Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"

I'd Like to Consider Myself a Average players I only have 4 Empyreans......

Kannagi 85 , Verethragna 85 , Masamune 85 , Ukonvasavra 85


Now Kannagi took me about 4 months to do while
(at the time it was tough alot of competition for NMs and what not back about a year or so ago)


Masamune prolly only took about 2 months or so and has to be one of the easiest Empyreans.


Verethragna and Ukonvasavra Both took me over 4 months for first stage alone (close to 6 or 7 months all together) with 2-3 people off and on.. So for someone to say these are way too easy to get i think all of them are not to far off from a relic...

(I know i've farmed 65x 100s in about 2 months but got really really bored and gave up on Mandau)


Now i do Understand that some have had Big LSs that ran 5 times a week and where able to finish a weapon a week and what not but thats SE's fault for making it that easy for larger groups....


But Like i said i think i'm a Average player with a job, a Girl Friend, a Car, an Apartment, and Groceries to Buy, and Beer to Drink ....
So I couldn't run 5 days a week and alot of endgame LS require some sort of 75% Attendance

NOT EVERYONE HAD THAT AT THEY'RE DISPOSAL


What makes me so furious is 85s 90s 95s where suppose to be relevant not as good as 99s BUT RELEVENT.

Now a Coin weapon is gonan have the option to unlock the WS .......... ummm wtf how bout us 85 and 90 owners.
ALOT MORE WORK WENT INTO MY WEAPONS THAN THAT CRAP

Also there is a ton of people that have done these 85s and 90s and arent mad probably because they have a single relic99 or Empyrean99 atm
Wich why aren't they throwing a fit thats alot of work wasted

Also atm it is nearly impossible to upgrade past 90 on Empyreans .... relics are so much easier to 99 because of the HMP trial.....
EVERYONE I KNOW HAS A 99 RELIC I ONLY KNOW @PEOPLE WITH A 99 EMPYREAN

no one is even doing VWNM shouts anymore took me 3 hours to fill up a Uptala for x6

Anyone one here from the Shield or Instrument trials Whining... i doubt it because there Crap is still useful even if it is only 85 90 or 95 Aegis, Ochain, Daurby, G. Horn

This to me is all Bull everything i've worked for in the last 2 years is gone and now all those people that had 5, 6, 7, 8 Empyreans dont seem to care because they had a LS do them all

.... I WOULD BE FURIOUS TOOO EVEN IF I HAD A 99

Now i Understand they need to find a way to balance this all because its all out of wack atm... BUT i dont think this gonna be the right way....

they need to scale these 85s 90s 95s and HEY IM NOT SAYING GIVE IT TO US MAKE US EARN IT EVEN THE 99s

just give us a way to increase our damage to a 85 so its closer to keeping up with Delve weapons....not as good a 99 relic but come on something

A person who gets a Delve weapon and 5 merits should not be able to out-parse all 4 of my weapons ....

thats a days worth of work and those WS i dont think where inteneded to be the end all be all....

P.S. if you say you buy anything Your not allowed to comment on this because you probably fish bot or something stupid

1. Having 50m Gil isn't a Average player a Average players cant buy 500 HMP's or a stage 4 or 5 Relic upgrade

2. the reason why they set these trials was for people to do them not just buy the crap and atm HMP trials are Nearly impossible

WE HAVE A PERSON ON ODIN BAZAARING HIS FOR 150k A PIECE BECAUSE HE KNOWS PEOPLE ARE $H!T OUT OF LUCK....

Get a Delve wep?

You want a weapon that is 4-14 levels below the current level cap to continue to be relevant?

What the *** is this? Seriously.

Yes. Yes, he should.

i cant wait to use smite with the shittiest looking weapon ever

and for no reason at all ... this

Beauty is only skin deep, and delve weapons got 'dat personality, baby!

Dear Odin.Kingdinguhling,

If SE did buff your lv85 weapons so that the were "closer to keeping up" with current delve weapons, what specifically would you like to work on in delve?

Love,
Erii

I could be wrong but I believe delve also offers armor >.>
Anyway its pretty clear the direction in which the devs are trying to guide this game. As it stands R/M/E weapons really have no place in this future they seem to envision with this weapon treadmill (as evident through their admission that they initially had no plans for them until the playerbase created a sh*tstorm). While they will update the 99 at least once in a future update, their vague statements regarding their futures leads me to believe they may be trying to phase these weapons out slowly and entirely in the future leading to two choices here. Accept their new weapon treadmill model (including accepting the fact that there is a very real possibility that these delve weapons you are making will in turn become obsolete themselves in a future update). Or you can just roll with option two like a good portion of the player population has already and just quit if you dont like the direction the game is heading. They were extremely reluctant in even addressing the 99 R/M/E scenario anyway so to expect them to also cater to the 85/90/95 crowd is just idyllic fantasy.

