Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Stop putting words in my mouth. I also like run a lot, it's tons of fun to play, but feelings don't make it better. Remove the blinkers, job sucks for anything that matters.
[dev1151] Job Adjustments: Rune Fencer
[dev1151] Job Adjustments: Rune Fencer
Actually try it out in anything that matters. Gear it with other jobs, go to an event, try it out, and just maybe you'll actually play the job in the right event and see how it works. But thats a huge maybe since apparently everyone has perfect weapons and gear and you dont and every RUN is going to be a derptarded idiot and not know how to get the mobs attention. Seems like that is the perfectly valid logic there.
You know, everyone in the game is stupid except you. Nobody uses run cause we can't understand it, you're the only special one who can grasp its awesomeness.
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
You know, everyone in the game is stupid except you. Nobody uses run cause we can't understand it, you're the only special one who can grasp its awesomeness.
You make a lot of assumptions about what I do or what I don't. Also forgot to mention, but paladin mitigates magic damage better than run also.
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
You make a lot of assumptions about what I do or what I don't. Also forgot to mention, but paladin mitigates magic damage better than run also.
I'll just quote myself from the other thread. If you want to insist, go ahead but you just stubbornly refuse that the job is not as good as everyone wish.
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Run works on delve nms, but the fact that it works doesn't mean it's worth it.
I insist that it is getting to where it should be, and can be used in a limited spectrum in the role it is meant to be used.DD's work on Delve NMs also, doesnt mean you can just spam Resolution on every one of them and hope you do alot of damage. You have to gear for it,understand how the event works,know how to play your job, and actually try it out and exploit what makes your job do well. Without any of that, we wouldnt know anything about these events if people didnt actually try to figure this ***out and attempt with their best attempts at what they are doing. I do insist that you continue to be completely ignorant of the options and their gravity though,its cute.
I am disappointed... RUN Is destined to suck. :(
You just keep making assumptions about me, implying I'm clueless about how to play this job..maybe if you'll look around this forum section you'll notice I'm one of the few who actually cares about this job.
Unlike you I don't try to belittle you, I'm sure you know how to play run since you're so passionate about it; what you don't know though is that it's a wasted party slot.
Unlike you I don't try to belittle you, I'm sure you know how to play run since you're so passionate about it; what you don't know though is that it's a wasted party slot.
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
You just keep making assumptions about me, implying I'm clueless about how to play this job..maybe if you'll look around this forum section you'll notice I'm one of the few who actually cares about this job.
Unlike you I don't try to belittle you, I'm sure you know how to play run since you're so passionate about it; what you don't know though is that it's a wasted party slot.
Unlike you I don't try to belittle you, I'm sure you know how to play run since you're so passionate about it; what you don't know though is that it's a wasted party slot.
It is useful, just not totally realized.
...There better be a whole lot of store TP on the empyrean gear, because so far this doesn't seem to add a whole lot to potential DPS. Never get to take Run to any events. -.-
Subtle blow? Really?
I guess at least Inspire will slightly mitigate the problems brought on by casting while /sam with Hasso active.
Subtle blow? Really?
I guess at least Inspire will slightly mitigate the problems brought on by casting while /sam with Hasso active.
Enuyasha said: »
It is only a waste in the party slot if you are doing straight zergs that do not require a tank of any form period and try to tank stuff you arent supposed to. OR, in a DD Zerg situation where you are trying to reach numbers that are impossible with extremely high expectations anyway.
It is useful, just not totally realized.
It is useful, just not totally realized.
hey guess what we call a job that's only useful in cases where just about any job would work
"not useful"
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Thinking about it again...probably 5/5 Runes and Vallation/Valiance in group 1. Gambit is really nice, but its use is fairly limited, dunno if it'd be worth spending the merits on that.
Group 2 still don't know where to place Rayke, maybe over 1 Inspiration. It could be nice to land enfeebles or stun, but whatever..we'll see the potency of all this stuff before deciding.
Group 2 still don't know where to place Rayke, maybe over 1 Inspiration. It could be nice to land enfeebles or stun, but whatever..we'll see the potency of all this stuff before deciding.
Here's a simple one that I really wanted that they broke my heart by not including:
Rune damage added to Range Attacks.
I just leveled RUN to make the RNG/RUN and was so excited to have addidtional damage on the range attacks. It would instantly bring RNG and RUN to the head of the table and make some cool gearsets (adding more holy damage to a Holy bolt set, Rangers stacking INT and MAB for additional damage, etc) but they let me down.
Rune damage added to Range Attacks.
I just leveled RUN to make the RNG/RUN and was so excited to have addidtional damage on the range attacks. It would instantly bring RNG and RUN to the head of the table and make some cool gearsets (adding more holy damage to a Holy bolt set, Rangers stacking INT and MAB for additional damage, etc) but they let me down.
Or the other way around and have a RUN/RNG with range attacks while enhancing the group and minimizing damage.
RUN can't equip any ranged weapons whatsoever nor has any skill, so that makes no sense
Puppetmaster said: »
RUN can't equip any ranged weapons whatsoever nor has any skill, so that makes no sense
But the RNG/RUN would if the additional damage was added to the ranged attacks.
