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 Asura.Ccl
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-05-27 12:48:16
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pchan said: »
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I cant even kill t4 or t5 NMs but hold on let me talk about things i don't know.
pretty accurate.
Inbefore you go pld to delve and think you are tough ***. I've 6 manned all KI mnk,mnk,thf or mnk, brd, whmx2 just fine with rank 15 on all relevant pieces. Only reason pld is still required for boss is that those attempting it are still far from r15 on all their delve equip or weapon. Once this is done I dont see how how a job that caps acc and 2600 hp would not do the job.

Wait; are you suggesting using to bring mnk to tojil and you don't see why mnk couldn't tank it and dmg it ?
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-05-27 13:01:41
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Asura.Ccl said: »
pchan said: »
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pchan said: »
I cant even kill t4 or t5 NMs but hold on let me talk about things i don't know.
pretty accurate.
Inbefore you go pld to delve and think you are tough ***. I've 6 manned all KI mnk,mnk,thf or mnk, brd, whmx2 just fine with rank 15 on all relevant pieces. Only reason pld is still required for boss is that those attempting it are still far from r15 on all their delve equip or weapon. Once this is done I dont see how how a job that caps acc and 2600 hp would not do the job.

Wait; are you suggesting using to bring mnk to tojil and you don't see why mnk couldn't tank it and dmg it ?


Chanclan is pissed the best MNK weapon (currently) comes from Relevant content that he can't 6man. MNK is not a good Tojil tank for extremely obvious reasons.
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By pchan 2013-05-27 14:51:37
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Bg is currently full of gimps that think delve is hard content. First post on the delve thread is self explanitory : "we are back to PLD tanking and hard content guyz". No really, when Ig-alima tiers were released you all were explaining seriously that SE finally released hard content that your local PUG group would not achieve. I'm telling you seriously that atm almost all if not all delve-pre-boss content is 6-mannable. For boss it's going to be a question of time before it's doable in a pug. Just enough time for almost all player to have decently upgraded delve gear. Something that your groups clearly did not achieve.
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-05-27 14:58:46
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Instead of rank15 your stuff, should have bough tojil win to get oatixur no?
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By pchan 2013-05-27 15:01:55
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So I suppose this means you kill delve bosses with gimp rangers ?
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By Leviathan.Kaparu 2013-05-27 15:02:19
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Chan Wars III: Revenge of the Mad
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By Asura.Gabba 2013-05-27 15:04:13
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pchan said: »
Asura.Natenn said: »
pchan said: »
I cant even kill t4 or t5 NMs but hold on let me talk about things i don't know.
pretty accurate.
Inbefore you go pld to delve and think you are tough ***. I've 6 manned all KI mnk,mnk,thf or mnk, brd, whmx2 just fine with rank 15 on all relevant pieces.

lol... suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure... sometimes Is good to read pchan, coz he makes your day.
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By Leviathan.Kaparu 2013-05-27 15:05:32
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^In his defense, I'm sure he has successfully 6-manned everything he claims to have

Pchan's actually not stupid, don't know why he insists on acting totes crayons all the time
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-05-27 15:11:58
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pchan said: »
So I suppose this means you kill delve bosses with gimp rangers ?

Well we do kill it, can come to asura if you want buy Oatixur(serious offer).
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By pchan 2013-05-27 16:05:29
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Will you gimp buy moar gimplics instead of delve wpns or airlixirs with the gil ?
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-05-27 16:12:56
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How do you buy delve weapon with gil? Did I miss something ?


Edit: you can even bring your mnk and your own whm and brd, if you win parse not only you'll get KI for free, but we'll pay you.
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By Bismarck.Raistlinratt 2013-05-27 16:14:37
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buy shards and eat them for points until you get enough? This doesn't solve the problem of getting the clear, but pchan 6mans everything anyways so the clears are NP for him
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By Lakshmi.Bladewing 2013-05-28 15:41:43
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When you take Tenru+1(aug) out of this set it is not the best when I used the spreadsheets (using - Chapuli(100)/RCB/Imp/Focus/Haste)


ItemSet 291929

Unless I missed something would this be the next best set assuming no access to Tenru+1 items?

