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 Bismarck.Dracondria
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-01-07 20:17:18
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34 YEARS to earn 500k? That's like 1250 a month
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2015-01-07 20:28:37
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36 actually, it's 1126, I put 1200+ but I was wrong. This is the number of years it'd take to reach 500,000€ earned in France by the average joe. It would be much faster in UK for example, but actually slower/equal in Germany, and so on. Not even gonna touch countries that have financial issues at the moment, it's much worse.

So, yeah, spitting on 500k is spitting on 30+years of work for the average citizen of western countries. Yet, these people can and do raise multiple children to adulthood. How do they do? And no, no loans involved.

I don't know how people can forget this, and I am even more baffled if they were never aware of it to begin with. The average person will not earn 1M in their whole life. 500k is huge, period.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-01-07 20:31:20
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Can't really live on that in Sweden, at least not in a decent sized city. At least 40-50% would go to rent, even more in some places and if you rent second hand.
 
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2015-01-07 20:33:07
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You wouldn't be able to live as a family in London with such money (even if you replace the € with a £), but you can live in any French city effortlessly. Sure you'll end your month with 0,12€ on your bank account, but you won't go negative.

In London, to give you an example, you spend between 510 and 1020€ for a room in a flatshare/house. And that's "normal". In France, I pay 360€ per month for a whole flat just for myself, with 2 bedrooms.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2015-01-07 20:51:40
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Valefor.Endoq said: »
I think divorce its self is wrong. Mariage is for life, even if you fall out of love, you don't run out, you rebuild it and fall in love all over again :(

Humans are not perfect and never will be. Trying to push them in to optimistic relationships and expect them to work it out regardless of the situation is asking for failure.

This kind of mentality is also what drove two of my family members to near suicide levels because they were unhappy and abused and felt like they couldn't leave because it was wrong.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-01-07 21:25:16
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interest on $500,000 from certain banks would get you about half of what an average full-time employee in the US would make.

Where are these "certain banks" and what type of investment are you talking about? Certainly not a savings account, because even a 1% interest rate in those is extremely rare.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-01-07 21:38:46
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You're talking about investment firms, not banks. There's a huge difference.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-01-07 22:09:46
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
eslim said: »
interest on $500,000 from certain banks would get you about half of what an average full-time employee in the US would make.

Where are these "certain banks" and what type of investment are you talking about? Certainly not a savings account, because even a 1% interest rate in those is extremely rare.


It's probably not a savings account but bonds (or something within fixed income securities) having a set coupon rate (usually annual or bi-annual payouts).
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-01-07 22:35:08
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Bahamut.Kara said: »
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eslim said: »
interest on $500,000 from certain banks would get you about half of what an average full-time employee in the US would make.

Where are these "certain banks" and what type of investment are you talking about? Certainly not a savings account, because even a 1% interest rate in those is extremely rare.


It's probably not a savings account but bonds (or something within fixed income securities) having a set coupon rate (usually annual or bi-annual payouts).


Put it in a UK bank, our rates are 4~6%
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
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I think divorce its self is wrong. Mariage is for life, even if you fall out of love, you don't run out, you rebuild it and fall in love all over again :(

Humans are not perfect and never will be. Trying to push them in to optimistic relationships and expect them to work it out regardless of the situation is asking for failure.

This kind of mentality is also what drove two of my family members to near suicide levels because they were unhappy and abused and felt like they couldn't leave because it was wrong.

Marriage was a prospect that came to be hen people lived to about 35~40, so life was 20 years or so, now its closer to(average age 75~80?) so 60 years, thats a big difference.

Placing that idealistic view on an archaic model is never going to work I'm afraid. (it can but ... yeah)
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-01-07 22:42:56
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Cerberus.Conagh said: »
Put it in a UK bank, our rates are 4~6%

Gonna go with citationneeded.jpg on that one. I can't find any info on a UK bank that offers 4-6% for a standard savings account.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-01-07 22:45:42
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Cerberus.Conagh said: »
Put it in a UK bank, our rates are 4~6%

Gonna go with citationneeded.jpg on that one. I can't find any info on a UK bank that offers 4-6% for a standard savings account.