I don't think /RUN would add any damage to Holy Bolts. Only 1 'Add. Effect' can proc per attack.
Hurray for lackluster merits.
Rune Enhancement Effect- This one confuses me. Will we simply deal an extra 2 damage per rune, or will the increase be larger than that?
Vallation Effect- If the extra MDB has a substantial enough effect, like One For All, this could be worthwhile.
Lunge Effect- Lunge rarely misses anyways, even on high-level mobs.
Pflug Effect- I have never gotten this damn JA to work. I can have 3 matching runes, the appropriate bar- spell, and still get slammed with status effects all day. I get more random resists with Tenacity alone than when I actively try to prevent one.
Gambit Effect- Reduced recast on an already short-lived ability? Why not increase the effect or the duration? Then it might be somewhat useful.
Battuta- Probably one of the few merits that I actually went "Wow, that might not be too bad."
Rayke- Gambit 2.0, but with the increased duration that Gambit should've gotten. If the effects stack it could make for some sick Lunges, but I wouldn't be surprised if they share a recast ala Collaborator/Accomplice.
Inspiration- I cast three, maybe four spells while I'm actively tanking: Flash, Foil, Phalanx, Regen IV. That's it. Anything else either takes too long or isn't worth the MP cost.
Sleight of Sword- Because Great Swords swing so fast that we actually needed this?
Rune Enhancement Effect- This one confuses me. Will we simply deal an extra 2 damage per rune, or will the increase be larger than that?
Vallation Effect- If the extra MDB has a substantial enough effect, like One For All, this could be worthwhile.
Lunge Effect- Lunge rarely misses anyways, even on high-level mobs.
Pflug Effect- I have never gotten this damn JA to work. I can have 3 matching runes, the appropriate bar- spell, and still get slammed with status effects all day. I get more random resists with Tenacity alone than when I actively try to prevent one.
Gambit Effect- Reduced recast on an already short-lived ability? Why not increase the effect or the duration? Then it might be somewhat useful.
Battuta- Probably one of the few merits that I actually went "Wow, that might not be too bad."
Rayke- Gambit 2.0, but with the increased duration that Gambit should've gotten. If the effects stack it could make for some sick Lunges, but I wouldn't be surprised if they share a recast ala Collaborator/Accomplice.
Inspiration- I cast three, maybe four spells while I'm actively tanking: Flash, Foil, Phalanx, Regen IV. That's it. Anything else either takes too long or isn't worth the MP cost.
Sleight of Sword- Because Great Swords swing so fast that we actually needed this?
Stuff I was hoping to see added to the job or meritable that would actually make playing the job more interesting:
The problem with Rayke is that it just looks like Angon for nukers, and 3 more seconds per merit is a joke unless we see some aug'd af2+2 /af3 type armor that extend the duration 'per-merit' on this and alot of other merit items.
Bar-light/dark
A JA to convert all current runes to another element (this would be nice for fighting some dual-element casters)
A JA to expend harbored runes to purge status effects of the opposing alignment (Lux runes remove Bio/Blind, Gelus runes remove silence/gravity etc).
A 'No-foot rise' JA effect like others mentioned to get 2-3 runes up quickly.
A single target magic shield like 'One for All' that you can put on a single party member that has its own cooldown.
Merits for ampliflying runed damage on melee hits when single/dual wielding 1H weapons.
Requiescat and Sanguine blade are fantastic ws's for runefencers in some situations and i'd really like to see SE make the job viable with swords as well, not just 'GS+reso spam onry'TP bonus merits when using 1H weapons. runeFENCER still has no native fencer trait, it should at least match warrior's rank V.
The problem with Rayke is that it just looks like Angon for nukers, and 3 more seconds per merit is a joke unless we see some aug'd af2+2 /af3 type armor that extend the duration 'per-merit' on this and alot of other merit items.
Replying to Sapphire, just not quoting because otherwise this'd be a fairly large post.
- Honestly, I'm not too bothered by the lack of Barlight/dark spells. Since there really aren't that many light- or dark- based 'nukes'/elemental TP moves, I don't see a huge demand for it. The 162 resist from runes seems to suffice for most stuff that I have encountered.
- For multi-element casters, I try to keep two of one rune up and one of the other. It cuts down on your en- spell damage, yes, but it's better than having 3 of one rune active and then having them cast the opposite element while you sit there going "Oh s#*t, I don't have any runes!" It's easier to swap one rune on the fly than all three. I've even been known to keep three different runes up for stuff like Fuath. Again, not as effective, but it's easy enough to rotate bar- spells to compensate.
- A JA to remove status effects would be handy, sort of like PUP's Eraser attachment.
- An ability like Presto would certainly be useful.
- Between Valiance and One For All, I'm not so sure we need another JA to boost party members.
- Honestly, I'm not too bothered by the lack of Barlight/dark spells. Since there really aren't that many light- or dark- based 'nukes'/elemental TP moves, I don't see a huge demand for it. The 162 resist from runes seems to suffice for most stuff that I have encountered.