ItemSet 78358

What suggestions? Assume legs are rank 2 for now, they are actually higher but not 15 as of yet.
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By pchan 2013-05-28 17:26:16
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You should check your gear against the raptor NM stats (730+ evasion). Even for ceizak plasm famring you need to pack acc gear.
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By Lakshmi.Bladewing 2013-05-28 17:48:46
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I am looking for outside delve for now, I have an ACC set that is different

ItemSet 302433

this is what I am running right now and have no problems hitting. what I am looking for is for outside delve in the sets in my op.
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By Asura.Natenn 2013-05-28 19:22:42
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pchan said: »
Bg is currently full of gimps that think delve is hard content. First post on the delve thread is self explanitory : "we are back to PLD tanking and hard content guyz". No really, when Ig-alima tiers were released you all were explaining seriously that SE finally released hard content that your local PUG group would not achieve. I'm telling you seriously that atm almost all if not all delve-pre-boss content is 6-mannable. For boss it's going to be a question of time before it's doable in a pug. Just enough time for almost all player to have decently upgraded delve gear. Something that your groups clearly did not achieve.
no one likes you cept 1 person you duo 3 box everything with. sit your jabrony *** down you slob.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2013-05-28 19:44:02
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Pchan, go make a blog or something.

Prior to obtaining the new gear and weapons, Delve NMs were pretty challenging, enough so to the point where a Paladin was a smart choice. Furthermore, not knowing tricks made mobs more difficult to kill (and previously caused rage), necessitating consistent damage methods.
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By Asura.Jem 2013-05-28 19:57:22
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pchan said: »
So I suppose this means you kill delve bosses with gimp rangers ?





So whilst our gimp RNG's will be rocking Oatixur on their mannequins, your gimp MNK doesn't even have them.

I'm half tempted to go buy them for my level 18 MNK.
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By pchan 2013-05-29 06:17:52
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So this confirms that Natenn goes pld, and therefore that he thinks tier 3 and 4 junk are hard impossible to tank without pld ? 12 pimp is always better than 18 gimp think about it. I give it 2 month before I 6 man it !
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By pchan 2013-05-29 06:19:04
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Fenrir.Jinjo said: »
Pchan, go make a blog or something.

Prior to obtaining the new gear and weapons, Delve NMs were pretty challenging, enough so to the point where a Paladin was a smart choice. Furthermore, not knowing tricks made mobs more difficult to kill (and previously caused rage), necessitating consistent damage methods.

I think their group explicitely commented on BG that the scorpion is the hardest mob they have ever fought. It gives you some idea on why you shouldn't consider their opinions as fact. The fact is their RNGs are gimps because noone likes the job so I seriously doubt any of them has fully upgraded RNG gear or wpn. As a consequence they require to pack a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE amount of buff to kill a pussy NM (which is easily MNK tankable in wildkeepers reives). Also a LS that wastes so much time farming beads will likely have very little DDs with fully upgraded wpns so it makes sense. Considering a MNK probably does 2 or 3 x more dmg than a RNG and that it can tank or DD more efficiently, you can remove half of the RNG from their ally and replace the remaining ones with MNKs as well as removes 1 BRD 1 cor and 2 plds. Let me guess ? 9 ppl remaining ?
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-05-29 06:21:16
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pchan said: »
So this confirms that Natenn goes pld, and therefore that he thinks tier 3 and 4 junk are hard impossible to tank without pld ? 12 pimp is always better than 18 gimp think about it. I give it 2 month before I 6 man it !

Why are you not responding to my free oatixur+ we pay you offer since our setup is gimp and mnk can do better ?