Was just advertised on TV today, I'll find it next time its on and post it
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-01-07 22:49:58
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Actually quick google check


http://www.hsbc.co.uk/1/2/savings-accounts/regular-savings-accounts

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Put money aside each month and watch your balance grow with an HSBC Regular Saver. You can save up to £3,000 at a great interest rate that's fixed for 12 months - either 4% or 6% AER/gross.

You didn't look too hard.
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By Siren.Pringlesx 2015-01-07 23:03:36
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From another article on this story:

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Sue Ann Arnall, 56, scoffed at the jackpot-size payout from former hubby Harold Hamm — CEO of the energy company Continental Resources — demanding more money because he was allowed to keep the bulk of his $13.5 billion fortune.

The check, penned in bubbly handwriting, was made out for a mind-numbing $974,790,317.77 on Monday. The couple was married for 26 years.
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A divorce settlement check from Harold Hamm, chief executive of oil driller Continental Resources, to ex-wife Sue Ann Arnall in the amount of $974.8 million.Photo: Reuters

The sky-high sum was delivered to Arnall’s legal team on Tuesday, but was promptly turned away, according to Hamm’s lawyer, Michael Burrage.

“Ms. Arnall, through her counsel, stated that they were rejecting the . . . payment because Ms. Arnall did not want to risk the dismissal of her appeal by acceptance of the benefits,” Burrage said in a statement on Tuesday.

Arnall plans to appeal a November divorce court ruling that granted her $995 million, along with other assets worth tens of millions more, such as a California ranch and an Oklahoma home, her legal team said at the time.

But she claims she was shortchanged because she stood by Hamm loyally, working as an executive for the firm — and using her skills as a lawyer and economist to help it succeed.

She's trying to get what's rightfully her's out of it. She helped him grow the business and make him the money, she's entitled to the proceeds as his wife if there was no per-nuptial agreement
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-01-07 23:05:47
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Cerberus.Conagh said: »
Actually quick google check


http://www.hsbc.co.uk/1/2/savings-accounts/regular-savings-accounts

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Put money aside each month and watch your balance grow with an HSBC Regular Saver. You can save up to £3,000 at a great interest rate that's fixed for 12 months - either 4% or 6% AER/gross.

You didn't look too hard.

That's not what I had in mind for a "standard" savings account. The one you're referring to was one with a 12-month fixed term investment without the option to withdraw. That's more of an investment account than any "savings account" I've come across. The instant access accounts from the same bank have much lower interest rates.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-01-07 23:07:19
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Cerberus.Conagh said: »
Actually quick google check


http://www.hsbc.co.uk/1/2/savings-accounts/regular-savings-accounts

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Put money aside each month and watch your balance grow with an HSBC Regular Saver. You can save up to £3,000 at a great interest rate that's fixed for 12 months - either 4% or 6% AER/gross.

You didn't look too hard.

That's not what I had in mind for a "standard" savings account. The one you're referring to was one with a 12-month fixed term investment without the option to withdraw. That's more of an investment account than any "savings account" I've come across. The instant access accounts from the same bank have much lower interest rates.

Arguably not alot of point of instantly accessing your money to withdraw as that would detract from any interest to grow.
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Cerberus.Conagh said: »
Arguably not alot of point of instantly accessing your money to withdraw as that would detract from any interest to grow.

