Ark Angels II / Divine Might II (Discussion)

i wasn't trying to be condescending i really apologize comeatmebro i thought you were advocating for SMN so i was just saying like you guys (as in SMNs) will do great.

maybe my english is bad, im really sorry.

the smn they brought has mythic, and they still barely beat the fight in time. telling someone who likely has a less geared group than them they can bring smn isn't good advice.

Telling someone they're wrong based on absolutely nothing is pretty much the definition of condescending.

Everyone knows you're just trying to land a smart comment on me, though, Dray. Keep trying if you want.

I'm sorry Austar i was just trying to help...
we barely won 1st time you're right.

we had 5mins to spare 2nd time, im sorry though. Didn't mean to offend

I'm not offended, I just don't think advocating SMN is a good idea. Obviously the one you brought is well geared, and your group is above average for DD, so having someone play their favorite isn't too much of a hindrance. Most reading this thread for advice won't have those things, though, and will likely time out.

Stop apologizing to that filth, just ignore it and enjoy your wins with your LS.

Totally understand Austar.
i'm fairly new to posting and where i thought i was helping i may have just been causing confusion.

i'll stop.

You don't have to stop posting, but people are usually blunt when replying so expect it.

Twice. While SMN may not be "ideal' it served its purpose in that alliance. EA reducing AI on elvaan to 0 most of the time is hardly pointless. While it may only take a handful of relic RNGs to beat it, with the player base being as low as it is the harder part is finding intelligent people. So yeah it's "easy".

I'm not really sure what point you're making there, we've been over it already. Your setup worked for you, but if you want to argue for SMN's utility you'd need to go for something like:

-PLD is at risk of dying to AI without earthen armor. (it's not, unless you have a terrible or taru pld)
-The CE lost from AI's damage will result in PLD losing hate. (nope, rngs don't even cap CE before they die in optimal setup)
-SMN provides more utility than any other job in that slot. (would depend on your exact setup, but i can assure you the ideal setup doesn't have them)

If you want to provide an argument, I'll gladly debate with you. If you want to agree to disagree, that's fine too. Not seeing anything new brought to the table with that post.

It had more to do with the last sentence in that post. While it might not deserve a spot in the ideal or optimal setup, actually having the means to make the optimal or ideal setup this late in the game is nearly impossible.

So like I said, it served it's purpose in the alliance which was do some damage, debuff, Odin the GK, EA for EV and makes it to where we don't have to invite people to the alliance that are not the brightest.

It posts the time from any difficulty. That run was on normal.

If anyone cared about loot distribution, here it is.

On top of that, every single character gets four boxes/pouches of the REM 119 upgrade items, along with 8 of a random Rem's Tale from chapters 6-10 (ie, 8 Rem's Tales chapter 7)

Looks like even if you know you can't kill them all, would be nice to just do what you can on VD for dem Kyujutsugis~

A lot of items are like that for the DM battlefield. Kyujutsugi can drop off any AA.

Check ffxidb again

Seems like Animator/Satchet/SAM+RNG Body and such things drop from all AA's upon checking them in FFXIDB.

What's the lowest tier you can get Armor drops on?

I've gotten armor on VE

what is the deal with comeatmebro.... This guy keeps rippin on your group for taking a smn.... and says u dont know the game mechanics.... wow... this dude should spend another $60/month and level 6 more characters just because he can .... why do ppl think they have to correct everyone on what jobs to take to what.... when clearly, this LS has no issues clearing the hardest content in the game

It was more so pointing out that smn wasn't optimal, which it probably isn't. Then again, I don't know enough decent players to do this 100% optimally. It could probably be done with 14 or maybe even less, but the SMN is a decent player and brought along a couple of players that were 100% necessary for the win, so it worked for us.

That attack on Comeatmebro was a bit pathetic though, as he does bring up some valid points, where you just came off like a moron for no reason and didn't really contribute much that hasn't been said.

To sensitive.

What he said

I'm going to assume since there is no differance in the drops depending on the difficulty it's saefe to say all that changes is the drop rate?

Going to peep in here since Legato seems to just be defending and over apologetic and I think that people are needlessly bashing SMN without knowing the situation. I don't know what their setup is exactly but I'll provide an alliance point of view why I personally don't think it's a bad idea.

First off, melees are too much of a liability. Everyone knows that. Honestly, despite Pchan being arrogant, I'm using his experience as a ruler; he may be an ***, but he's a competent ***. If he can't manage to beat a VD while a simple RNG strat farms is daily with 0 issue, it's obvious that a RNG strategy is superior to melee. (The only melee job that I can see shining right now on VD is NIN). This leads me to believe that their strategy uses many RNG (3-6).

There is a common consensus each strategy requires 1 tank party and 2 DD parties. Each of those DD parties are ideally equipped with the same exact setup that people have been using for Delve:

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(2x)
3 DD
1 BRD (swapping)
1 COR (swapping)
1 Mage capable of healing
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In delve, the only time you used RNG was for the Bee. Because the RNG's go on a rape-fest, they'll pull hate and they tank. This is why you need a WHM. In DM, RNGs don't tank (and if they did, they'd be running the hell away to get the "too far away message" on WS.) So essentially, that last mage spot can be any mage that is capable of spot healing and the occasional raise. The 1 mage capable of healing need not be a WHM. It can be a SMN. It can be a RDM, BLM, SMN, WHM, SCH, GEO and others. It has to be "SOME SORT" of healing job however, you can't fill that hole with no healing what-so-ever because you'll risk the safety of the run as a whole.

Legato states that the SMN did 90k damage while the top DD (likely RNG) did 200k. If you placed a WHM in that spot, that 90k would be 0. I'm sure everyone had benefitted from the debuffs that the SMN provided. It's basically balancing an aggressive-defensive strategy. Sure, I'd feel safer with a WHM but if a SMN can manage to play the role correctly, that's 90k of damage that you wouldn't have otherwise.

That's not the only place you can place a SMN. The tank party can also be a good spot as well. There is simply no room and resources to keep a single DD in that party. A SMN is self sufficent damage and a 3rd party debuffer. It's good for what it is used for.

Conclusion:
No one is telling you to put a SMN in to replace a RNG as a main source of DD. People need to stop thinking of a job just purely on damage or purely on healing. Adding SMN isn't about purely healing or purely damage. It's there for balance. You're giving up a lot of healing (WHM) for moderate healing (SMN), moderate damage, and moderate debuffs. If you can afford the tradeoff, it's a great job to use. Unfortunately, it has been a job that has been has been sitting on the bench for so long that there aren't many good players that you can trust to do the job right and that is the real issue.

Lmfao

ItemSet 317930

I'm trying to get a RACC set for my SAM in case I catch a well timed WS and drop. With Sushi, Preludes, and such can I get something above floored ACC with this setup? I have Archery merited as well if that means anything any more.

I'm aware the set could be improved but it's still a work in progress. Working on a Matanki Earring, another Hajduk +1, and obviously a Kyujutsu Gi.

Edit: Yoichi is 119.

ideal setup is

rng rng rng rng brd cor
rng rng rng rng brd cor
pld pld brd whm whm geo

i've never once said smn can't be used, i said it's not ideal, there's no place to put it.. it's not difficulty understanding what it does, it's that you need to compromise other parts of your setup to use it

if you want to win as fast and reliably as possible, this is the setup to use

if you can't get this setup, don't like this setup, or whatever.. that's your choice and it's none of my business, but saying something's superior just because you scraped through a 29 min win with it or can think of a marginal use for some job is a joke

trying too hard