- For multi-element casters, I try to keep two of one rune up and one of the other. It cuts down on your en- spell damage, yes, but it's better than having 3 of one rune active and then having them cast the opposite element while you sit there going "Oh s#*t, I don't have any runes!" It's easier to swap one rune on the fly than all three. I've even been known to keep three different runes up for stuff like Fuath. Again, not as effective, but it's easy enough to rotate bar- spells to compensate.
- A JA to remove status effects would be handy, sort of like PUP's Eraser attachment.
- An ability like Presto would certainly be useful.
- Between Valiance and One For All, I'm not so sure we need another JA to boost party members.
Bismarck.Ariyon said: »
Will we simply deal an extra 2 damage per rune, or will the increase be larger than that?
The JP version said +2 resistance.
Bahamut.Bojack said: »
I don't think /RUN would add any damage to Holy Bolts. Only 1 'Add. Effect' can proc per attack.
Either way, many Rangers could have done RNG/RUN with Holy Bolt gearset and regular bolts. That would have allowed the RUN additional Damage to be on par with the Holy bolt effect but with regular bolts. Instant upgrade on ranged attack damage.
Instead, blah.
Really was hoping for some excitement on FFXI but it's pretty dull logging in to this game now.
Lyncath said: »
A merit ability or trait which enhances DPS would have been welcome...
Subtle Blow? What the heck?
Make it so Rune Enhancement damage rises during Swordplay, Subtle Blow is just pointless.
Subtle Blow? What the heck?
Make it so Rune Enhancement damage rises during Swordplay, Subtle Blow is just pointless.
Considering the whole subtle bow thing; may come in helpful fighting heavy magic mobs who also use devistating tp moves? Just tossing it out there, just not sure if it is woth sacraficing othr merits for it. Sure they will adjust merits in future as feedback rolls in to devs.
My only real insight to more dark resist is that Death is a dark based spell,so you could potentially full resist death with enough dark resistance and "resist death" equipment (162+Pflug+Death equipment)
As for Inspire,Im going to assume it just gives flat 10% Fast Cast which would be nice for Flash recast,Foil Recast,and putting up aquaveil,stoneskin,and phalanx faster(along with their recast).
As for Inspire,Im going to assume it just gives flat 10% Fast Cast which would be nice for Flash recast,Foil Recast,and putting up aquaveil,stoneskin,and phalanx faster(along with their recast).
Charm is light-based, so you can resist it with light resistance runes, barlight would help with that if it existed
Does the Meteor NMs use have an element? (People used to think it was either light or dark, but it might be non-elemental like the player version)
Kaustra is dark nuke, as is Comet
Things like Cait Sith's astral flow, Alexander's astral flow (in the fight against him), Some of Ultima's moves, etc. etc. are all light-based as well. So it wouldn't be useless, if anything the reason they haven't added barlight/bardark is because SE thinks it would be overpowered and they need their "balance" lol
Does the Meteor NMs use have an element? (People used to think it was either light or dark, but it might be non-elemental like the player version)
Kaustra is dark nuke, as is Comet
Things like Cait Sith's astral flow, Alexander's astral flow (in the fight against him), Some of Ultima's moves, etc. etc. are all light-based as well. So it wouldn't be useless, if anything the reason they haven't added barlight/bardark is because SE thinks it would be overpowered and they need their "balance" lol
Puppetmaster said: »
Charm is light-based, so you can resist it with light resistance runes, barlight would help with that if it existed
Does the Meteor NMs use have an element? (People used to think it was either light or dark, but it might be non-elemental like the player version)
Kaustra is dark nuke, as is Comet
Things like Cait Sith's astral flow, Alexander's astral flow (in the fight against him), Some of Ultima's moves, etc. etc. are all light-based as well. So it wouldn't be useless, if anything the reason they haven't added barlight/bardark is because SE thinks it would be overpowered and they need their "balance" lol
Does the Meteor NMs use have an element? (People used to think it was either light or dark, but it might be non-elemental like the player version)
Kaustra is dark nuke, as is Comet
Things like Cait Sith's astral flow, Alexander's astral flow (in the fight against him), Some of Ultima's moves, etc. etc. are all light-based as well. So it wouldn't be useless, if anything the reason they haven't added barlight/bardark is because SE thinks it would be overpowered and they need their "balance" lol
Meteor is non-elemental, so that one's moot. Kaustra I could maybe see, but I think the only things I've ever seen cast it are Paramount Botulus and the Jagil NM in Fractures. (I'm sure there's a few more, they're just the only ones I've seen.) And I don't know that I've ever seen anything use Comet...
Cait Sith is a pretty weak example. You fight him what, once? (I never did the WotG storyline) Alexander is also pretty flimsy unless you're someone who likes to spam him for the lulz, but he's not particularly threatening anyways.
The argument of "balance" and "overpowering" is also lame because you could argue the same thing about the rest of the bar- spells, and they see far more use than barlight/dark ever would.
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