Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"

Leaving aside the issue that most jobs don't actually have an AHable right now, the AHables themselves are quite a lot better than even the rare/exes in most cases, so if you think even the NQs are going to be common you're kidding yourself.

the general consensus/update notes point to most or all of this ***being augmentable

yep

So your upset about having to do the same thing over and over in order to meet the "standard". LOL Welcome to MMO.

Still, nope. Go ahead and drop all of your old gear and formulate new sets for every situation using the Delve gear they just released. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Show me all of the optimal sets for all of your jobs (TP, WS, PDT/MDT, Nuking, etc.). You can include the newly released gear. But make sure none of your sets contain any pre-update gear, because it's all worthless and outdated. Yes, I'll still wait.

i'm not going to humor any of wakabos puppets, sorry

if you want to make a list of gear that will still be best in slot, be my guest.. there are pieces, but enough has been outdated to drastically lower interest in other events if delve drops are reasonable

No, welcome to every other MMO besides FFXI.

Jesus, dude, why do you think most of us are still playing this 10-year-old mediocre Everquest clone? The fast-paced combat?

Okay, I understand why some people might get upset at how their R/M/E's compare AT THIS CURRENT MOMENT. But as Punchess has been saying, and the devs have been saying, this is temporary. Now, I have read a ton about all this old content is worthless and they crapped on the all our old gear. How the heck is this derived? You are not going to play ANY job in this game without choice pieces from artifact/relic/empyrean gear. I have many jobs that have lvl 75 and up pieces to enhance my skill/job abilities/etc. I have to do old content to gear up to even FACE the mobs I want to kill to get this gear, providing a reason to do old content. And how does a new set per job erase all the multi-item gear swaps you had to collect to play your job right anyhow? Weapons do not erase all the gear to back them up, and the new gear is still on par with the scaling growth of the game since voidwatch through NNI through NeoSalvage through Adoulin. The stats are going up because the mobs are getting tougher to kill. And if the mobs are tougher, the rewards better be better! No person is going to hit 99 and then gear up adoulin only gear and take on a delve encounter. You won't win, teal didn't win in legion, adoulin town gear isn't gonna win a delve. You need sets and prowess, these are earned through previous content. Be butthurt about your weapons, FOR NOW, but the argument all previous gear is invalid is a crock. If you think that, you must not be gearing correctly. Cause i have about 60-70 items per job i play and it is most definately not all 99 gear.

~Skye

Er, okay? I hardly know Wakabo, so I have no idea what you mean by that. I could count on one hand the number of times I've spoken with/done an event with him.

And if I made a list of all gear that is best in slot for every situation, old gear would by far outnumber new pieces.

$50 says the way to update relics will be to spam delve 50 times more than it takes to get one of these new weapons to get it slightly better

What will you do when you have obtained all of the best possible gear for every job? Will you keep playing in order to obtain the shitty gear that you don't need? Or... Would you be more inclined to stop playing and breathe some fresh air or even better maybe meet someone to share your life with? Point being if SE doesn't give you something to work for then they will most likely stop getting your money. So for them it seems like a pretty simple solution. They get your money and you keep your virginity.

Should coin these next few months as the "Era of the Casuals Part 2: From Abyssea to Adoulin"

yeah those five years where hagun was the best non-relic in the game (and nobody bothered with relics) totally killed ffxi breh

(inb4 aspies miss the point and tell me ridill was better)

^ is the gospel of Altana. Read, Learn and LIve it.

pretty presumptuous, considering you don't know the augment pool, they seem to be giving you a degree of choice on the augments, and skirmish actually had completely appropriate mage augments on their weapons

- I'm not talking about myself, I'm talking about the game's potential future.

- I don't have even close to every job geared, even as is. I'm not sure how that's even relevant.

- The problem is that if the best way to obtain new gear will always be delve, then the game has become incredibly boring. You can do old content for the hell of it and get gear that goes in the trash bin or your storage, or you can do delve all day erryday to try to get new ***. Neither sounds that interesting to me.

Not even sure what people bitching about, dev says plans for r/e/m.
inc 12 pages of boo hoo, really man

You're free to not pay for it. Vote with your wallet if it bothers you that much.

I didnt think so

03-22-2013 02:36 PM [source]
Akihiko Matsui Dev Team		To all adventurers and pioneers! Level Design of Seekers of Adoulin For those players who have reached level 99, the main focus of growth is equipment. We envision a play cycle where players take on content with their current gear in order to collect equipment with better stats, and then take on more difficult content to procure even better equipment. We are currently working to make it so there is a common gauge for equipment and content (let's call it content levels for the time being), and to create index data that will allow those who are implementing equipment and content to have a more objective understanding of the equipment stats and monster strength. Ultimately I would like to be able to release information indicating the content level to all of you adventurers. While this is still in a phase where work needs to be done, I'm getting the feeling that things are coming together bit by bit. The parameters for monsters that await adventurers and pioneers have been decided by the above content levels and index data.
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Matsui's made it pretty clear that he intends to continue the pattern of obsoleting gear and (as bolded) also makes a pretty firm reference to moving to the gear-treadmill model.

