New Augment Results

fine fine just augment this and be done with it.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=13250

http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=17528

Or this~

/praise

Haha i just got resist poison +1 on my genie weskit. I may just give up on augmenting. I'm 0/47 on items getting anything worth spitting on,

Does it ever get better, is there any secrets, or is it as i suspect total random 99% garbage?

i've had tons of shitty augments wish i could post pics of what ive gottten but heres what i have that is somewhat decent

Acheron shield STR+2 enmity +1
DEX +1 on chivalrous chain
triumph earring which is not decent...hp-12 mp+12 agi-1 int+1 chr-1
flame ring with lol+14fire resist
smilodon mantle +1 chr+1 accuracy +3
and
wyvern helm DEX+2

i'm gonna try my soil ring next for cannonball booster be cool to get some str+ on it

anyways go samurai!

i know bst who woudl kill for that smilodon mantle (including me)

i got -2% delay on martial knuckles and eva+1 on chiv only worth while ones tomention

Too bad those lolknucks weren't hades sainti.

just wish beings im about 95% samurai the chr pissed me off....but meh....its the acc that counts i woulda liked to see dex to be honest but theres no room to *** its decent :)

and as far as the argument about haste gear its all situational, although i'd have to agree why use the warwolf if u have swift.....no brainer the acc gonna help your tp build, the dex +5 givin u almost that 3 mark on acc but its not quite there and why would u wanna sacrifice 1% haste?
im not gonna fully disagree with anyone i see on this forum because like i said it's all situational.
myself, i like the idea of 5 hit so i balance store tp and haste which throws hagun out the window.
rindomaru can be decent but find in all situations my pachipachio always comes out on top the randomness of hagun isnt my style....and as far as the debate on hagun and other gk's go its pretty clear hagun is a solo or merit party gk, you use hagun for the tp mod and quick skillchains. but beings tachi rana to gekko is most used skillchain your gimpin your dmg 100% rana gonna do the same damage at any % and when you start with over 200tp gekkos can be random as hell.

Rana is pretty much to SC only though. The damage on it is gonna be shitty either way unless it's on a REALLY weak mob. I don't see how pachi is going to beat hagun.

and when it comes to SC'ing anyways, the dmg of the actual SC is dependent on the dmg of the closing ws. So what hagun lacks for rana, it should make up for in darkness dmg anyways.

just my opinion i've done 1836 rana on mamool ja's outside the staging point.
in most aspects rana is just an opener but when u can produce big numbers from it along with gekko it becomes more clear..
its not that hagun is bad i've had 11 and boggle back and forth with it it's a great katana but in my own opinion from what i have seen with my with my pachi dosent make me so quick to jump back to a hagun.

ya thats true but i can do big dmg with my pachi also almost no difference to be honest, the reason why i like it is for 5 hit i ws faster with it and can match ws's by others np.

My main prob w/ pachi is the -acc and they delay. If I were ever going to do 5hit I'd buy rindos out the *** until I got an acceptable one.

For 5hit w/ pachi you need 18 stp in gear
Pachi (+2)
Hachiman kote+1 (+9)
Rajas (+5)
Brutal (+1)
Ecphoria (+1)
= 18, need 1 more
Options are (white tathlum, bushido cape, antilla's earring) 2 rly bad slots to give up for a point of stp and the other expensive as hell.

Even if you have usu shoes (+7) you don't get 5hit w/o hachi hands, this one though gives you a buffer of stp so you can WS in less stp gear.

Alternatively, can use askar body + usu shoes. Bad option though because you're already -6 acc on the weapon itself, then you have another -14-16 to add to that once subtracting acc and dex from haub to add to at least 10% less hitrate

Can use usu body and shoes, only way to get a 5hit w/o either sacrificing a lot of acc or 3-4 haste.

So, we'll go w/ usu body + usu shoes for my example. How these compare, any other combo w/ pachi will result in even less than the numbers shown.

6hit vs 5 hit

We'll do this in terms of Pachi and in a 6 minute interval.

This won't be a full fledged comparison, but just a basic go over of the two.

from 6hit to 5hit w/ no other factors involved 25% increase in ws frequency.

125% number of ws as hagun = 1.25

Let's look how this 25% gets a lot lower due to other factors.

We'll look at a 6 minute interval of 19% haste, march, march, haste, and hasso. We'll start both off w/ 300% tp from meditating while waiting on the party

Pachi: 172.8 delay
Hagun: 162 delay

Assuming WS hit hit hit hit hit WS for hagun and WS hit hit hit hit WS

60 delay is 1 second, 1 minute is 3600 delay, 6 minutes is 21600 delay.

