The 6th Ministry's Secret: A Summoner's Guide (v2)

Earring kills Gelos. Gelos is dead. Might even replace Moonshade for low MP situations and what not, or even idle.

Head is potentially the new idle piece. I don't think there's much reason not to idle with that for the -DT.

Legs, Body, I'm not sure. Might have uses with the -DT but you're gonna have to play around with perp and refresh and what not. Hands and Feet are situational for siphon and mana cede, not sure much else.

Baayami +1 still reigns for skill. None of these pieces make an argument for BP midcast except for the earring which just *** kills it.

Haven't been this excited for gear since... I guess Abyssea? Honestly, I'm having the same reaction I had to the original introduction of AF3 in that it adds so much for next to nothing.

don't forget it gets augments as well.

Oh for sure, but we don't know those yet. Slightly concerned that with all the "right ear only" stuff the augments might be "left ear only", but we'll see.

Granted it could also be "right ear only" because we can hold more than one...

Ofc we can hold more than one. They are Ex only.

2/6 piece are usable, but let's be real, it won't make us much better, even with Empy +3.

Back in 2010 this set was all about the blood boon gamble, a forgotten stat we can barely influence. But back then we had like no alternatives so we BPed in it anyway. Now we have BPD and double attack gear, I doubt it will be worth to gamble for the effect.

That makes no sense.

It's right ear only so that you can't double up the earrings, they've never done a either-or situation in gear.

Head is pretty great though. I worry that the event will be a meleeburn and no one will want to bring SMN though.

It will be unreasonably difficult for non meta jobs, as always.

Just make friends 4head. It's so easy just do it.

ItemSet 385021
tier 11(590 @m0) favor w/ +2's in place of +1s, cap master DT, lots of refresh on top. replace empy ear w/ the new ear.
(this is an idle set, not BP precast)

HQ3's @M.SMN50 should let us idle in t12~13 favor. (depends if horn favor+ increases again)

edit: swapped 3 items: baayami > bunzi; defending > cath palug; stikini+1 > evoker's.
opens up augment on back, lowers skill but will still be the same tier favor. probably easier to build. Since perp before was still 1, there's no change in refresh from the swap.
edit2: changed ring to stikini assuming ear+2 will have dt-5.

I would go ahead and throw in the +2 hands as well if /sch to cover the other 5 perp cost missing, or would that drop a tier on favor?

Nevermind, I'm a derp. I forgot the body had -perp on it because it's been so long since I've seen it lol

the set has perp-17, should only have a perp cost of 1 w/ favor active, free for the carby/etc.
perp-18, they're all free.

The wording implies that you only need to enter once on a job to be able to reforge that job's Empy. Sucks for those that want to use the job in the content, but at least you'll be able to upgrade.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing :( Curious as to what it will be, hopefully something different!

So uh...



I'm kidding btw, I know it's a loc error.

HEADS UP GUYS!

Beckoner's Horn +2 does NOT reduce BP timer below 21

That is unusual and unfortunate. Are you sure you're testing it right?

100%, mained smn since its launch, deffo aint going past 21 seconds yet, thoughts and prayers with the +3 head now.

-BP timer set is:
Nirvana R15
Elan Strap+1
Epitath R25
Beckoner's Horn+2
Incanter's Torque
Cath Palug Earring
Lodurr Earring
Baayami+1 Body/Hands/Legs/Feet
Evoker's Ring
Stikini Ring+1
Conveyance cape w/ +5 skill aug / BPdelay II -1
Kobo Obi

tested multiple times in this set to build the tier potency and still caps at 21 sec recasts.

Carbuncle max regen through favor is now 30 HP tick
Diabolos seems to be stuck with the previous 8 MP tick

Same here with SMN career main, was my first job to lvl 75 back in the 2004/05 days and later on first 99/119. Thank you for the info on the Beckoner's Horn +2, that is VERY unfortunate and disappointing of SE to not reduce the BP timer via the Favor +4 on the Empy Horn +2. Mainly because the blood pact timer is the primary thing holding SMN back from getting closer to pure DD jobs with their WS rate.

Not to mention speed up our buff rate similar to BRD and COR in that sense. I was really hoping eventually we could get the timer at least to 20 sec or even less, but that's prolly never going to happen unfortunately. =/ Really hope the +3 version of the Empy horn will actually affect the BP timer. At least the +2 horn adds some buff potency like you mentioned.

To be expected. There are a number of favor tiers between 22s and 21s. Most certainly need another tier beyond to get 20s.

Disappointing. I guess we were never going to get there with mastery alone then.

the real question is if you get there with the 735 skill tier. You will have to use skill staff/grip in addition to MLs for now.

735 skill tier & Favor+4 (Beckoner's Horn +1 with the 550 gift)
Carbuncle : 30 HP
Titan : 112 DEF
Garuda : 46 EVA
Shiva : 48 MAB
Ramuh: 24% Crit Hit Rate
Diabolos : 8 MP
Cait Sith: 32 MDB
Siren: 24 SBII
BP recast: -21

735 skill tier & Favor+5 (Beckoner's Horn +2 with the 550 gift)
Carbuncle : 31 HP
Titan : 117 DEF
Garuda : 49 EVA
Shiva : 51 MAB
Ramuh: 25% Crit Hit Rate
Diabolos : 9 MP
Cait Sith: 34 MDB
Siren: 25 SBII
BP recast: -20

This is probably the last/ultimate favor tier for summoner.

So does 735 actually get a new tier? or was 670 the last tier we had? like GEO's 900 skill

OK, can confirm, Papesse was right, we now have access to 20sec recasts, however this means swapping out staff for the extra skill needed which will wipe TP of course so not really worth doing.

Don't worry you can get there without swapping weapons once you get ML 50, or probably a little earlier once empy +3 is available.

Beckoner's Horn +3 is expected to have Skill +23
That's +5 over the +2 version, and a total of +10 over the previous +1.

None of the other +2/+3 Empy will provide more skill than the already available options altough, I guess, Body+3 with its expected Perp-8 and Skill+24 will likely be good to idle with?

I dunno, can anybody post a tentative 735 skill idle set?

I'm not super familiar with smn but wouldnt the favor+1 that's presumably on the +3 horn let you bypass the skill requirement?

Awesome, great to hear as that would've been a really big let down if we couldn't get to the 20 sec timer.
Well possibly but the Beckoner's Horn when it comes to Avatar's Favor and the BP timer is a bit more complex then that. This page explains how the tiers work regarding both Smn skill and the Horn and how they affect the blood pact timer reduction.
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Avatar%27s_Favor

Basically the Beckoner's Horn has it's own tiers towards avatar favor that are separate from the smn skill aspect of it. So you need both the horn upgraded to +1/+2, 550 job points and also enough smn skill to get the full 21/20 second BP timer reduction. Now it is possible that with the +3 horn it could give the last tier without 735 skill. Currently 3 of those tiers on the chart are from the +1 empy horn and the other tier is from smn 550 job point gift.

So yeah it is possible the +3 empy horn might give the 5th tier we need to get the 20 sec without needing 735 skill. Or if you have both the +3 horn and 735 skill it might even reduce the timer below 20 to say 19 seconds. That part is doubtful as I don't think the BP timer will go below 20 seconds. But we'll have to wait and see on that as I'm just speculating on what SE will do with the +3 horn.