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By Odin.Jassik 2014-03-17 21:39:36
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He is a demon, but for instance, Hamanoa doesn't work on him.
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By Sieha1 2014-03-18 01:55:08
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He's a special demon, with a football helmet.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2014-03-18 01:58:00
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Probably similar to elementals, which are actually arcana that don't receive a majority of the benefits that you'd be able to reap on normal arcana. same for umbrils.

my "definition" of the phenomenon:

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Special Correlation = a correlation that receives damage bonuses via correlation, but does not trigger Killer effects nor activates Circle/Sigil bonuses. So far it's Elementals, Pixies, and Umbrils, I suspect there's others. Odds are they stuck the mobs that they couldn't or didn't want to come up with a family for into the a dummy ecosystem (Arcana), rather than making a neutral family or new ecosystems altogether. The only way to find these mobs is via BLU spells, I suspect that it's either a bug that BLU spell correlation still works or that they were just too lazy to make a bit of code that turns that off with the rest of the correlation mechanics.
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By Bismarck.Keityan 2014-03-18 09:47:06
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Bismarck.Keityan said: »
Cibitshavore(Bow): DMG:261 Delay:600 AGI+3 Ranged Accuracy+6 Archery skill +242

Without augments, and parameters I have on my RNG spreadsheet, this bow will be roughly equivalent to Namas Arrow on Uncapped R. attack situations using Apex Arrow. (Used Tojil parameters as the model). Namas still beats Apex on capped r.attack (All other models).

I'll be testing this one out this week. Spreadsheet data seems to cap apex attack boost to 10% r.attack which I'm sure is not the case.
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By Carbuncle.Killkenny 2014-03-18 12:30:18
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How does new bow 5/5 Apex compare to Overwhelmed Fudo/Shoha with Koga?

Roughly how much does Apex lose to Namas with capped Rattack
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By Bismarck.Keityan 2014-03-18 13:06:03
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Carbuncle.Killkenny said: »
Roughly how much does Apex lose to Namas with capped Rattack

~500-700 damage per WS depending on the mob. (no inherent +DT weaknesses)

Carbuncle.Killkenny said: »
How does new bow 5/5 Apex compare to Overwhelmed Fudo/Shoha with Koga?

Citing myself a few months back, even with the weaker base damage Yoichi, Apex was already beating overwhelmed Fudo (not Koga specific------> we really need bow WS's in SAM spreadsheet)

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/36563/bushido-the-way-of-the-samurai-a-guide/32/#2507998
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By Carbuncle.Killkenny 2014-03-18 13:24:03
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Sorry I wasn't particularly clear, is that 500-700 damage difference with Yoichi for Apex or with the new bow?
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By Bismarck.Keityan 2014-03-18 13:36:13
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Carbuncle.Killkenny said: »
Sorry I wasn't particularly clear, is that 500-700 damage difference with Yoichi for Apex or with the new bow?

Yoichi using Namas vs Cibitshavore using Apex Arrow

Figured this is the best comparison. Basically this:

1. If you're using a Yoichi, still use it at will.
2. If you don't have a Yoichi, use Cibishavore with Apex Arrow 5/5. You will perform well when r.attack is not capped but you will still lose to Yoichi if r.attack is capped.

....3: Testing whether it's possible to do well with KogaAM3 + Apex again!. I'm waiting for information on what the augments will be.
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By Bismarck.Keityan 2014-03-18 21:12:45
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Airlixir # (Path A) Cibitshavore:
#1: +7 Rng.Atk., +7 STR
#2: +9 Rng.Atk., +9 STR
#3: +11 Rng.Atk., +10 STR, +1 DMG
#4: +12 Rng.Atk., +11 STR, +2 DMG
#5: +14 Rng.Atk., +12 STR, +4 DMG
#6: +15 Rng.Atk., +12 STR, +5 DMG

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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-03-18 21:17:33
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Amazing stats... this was with 6 +2s?
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-03-18 21:41:10
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was hoping for ranged acc too, but the 242 skill is probably enough.
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By Bismarck.Keityan 2014-03-18 21:56:29
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Amazing stats... this was with 6 +2s?

Yeah, I used 6 +2's but I think it's technically supposed to be 5 +2's and like 44 +1's. The decision that they gave me were:

A) STR, R.attack, ???
B) AGI, R.acc, ???
C) STR, R.acc ???

This was a really hard decision. I was tempted to take B because Apex's mod is AGI but R.attack was hard to pass up.
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By Sylph.Safiyyah 2014-03-19 11:14:01
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Bismarck.Keityan said: »
Airlixir # (Path A) Cibitshavore:
#1: +7 Rng.Atk., +7 STR
#2: +9 Rng.Atk., +9 STR
#3: +11 Rng.Atk., +10 STR, +1 DMG
#4: +12 Rng.Atk., +11 STR, +2 DMG
#5: +14 Rng.Atk., +12 STR, +4 DMG
#6: +15 Rng.Atk., +12 STR, +5 DMG


That bow is win. 119 accuracy, +DMG, AND 12 STR.

