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Yep, uh huh, and I too have multiple jobs I can bring to Omen. My point was you called out SMN for "cheesing" certain NM mechanics. This is no different than previous Ambuscades where SMN sucked but the key factor in beating Vol 1 Intense VD was using a little something called Tomahawk, or Mighty Guard/CDC and so on.

We can even use this month as an example. Is it cheesing to use 1-3 PUPs for Vol 1? I personally don't think so but I'm not bitching because I don't play PUP. In fact I look for specific people to play that role due to my confidence in them.

Every job has a "cheese" button as you phrase it and it's all called into service at different times for different reasons and for different NM's.

Like I said, now we know why you disapprove of this fix.

There's like at least 3-4 good ways with varied job comps to do Ambu 1 this month that involve 0 PUPs. This is from someone who likes to pet job as much as possible.

There's stubborn and then there is willfully obtuse, guess which one you're being.

ASPID REBORN!

Ambuscade is also a bad example because you can do either volume and adjust difficulty it just effects the rate by a very small amount compared to what Omen does. And it's not a gate to something else. It's not like you have beat intense on VD just to get access to boss drops

This is a completely random wall to the actually just getting to the end of this event which you'd want different setups for and will limit the cards you can farm not to mention this whole event effectively penalizes you for not going on the job you need cards on. It's not like ambuscade said ok if you come on the jobs that can't equip this months gear you get 1/10th the points

Forgive me for the mostly pointless post, but I feel the need nitpick to say... I could live through that. <,<

btw, does anyone know what dmg type pain sync is? I had assumed physical, but in retrospect I don't actually have solid evidence for that.

It's either magical or breath. Tartarus Platemail can absorb it.

Breath damage? Not 100%. (EDIT: Llew beat me to it)

Either way, Scherzo, Earthen Armor and Migawari mitigate it substantially.

You'd be pressed because it's non-elemental Breath damage and not Physical or Magic so your Burtang and Aegis doesn't do anything for you. I have a 50% DT set that's literally 50% Damage Reduction. It enables me to survive Pain Syncs that normally flatten others but if I'm using a Rag and it procs with my usual DA, then there is no way in hell I'm living through that. That's why I switched to Reiko + Blurred +1, Auto-attacks, while still powerful, aren't enough to instantly wipe everyone nearby and I can save TP for Savage Blade when it's doing a TP move that's not Pain Sync.

What was really unfair was that this NM punish's you for having good gear. It's not hard fighting unlocked and turning during PS, but due to server lag you would often get a single attack round off before you could turn. This NM would punish you for that. And at under 30% HP it's spamming TP moves without any player interaction at all. I've sat there holding it while turned around and the moment it's TP animation for one move was done it was doing another TP move, making it extremely difficult to get TP and WS without risking wiping everyone. Gear idea in concept but not executed very well. The 40% reduction and not in sequence are sufficient to fix this NM so that people can beat it with strategy and it not becoming a giant time sink.

Well, I'd still live. Through the 6k that is. Much higher, or a DA proc and I'd be right screwed.

6k dmg, -50% DT = 3k. PLD/BLU with 3.3K HP, Still alive. Could also pop a cure 6 from my alt for cureskikin before it fired...

btw, how was it determined that it was non elemental?

Disclaimer. I'm not saying pain sync mechanics weren't a problem. I'm just nitpicking a specific statement that I felt wasn't accurate.

I actually am wondering if it's dark based because of some results while using BST plant tank (not hard data though so speculative.)

It's not Dark, Lux wards do nothing. Other elements could be tested, but I'm lazy and forgetful.

Because our RUN tank has tried them all with valiance and none of them reduced it's damage. Once time we thought it was dark cause he used Liement and got healed from the attack, but we couldn't reproduce it (He's got an Epo) and we later determined it to be an absorb damage proc off his armor.

So no elemental reduction works on it and the only way to reduce it seems to be BDT or DT. Conclusion is non-elemental breath damage. Shell does nothing for it so it's not pure Magic though I suspect things like Tartarus that state "magic" actually works on breath too.

Englufer's Cape/+1, Warder's Charm/+1, and likely Tartatus as well can absorb breath damage (but they don't stack). Shadow Ring doesn't apply, however.

Nice. Thank you.

I suspect that Rampart would likely reduce it as well. Again, it says magic, but I know for a fact it reduces the damage from incinerate, the breath attack used by Erucas. So that could bring the dmg down a bit too.

I'm aware that the real method to deal with this is to not dmg it during Pain Sync, but I have fun thinking of ways to survive it anyway.

On that note, does RUN SP work? The boundary between breath and magic damage gets kinda blurry sometimes. Like on Absorbs Magic gear, as mentioned.

We've never tried using RUN's SP on that, would probably work cause I seem to remember not taking breath damage while it's up.

Yeah Breath and Magic damage types seem to be a bit mixed sometimes and when non-elemental gets tossed in the results can be wonky. This is why I've gone to using pure DT gear instead of combinations of PDT/MDT.

Along with that Fealty sometimes works on large non-element attacks so maybe?

No, it doesn't.

If a WS goes off during Pain Sync your only chance of surviving it is to have your Carmine Cuisses +1 locked and to run like hell.

Our tank has spoken, RUN SP doesn't work for PS.

It doesn't work on Unfaltering Bravado, Dancing Fullers or Zero Hour either.

Cerberus calls ***.

From SE forums

where did they say that? I've not seen it anywhere in the last few pages

Sorry just meant that it's been a few months since the last one. Might just activate and reactivate mules as campaign info is provided

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Repeat_Login_Campaign#Current_Campaign_-_January_2017_-_Repeat_Login_Campaign_No._43
Those campaigns? Thats going on right now.

Not those the dial ones where u get stuff from gobby dials

He's talking about the extra dial. I got an assload of abjurations and stuff like nibiru cudgel during that. I'd love to see that come around again.

I completely skipped over "dial" lol

Glad Thinker is getting nerfed purely on the principle that its a lame, annoying fight that's all about NOT doing certain things, as opposed to actually forming a strategy to defeat the enemy.

Really not a fan of that sort of negative encounter design, its just not fun - particularly when its employed as a random-encounter mid boss.

A better adjustment to maintain the level of needing to pay attention while balancing difficulty would have simply been to put an initial threshold that does not get reflected (A few thousand?) or change it to ignore white damage. This would make melee setups more viable due to latency people are reporting to have.