Well yeah, but my comment was made about what counts as a "typical" savings account here in the States. If you're talking untouchable investment money, I can get higher than 4-6% anyway without much effort.
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By Asura.Echandra 2015-01-07 23:21:34
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As was previously stated, normally the higher return is going to be an investment type venture with risk for potential loss. Any *ahem* savings/money market/premium account that is going to yield a higher interest compared to a "regular" account is going to have requirements such as spending XYZ amount or a minimum amount of transactions, (Which will essentially mean you are going to need to have some of it be liquid and moving around.) It would also have tiered caps/minimum balance caps to qualify, say the premium rate for the first 25-50k minimum 5k balance etc; then a lower tiered rate for amounts in excess. It's never going to be just throw it in the bank and reap all the interests.
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Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Valefor.Endoq said: »
I think divorce its self is wrong. Mariage is for life, even if you fall out of love, you don't run out, you rebuild it and fall in love all over again :(
You have 3 kinds of humans in this situation: the ones that do not care about the whole thing and will move on, the ones that are blind/naive and cannot see reality and even worse accept it, and the ones that aren't going to poison their life with someone that has become their poison.

You'd be the second one. Divorce isn't always a loss for the one to pick it, it's sometimes the only way out if you want to keep your sanity/life/comfort.

Being rich brings a whole new dimension to being married. You're not just married to that girl earning 1200$ per month while you earn 1300. You're married to a girl that spends X of your $ while you earn it. And vice versa.

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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Valefor.Endoq said: »
I think divorce its self is wrong. Mariage is for life, even if you fall out of love, you don't run out, you rebuild it and fall in love all over again :(

Humans are not perfect and never will be. Trying to push them in to optimistic relationships and expect them to work it out regardless of the situation is asking for failure.

This kind of mentality is also what drove two of my family members to near suicide levels because they were unhappy and abused and felt like they couldn't leave because it was wrong.

Marriage was a prospect that came to be hen people lived to about 35~40, so life was 20 years or so, now its closer to(average age 75~80?) so 60 years, thats a big difference.

Placing that idealistic view on an archaic model is never going to work I'm afraid. (it can but ... yeah)

Has the whole world forgotten what love is?!

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails!
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not all marriages have that type of love in them
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Cerberus.Anjisnu said: »
not all marriages have that type of love in them
not all people prescribe to that particular delusion either...
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Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
34 YEARS to earn 500k? That's like 1250 a month
what?
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-01-08 02:32:11
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Jetackuu said: »
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
34 YEARS to earn 500k? That's like 1250 a month
what?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2015-01-08 02:35:36
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Hey, if she believes she needs that much for her funeral, fair enough.
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Cerberus.Anjisnu said: »
not all marriages have that type of love in them
Not only that but people change as they experience more throughout their lives. It requires both partners to change together and work for their relationship.

Love is nice, but marriage (any long term relationship) requires work. If both aren't willing then it will not succeed.

People can also change from outside influnces; drugs, alcohol, severe injury, mental instability, etc. Requiring someone to live and be married to someone they no longer understand or who has become physically, sexually, or emotionally violent is beyond stupid. It's not good for the adults involved and it's definately not healthy for any children.
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Bahamut.Kara said: »
People can also change from outside influnces; drugs, alcohol, severe injury, mental instability, etc. Requiring someone to live and be married to someone they no longer understand or who has become physically, sexually, or emotionally violent is beyond stupid. It's not good for the adults involved and it's definately not healthy for any children.
I'm a supporter of divorce. Actually, I'm not sure marriage should be legal in the first place (as in, it shouldn't be a legal institution). Just making that clear from the outset as I wander down a tangent.

Nonetheless, the issue of divorce, especially as regards children, is a bit spiky. On the one hand, it benefits no one to have two spouses at each others' throats or barely tolerating one another for the sake of their spawn. On the other hand, unless it's an amicable divorce that doesn't require a court to determine custody and visitation (meaning a very rare circumstance indeed owing to all that Christian *** propaganda about love forever), divorce can absolutely wreck the kids even if the ex-spouses don't consciously or unconsciously try to alienate the other in their kids' eyes.

So what do we do for the children? For two adults, divorce ought to be a logical and simple process once it becomes clear that things aren't going to endure (for whatever reason), but once the family involves crotch dumplings, a quick and easy split does not seem nearly as possible. I've thought about it but never figured out a reasonable solution. My niece has effectively three parents right now as a result of trying to figure this out and it's going to get a lot more complicated now that she has younger brothers with only two parents.
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