. Just Idris BoG frailty.
Kusa for food. Beast/Drachen for rolls. Bolster with non Idris. I should also note there was no angon or bst defense down.

Nirvana and aftermath on? What's your BP set? That's most important as I tried out with bolster frailty, no idris but no Nirvana, not even close to 99k with Siren.
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By SimonSes 2020-02-12 15:04:46
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If geomancy isnt limited like in dynamis D on NMs, then when you bolster with Idris and add Dia II to that, you will be attack capped even with /smn using Carbuncle.
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By Isszo 2020-02-12 15:06:18
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Mipha said: »
Isszo said: »
Caerda said: »
Isszo said: »
The 85-99k against Neak I posted was WITHOUT Clarsach Call. OP.

Food,Cor rolls and Idris Bog or Bolster?

Was doing 55k+ on the Ambuscade soulflayer with no food or cor rolls. Just Idris BoG frailty.
Kusa for food. Beast/Drachen for rolls. Bolster with non Idris. I should also note there was no angon or bst defense down.

Nirvana and aftermath on? What's your BP set? That's most important as I tried out with bolster frailty, no idris but no Nirvana, not even close to 99k with Siren.

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Used a pretty capped out volt strike set and aftermath.
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By Asura.Sechs 2020-02-12 15:12:22
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Since I can't *** ever remember, what's the fastest way to do the monthly "grow" objective?
Grain Seed and Earth Crystals?
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By Mipha 2020-02-12 15:15:50
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Isszo said: »
Mipha said: »
Isszo said: »
Caerda said: »
Isszo said: »
The 85-99k against Neak I posted was WITHOUT Clarsach Call. OP.

Food,Cor rolls and Idris Bog or Bolster?

Was doing 55k+ on the Ambuscade soulflayer with no food or cor rolls. Just Idris BoG frailty.
Kusa for food. Beast/Drachen for rolls. Bolster with non Idris. I should also note there was no angon or bst defense down.

Nirvana and aftermath on? What's your BP set? That's most important as I tried out with bolster frailty, no idris but no Nirvana, not even close to 99k with Siren.

share pictures online
Used a pretty capped out volt strike set and aftermath.
Yeah I don't have Nirvana on my SMN's or Neck, so using oboro and omen neck. Feet using AF+3 instead of apogee though.

Just checked, I didn't bolster neak, let me test again with bolster.
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