85/90 Empyrean people need to be more upset that they can't revert their weapons back to the VNM trial stage. Abyssean upgrade items are a joke compared to the horror that are the preceding trials.

Personally, I'd be supremely disappointed if my 85/90 weapons became relevant again, but not as disappointed as I am over the prospect of pre-trialing coin weapons :(

Nice sarcasm. You are very clever^^ Of course armours are available you silly-billy. ( ^ω^ )

But are you assuming that he would forego making a better weapon if his buffed lv85 weapon was almost as good? That he would focus on making armour only instead? I think you might be right! And it would be to the detriment of every group he joined.

We are talking about someone who already feels lv85 weapons were "close enough" for pre-Adoulin content. All the while chanting the mantra "I promise ill finish it later if you just make it easier to do!"

I can't understand the disconnect in logic where a person can be so motivated to organize and execute NNI strategies but can't be motivated to get a leg up in delve.

It's here now. It's strong. It's accessible.

Just do it.

let me unlock the weaponskills from my 90 empys and I will be happy indeed.

If I am given the option of unlocking the weaponskill but can continue my empy to 99 should I choose to do so, I think this would be the fairest option.

I am a bit annoyed that the only content they are trying to keep alive is WoE since its only the bloody jps that do it (on carby at least any way dunno about other servers.)

If they let both paths unlock the weaponskill with some sort of quest I think this would please everyone.

I am certainly not looking forwards to recamping some shitty nms because i made a 90 ukon and didn't make a "lol" WoE weapon.

I am happy though they are boosting the lvl 99 version though because some empy weaponskins imo do look pretty cool.

bump for more rage.

I'm sorry to break this to you but people didn't need delve wpn to outparse your 85 emp.

I cant wait for skirmish II upgrade and watch REMD rage over it. maybe SE will go as far as giving the new skirmish upgrade a new super strong weapon skill.

Now I have that song stuck in my head.

...well, at least I'm enjoying it. /dance :D

Coin weapons were harder to make than some empys!
Easy now that you can buy the coins, but back then shrug.

Skirmish 2 is lower ranked than upgraded remd.

No excuse man. I have a 40-60 hour job with lots of time on the road, a house, family, etc. Finish your weapons - the good stuff in mmo's are supposed to be accessible to large groups of corrdinated players. You are making too many assumptions about big linkshells and frankly using it as rationalizing not wanting to do stuff/help more than just your immediate circle of friends. If you want to get stuff solo or with one friend there are plenty of video games out there. I did 3 WoE weapons when they we're "hard." (when Woe WAS new) When the general consensus on this forum was just make an empy, its better and easier. When I had to wake up early to play with JP's because they we're the only people doing WoE. So no, bs,they we're not easier to make than your 85empy. Also if we have an influx of people like you with nearly half a dozen empys needing plates for trials more people will start spamming Qilin and such and plates will be worth selling. I stopped doing pouch VW's because 65k plates were not worth my time.

Lastly if getting your empys to 99 doesn't interest you, get a delve weapon. Though won't be long until people will be complaining they don't have time and gil to farm 30k plasm and upgrade their weapons.

actually coin was easy with the group pool before they changed to personal chest crap.

I remember those days...when people hissed at you and thought <leech> in say was going to make you go away.

you guys really going to compare 95 and 99 woe stage with 85 empy? lol. coin stage was and always was easy even before or after the update because it can drop pouche while die and residual cant and have ***drop rate too.

Maybe SE could just make Empy WS like unlocking mythic WSs, by gaining WS points, the higher level your weapon the easier it is to unlock and then they can still go ahead and boost the damage on 99s.

yeah easy if you placed in the top 5 which I normally did. But you weren't soloing or duoing your woe weapon, whereas you could your empy. Is why I laughed at how woe was harder, but the lesser weapon.

You werne't getting pouches cause no one would do woe.

I place top 3 using a damn bard lol.

I placed 1st and 2nd being pld/whm sac puller going in solo while other groups killed the stuff.

i did walk of echoes uphill both ways in the snow and all we got was black rocks as prizes!

and cursed at in japanese.

You don't need fish bot nor being an above avg player to make 50M.....you only need patience.

ahh yes i forgot the constant barrage of squigglies bein strewn about in my general direction