Hagun's delay is 162
21,600/162 = 133.33 swings
21,600/172.8 = 125 swings

5 hits for hagun, after ws to 100 tp, 4 hits for pachi after WS for another WS
133.33/5 = 26.67 WS
125/4 = 31.25 WS

Now at first glance
31.25/26.67 = 17.17% increase in total number of WS.

But, we started off w/ TP and are using meditate once every 1 min 50 secs
Meditate will add the same number of WS to both weapons
we started w/ tp from meditate before our pt started. W/ sekk, that is 2 WS
33.25 ws vs 28.67 ws

W/ af2 hands and af hat, you will average 150 tp per meditate, 1.5 WS. In a 6 min interval, you will get to meditate two times, 3 ws for each

now we have
36.25 WS vs 31.67 WS

36.25/31.67 = 14% increase in number of WS.

This was assuming capped acc for both weps but if they are both uncapped, -6 acc. So let's say you have 90% hitrate w/ hagun and 87 w/ pachi. This won't reduce the number of ws gained from meditate so we'll go back to our orig comparison

31.25/26.67

31.25 x .87 = an average of 27.1875 WS
26.67 x .9 = 24.003 WS

Adding our 5 WS back in from meditate

32.1875 ws vs 29.003 WS

32.1875/29.003 = 11% increase in ws frequency.

At this point, hagun would only have to deal 11% more damage in WS to match the 11% more frequency of Pachi. Anything more than 11% and it is winning.

Again, there's more detail to this and the numbers would changes slightly as you enter in other factors, but this is a rough general analysis of the two.

And remember, this is w/ usu body and usu shoes. If you lose usu body or usu shoes, you have to replace haste w/ stp and the difference will be even less.

As far as rana goes, pachi is a 9.3% increase in ws damage from its base damage, and a little more from the attack (varies on target), but since agun's tp bonus still works (just for the acc mod not for the FTP mod) any acc you gain, provided you're uncapped should be able to make up for a lage portion of that difference.

jesus christ Vegetto get a life

he can play the game using watever fkin weapon he wants, its not up to you so stfu.

4 hit rana build or GTFO!

Did I tell him what weapon to use? I said, "if I were going to do a 5hit"

Also, lol at get a life. If you call being able to do basic pre-algebra not having a life, I'd hate to see how you did in school. Also, listen to you. You're on a forum for a videogame whining like a *** telling someone to get a life. Hypocrite much?

LOL

Quick, someone get me a bandage, I'm butt hurt!

O.o So, I was augmenting some stuff last night in Valley of Sorrows... I got an Igqira Weskit with Resist Charm!

Growing collection of shitty forager mantles

That sounds pretty damn awesome to me mate, you seem to have it worked out well, don't listen to Vegetable hes a delusional loldrg who thinks he knows everything about anything and if you don't play as he says your automatically an idiot.

Well, it could have been worse. >.> I haven't tried a Forager's yet. Most of mine have been Wyvern Helms, Warwolf Belts, Ruby Rings, Dusk Gloves, random low lvl stuff, Igqira Weskit, Bard instruments, etc. All 300k or less so far.

Congrats Mattyc, you've impressed an under par DRK.

ALL the foragers in that pic are augmented lol. Worst one of the bunch is -1 str -1 dex

*You're, idiot. lol
Just because someone proves something wrong by backing it up with data, doesn't mean ya have to hold a grudge. =)

Yeah, Forager's Mantle is close to the top of my list to augment. Probably going to give up on Warwolf/Ruby for the moment... I'm just going to buy a 5 Str ring for ws and go back to aug'ing the Ruby rings later. >.<

At least it actually is technically better... unless your using it on blu

I nominate this for the Ignorant Comment of the Day award...

i'll be honest none of that ***u wrote made much sense to me....
not makin fun because your obviously very up to par on numbers
heres what i rock...
as sad as it sounds i have ***luck for usu feet which is only real peice i intend on getting.

hachi hands feet
enkidus subligar
ww belt
smilodon mantle with the 3acc and +1 chr
rajas and flame ring
brutal
bushi
chiv chain or snow gorget cuz i keep gettin screwed outta j torque
wyvern helmet with dex+2
i use a pole strap rose strap would be gimping my ws dmg
5/5 stp merits

all in all i dont need to brag or even online lie

bird camp really cant even be a factor cuz we all know most samurai's can sekkanoki and 3/4 there life.

but running numbers with my pachi i was on top over 2 elvaan's with haguns by 3 % 5.5%
and even a drg by 1.3%

my question is this though have u ever had a pachipachio?

if not maybe you should borrow a friends and see for yourself, also keep in mind i was tanking most the 5 hour's the merit party lasted so seigan and third eye were up damn near whole time :)

everyone has right to opinions and thoughts on different thing's, i will agree the right sam with the right gear plays a big role but when someone knows there job better than most he can benefit just as much.

I stand by my other statement and no saying its impossible.