And yeah bringing paladin to boss mean we bring paladin to T3 rofl, I hope you like your rank 15 rigor!
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By pchan 2013-05-29 06:26:53
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Natenn did a not so smart *** comment a few posts ago claiming that I can't tank tier III or IV NMs on mnks. That's what the sentence you quoted is referring to. As supspected he goes pld to the boss, so his comment likely means he thinks tier III and IV are hardz. If we follow the devs scale on mobs, they said tier 5 mobs are level 15 difficulty while boss are level 20, so we can expect 33% more evasion, meaning as simple capped delve gear set paired with sushi and madrigals from a a real bard will cap your acc.
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-05-29 06:30:29
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We farm plasm killing T5 under 3min about 14500 plasm/h/char everyone leaving with a ton of airlixir(+1) so yeah.


ps: you don't want to come to asura to show us how to beat the game on mnk and get free oatixur/gil?
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By Bismarck.Baalthus 2013-05-29 07:24:21
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pchan said: »
So this confirms that Natenn goes pld, and therefore that he thinks tier 3 and 4 junk are hard impossible to tank without pld ? 12 pimp is always better than 18 gimp think about it. I give it 2 month before I 6 man it !

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By Asura.Jem 2013-05-29 07:38:30
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We don't take any PLD's for TI-V. We can clear all 5 inside Fracture with bags of times to spare which shows how easy they are (EDIT: All 5 in the same run for clarification)

All our RNG's have had Yoichi / Anni for a long, long time despite RNG not being all that useful for older content so I wouldn't say they don't like the job.

We never said Scorp was the hardest NM we've ever fought. We said it was the hardest NM in that path. There is a pretty substantial difference. He's not a difficult mob, he's just annoying and more time consuming than the others as you can't kill it every pop in 4-8 mins as sometimes he will be a *** dragging out the kill time.

As for capping Acc. I had ~860 total Acc which converted into 57% Acc against Muyingwa as a rough example. That same total does just about cap for Tojil though. These mobs are not comparable to their Wildskeeper version, they have different stats/behavior.



We've made you a serious offer. Bring your own WHM, we'll buff your MNK just as much as our RNG's and if you can out damage them then we'll give you an Oatixur for free plus pay you out on the S/S. It's hardly a bad offer, we're basically offering you 60m if you can prove us wrong (~35m from S/S + Plasm, Oatixur is ~25m worth of Plasm).

Either prove us wrong by killing the bosses yourself or prove us wrong by coming along on one of our runs. Until you have done either of them, you have no room to call us gimp when you're using R15 Rigors whilst we have the superior Boss weapons.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-29 08:32:05
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pchan said: »
So this confirms that Natenn goes pld, and therefore that he thinks tier 3 and 4 junk are hard impossible to tank without pld ? 12 pimp is always better than 18 gimp think about it. I give it 2 month before I 6 man it !
July 29 deadline for pchan to 6-men Tojil.
Place bets now! Will he succeed?
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By kenshynofshiva 2013-05-29 08:47:39
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When is the update early july? The devs hear all the crying and nerf the fights so yeah he got this in for 1 gil.
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By Lakshmi.Bladewing 2013-05-29 10:51:45
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what the hell has this thread turned into...
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-05-29 11:04:03
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Lakshmi.Bladewing said: »
what the hell has this thread turned into...

An old fashioned pissing contest!
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 Asura.Jem
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By Asura.Jem 2013-05-29 11:18:08
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From my POV it's not really a pissing contest. I just find it silly that Pchan is calling us gimps despite us actually being able to kill the boss and having better weapon access than him.

We know full well he isn't remotely gimp even without Oatixur but we also know what does and does not work on the Delve bosses with current strategies. I know Ccl said we don't take MNK's to bosses but we did actually take a MNK to our dry run on Bee.


I'd never just go 'lol you guys are gimp because you don't have Oatixur' unprovoked.
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