Paeapua looks nice, depending on buffs.
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By Ragnarok.Jukiro 2014-03-19 16:41:28
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Type C bow, Rank 15:

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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-03-19 16:44:04
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That would balance out the loss of STP using Xaddi body?
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-03-19 16:45:09
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Wow even not using archery, that bow is made of win for sam
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2014-03-19 16:49:25
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That's awesome. :o
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By Bismarck.Keityan 2014-03-19 17:13:10
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Whelp, time to reaugment it with C!
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By Bismarck.Keityan 2014-03-19 18:31:53
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(Deleted, miscalculation because missed bow in WS set, but fixed!)

But repeat post because the question is still relevant! (And it seems this is the best way to test anyway)

While testing Lentus, we must know whether it rounds up or rounds down. at a delay of 450*1.05, we get a value of 472.5. Is this 472 or 473?

Gear TP: 68
WS TP: 28

If Delay:
472: 5 hit
473: 4 hit

Result: 99 TP. Lentus gets rounded down to 472 or remains a decimal at 472.5. Sorry for the mistake!
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-03-19 20:02:41
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While your set work, it would work either with 472 or 473 delay if you tp in 72 stp; and shouldn't work if 71; unless there is no flooring on tp calculation based on delay wich would be odd.

Or I could simply fail at math!
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By Bismarck.Keityan 2014-03-19 20:10:55
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Asura.Ccl said: »
While your set work, it would work either with 472 or 473 delay if you tp in 72 stp

Yep it does! (It would be if I used sakonji +1 body which we can't get yet). Which is how I got to this gem of a situation!
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-03-19 20:11:24
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So Anahera Blade would be 518.7 or 519 with Lentus...what do I get with Gear stp at 64 ?

(I'm on a phone about to go eat dinner and watch a play so no time for ffxi maths)

Or is it always going to be a 4hit?

Edit: hoping there is a magical 33.4/hit set somewhere out there.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-03-19 20:12:48
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Bismarck.Keityan said: »
Asura.Ccl said: »
While your set work, it would work either with 472 or 473 delay if you tp in 72 stp

Yep it does, but sakonji +1 body doesn't exist yet!


So we don't know if grip floor :( Make a set to find that gdi :x (I get the same tp no matter if it's 472 or 473 don't think there is a wpn delay where we could figure it out :( )
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-03-19 20:28:52
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Asura.Ccl said: »
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Asura.Ccl said: »
While your set work, it would work either with 472 or 473 delay if you tp in 72 stp

Yep it does, but sakonji +1 body doesn't exist yet!


So we don't know if grip floor :( Make a set to find that gdi :x (I get the same tp no matter if it's 472 or 473 don't think there is a wpn delay where we could figure it out :( )

The higher the delay, the greater the difference, right, aren't there some 580-ish delay scythes?
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2014-03-19 21:08:46
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ItemSet 266064

ItemSet 274964

These sets are 4 hitting just fine for me.

26.3 tp/hit. 21.1 tp return from WS. 26.3 * 3 = 78.9 + 21.1 = 100.

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If 472:
WS TP: 20.2
TP: 26.5
RESULT: 99.7 TP

If 473:
WS TP: 20.3
TP: 26.6
RESULT: 100.1

What are you WSing in for such low TP returns?
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-03-19 21:19:50
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Ok result I got are same as your eijin! I bet he forgot to add bow stp
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By Bismarck.Keityan 2014-03-19 21:21:19
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Ragnarok.Ejiin said: »
What are you WSing in for such low TP returns?

Someone caught me on -->STP+21, my WS part of my equation didn't include the bow, so the WS set was 7 STP off. I'm going to repeat the test anyway to figure out exactly how it is floored anyway at 68 STP.

Fixed post here:
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/41903/bushido-the-way-of-the-samurai-a-guide-v-20/11/#2580773

If 472.5 did actually exists, I tried it with a set that has:
Gear STP: 70
WS STP: 23

If 472.5 really did exist, it would make this a 4 hit. If not, it is a 5 hit, thus it would be 472 delay.

Result: 99 TP at the end, it must be rounded down. so 450*1.05=472.5-> rounded down to 472.

Decimals does not exist for weapon values when calculated with Lentus. (Another test should probably be tested with something with a greater delay. No idea if 999*1.05 delay caps at 999....)
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By Bismarck.Keityan 2014-03-19 23:18:56
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Just did Xaddi Gauntlets path C:

Airlixir +2:
#1: Accuracy only
#2: Accuracy +9
#3: Accuracy +11, Store TP+1, Double Attack +1 (Rank 11)

Was checking whether there was going to be some weaponskill damage hidden in some of these. Guess not!

I wish there was more posts of the stages so we can extrapolate how much STP and DA we'd get. Based on my previous experience, I'm at least sure that it will be:

Accuracy+15, STP+3, DA+3?
Edit:
Visual siting (from WAR forum)
Accuracy+15, STP+3, DA+2
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By Bismarck.Keityan 2014-03-19 23:21:57
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Did Xaddi Gauntlets path B:

Airlixir +2:
#1: HP + Accuracy
#2: HP+27, Accuracy +9
#3: HP+33, Accuracy +11, Physical Damage taken -1 (Rank 11)

Seems like all of Xaddi Gauntlet augments are dead ends for SAM
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I was just informed SAM is good DD for new Yorcia Delve SO, what TP sets should i be aiming for in there?
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