In light of the new gear, it's pretty self-delusional to think anything beyond a tiny minority of pre-adoulin gear is safe.

The best gear has never come from any 1 specific place. If you are wearing all AF3 then your doing it wrong. If your wearing full Skadi+1 then you are doing it wrong. If you see someone wearing the full Ogiers set and they aren't out of MP then they are doing it wrong. No one set is optimal but mix and match and you can become optimal. All of the Delve gear isn't going to be optimal. Sure some of it will be better and replace some current stuff but not all of it will.

Just staring at the list of new gear, not doing any spreadsheet work of any kind. Essentially every piece of old SMN gear (apart from maybe that new Bowkus head for magic nukes) is best in slot. All old PDT gear, as far as I can see, remains best in slot. I only see one BRD-specific piece of gear, so it stands to reason that most of their old gear remains best in slot. The new TP head piece looks pretty good, but it's still lacking STP, and unless I can replace pieces elsewhere to make up for that, it's not better than my NNI head piece for DRG. My old TP body is also better than the body listed, for DRG. I don't see a replacement for my TP legs. I could replace ONE of my rings. The new TP feet are inferior to my DRG AF3+2. I suppose the STP means I could replace my NNI head with the new head, but the overall result would probably be a side-grade. I'm REALLY not seeing a lot that "replaces" my old gear. And I could tell all of that just by LOOKING at it. I can see good augments making some of the pieces better, but I'm really not seeing anything to replace full sets. At all. Period. Most of those "sets" are not even sets. The mage pieces look like they suit a specific mage, but not others. The gloves open up other options for healing potentially, but I see nothing else that makes old healing gear inferior.

In regards to this system, the outline has been finished; however, we have yet to test if what we have planned can be realized and if we can secure the proper amount of manpower to continue it. We are at a point in time right now where it's difficult to explain the details, so please allow us to discuss this another day.


This is my issue with it; there is a lot of IF in his statement. Could be mis-translation but to me he's saying we still have to see IF we can even do the upgrades the way we want and IF we have enough manpower to do so. This doesn't give me a sense of security that the Amano I'm near completing is going to be worth anything.

I love my kannagi I have workwd hard for it and I will take it 2 99 only need 1200 more heavy metal plates

could you share some of the augments with us i'm really curious what they might be

Share with me the part where, even augmented, this gear replaces EVERY piece of gear you own. Please. Every piece of gear? Really? Really now. Show me how AUGMENTS are going to somehow turn that gear into a full healing set for my WHM. There is ONE DD ring. Show me how that one ring makes it possible for me to drop the 4+ that I currently use on my Dragoon. You have yet to say much of anything to me that actually validates anything you are saying. Saying that ALL GEAR is outdated is a large statement. Back it up. I'm not saying there are no upgrades, I'm saying "ALL old gear is outdated" is a ridiculous statement.

Yes, it's all safe, that was clearly the last adoulin-related gear pack that is being released.

Nobody is arguing about the future of potential gear. If people seriously want to argue that there's something wrong with gear being outdated EVENTUALLY, in the FUTURE... Give me a break. If you think it's a problem that 90%+ of gear will SOMEDAY be outdated, you shouldn't be playing an MMO. I'm not arguing that none of this new gear is superior. But there's some serious delusion going on if people think that the gear just released invalidates every single thing that you own.

Are we seriously making arguments about gear states with WHM and SMN gear

You're focusing too much on ALL. There is gear that will not be replaced yet. You are correct on that point. However, you're missing the bigger picture.

FFXI's strong point was that it made heavy use of gear from all the content it accumulated over the past 10 years. That made it truly difficult to cap out on everything you'd like. If you obsolete a large portion of it, you are cutting out those events.

The things Delve doesn't replace will likely be replaced in whatever comes next. That leaves you with 2 relevant endgame activities, instead of a dozen. This is what every new MMO that gets released does. They all fizzle and die: older MMOs have staying power because they stayed alive long enough to accumulate the wealth of content that they have. If you take that away, FFXI becomes universally inferior to it's competitors.

SE has outright said this is the model they are trying to adopt. They're trying to be a modern MMO, but that's not what FFXI has always been. It doesn't have the capability to draw in large amounts of new players, most of the players that this disenfranchises aren't going to be replaced.

I saw the base dmg on the new weapons and it made me flaccid thinking about my empys =(