Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"

In before you need to collect 250 item for 12M each..

woops, wait what?



/ontopic they are trolling us, right?

not sure if serious or troll...

They say lots of things and never pay out. I could name a few promises they made and future ideas which never happened. I take anything they say with slat and I'll believe it when it happens. Relic Upgrades going to cost 30,000 relic currency; Emp's going to require 5000 +2 upgrade items; and Mythics going to require unborn children.

SE also said there won't be anymore trial for post 99 R/E/M upgrade. They'll work it in a different way.

DLC! For only 10$ you can have 2 D on your r/e/m!

Now now. SE isn't Activision.

I actually like the idea someone suggested with tatter-style Synergy. Maybe a new drop from Arch-Dyna mobs for relics, something from Provenance for Empy, something from neo-Salvage for Mythic. Could actually be a lot of fun if there were multiple pool options like Kirin gear, and people would definitely compete for insane random pool augments if the weapons were still top tier.

My case in point is this, the Crobaci on the front page has a pretty sweet Augment on it, it has a total damage of 171 with +7 Strength, level 99 Rag has 143 Dmg, the new 99 Greatsword has a difference of +28 Damage.

Pretty sure that's with a Ghastly Stone +1 the poster said, while there exists a ghostly stone +2 you can get.

Would I rather pay the 150+ mil to get a 99 Rag or do some Skirmish and get a weapon that outshines a relic. According with wiki, the greatsword can get a total of +38 damage with WS damage +10%

Like I mentioned, unless the damage is increased, by a lot, on Relic weapons, it's just not worth doing them anymore. I've already seen a large decrease in the value of currency on Quetz so far since the expansion.

Doing some +attack +accuracy or some crap augments will not help REMs.

It all depends on the relic/mythic/empy in question. Crobaci does beat Rag it seems yeah, but Amano is still a good contender where acc matters, and Annihilator is still pretty solid for rng. Yoichi is good for sam/rng (and sam has no skirmish bow counterpart, or empy/mythic for that matter). Can't think of others off the top of my head, but there are some that are still pretty good (especially mythics if AM3 is not an issue of maintaining).

Still Eikechi, the economy and the value of Currency, Alex, plates, cinders and dross will still crash if only about 1 or 2 of each of the REMs are worth doing. It just wouldn't be worth doing dyna anymore, as well as voidwatch isn't really worth it anymore, if people don't need plates, etc, no one would do voidwatch anymore.

There needs to be something to affect all of them, having 1 or 2 still being beneficial, will not help anything. I just don't see all the sams running around with a OAT2-4 GK with a Yoichi.

Not the sub, the fact that Yoichi is a decent bow for either job...

Probably shouldn't be doing that either way. Just sayin' lol.

You said SAM/RNG.

Also most Skirmish weapons really don't do much better (if at all) than their relic counterpart.

Crobaci looking like:

Augmented Crobaci Rare/Ex
[Main] All Races
DMG:179 Delay:501 STR+12
Weaponskill Damage+10%
LV 99 PLD DRK RUN

only slightly beats 99 Ragnarok in situations you don't need accuracy. Then as soon as you stop weaponskilling right at 100% TP, Ragnarok starts to pull back ahead.

Amano or Masa vs. whatever are quite a bit ahead of whatever since you get access to Kaiten and Fudo, which are quite a bit better than Shoha when you don't need the attack bonus.

besides the fact it shits all over kaiten for buffed situations

Yeah sam/rng as in sam or ranger... If i would have said rng/sam it would have probably looked totally different to you. Regardless my message would have been exactly the same.

Not really. I would have asked you why you were /SAM on RNG.

But I guess your message still would have been incorrect, so you're right there.

Then idk what to tell you. You just read it wrong. People use / marks to differentiate ***in a list, like r/e/m.

Or you could have said SAM or RNG, but you didn't.

(granted, you're probably saving face right now so it really doesn't matter and I'm not quite sure why I'm still bothering to argue with you)

are you guys really doing this?

Saving face? No I know you don't have to sub rng to use Namas... wtf lol. Tryin too hard to try to make me look bad I guess, but w/e.

I'm just trying to explain what he might be trollin' about. Can't tell if serious, and all that, etc, etc.

ANYWAY! That's what I was going to post before I saw Eikechi being, well, Eikechi.

i don't think people generally have to try to make you look bad, you're kind of textbook abyssea era relic knowitall

Ragnarok 99 is still better even against the best augmented skirmish sword. They are very close granted and if I didn't have a ragnarok I would most likely chase a crobaci instead over dumping money into rag. However this would be purely for the convenience, Rag is still pretty much the best but its lead has been significantly reduced.

Your claim about its base dmg needing to be significantly raised is simply not true. If its dmg got raised to 160-165 its beating crobaci hands down people wouldn't even need to math it, because its already close having only a base of 144 at lvl 99. The only reason to raise its base dmg to like 190 or some outrageous bollocks is on the assumption that higher base dmg weapons in the future will be released, but hey its SE... who knows.....

All of my [+]s.

I don't see any trolling, you put SAM/RNG and that in FFxi terms means mainjob/subjob.

Never has "/" meant "or"

This pretty much sums up how I feel, why should I make new relics or more relics when the new stuff is cheaper and either better or slightly subpar and alot less time to invest into. Convenience is a big issue, if i'm going to spend months getting 1 single weapon, I don't want it to be marginally better or subpar to something I can get in 1-2 weeks.

Be funny if SE says you got to do a series of rigorous quests to get a ki that will double the stats on your r/m/e