For The Shinies! A Guide For Thief

As I recall, evis hits stop if it's already enough to kill the mob, which is why your evis damage is well under your rudra damage. That's why you need a mob that you can beat on for an extended amount of time for this kind of test.

If you want to calculate damage the mathy way, we can do that too.

total damage = ((dmg + fstr + wsc) * fTP) * pdif

For Rudra (Aeneas/Twashtar)

Main hand
= (140 + 23 + (.8*444)) * 8.75
= 4532
= 4532 * 1.32 (+wsdmg)
= 5982
Offhand
= (140 + 23 + (.8*444))
= 518
Total
= 6500
= 6500 * 3.85 (pdif)
= 25025

Evis (Kaja/Twashtar)

Mainhand
= 117 + 21 + (449 * .5) * 1.45
= 525.62
= 525.62 * 5 (5 hits)
= 2625
Offhand
= 117 + 21 + (449 * .5)
= 362
Total
= 2987

= (2987 * 4.85 * 1.47 * .63) (crit) + (2987 * 3.85 * 1 * .53) (non-crit)
= 13416 + 6094
= 19510
= 19510 * 1.5 (kaja bonus)
= 29265

Don't take that as set in stone. I can wake up tomorrow, do the same calculations again and get slightly different answers. Though, I've done this calculations a few times and I always get the same outcome. Evis was never close to Rudra pre-Kaja. It always bugged me to hear people say that, since neither the math or numerous tests I've done showed that. Evis does pull ahead now though, with the new dagger, and both my math and my practical test (on Tax'et) shows that. Aeneas is a better dagger though, with higher dmg and store tp+10, so that closes the gap between them.

It's nice when practical tests and theoretical calculations line up like this.

this is a bit off. 63 and 53 don't equal 100, I assume those should be your rates, at least. also, where are you getting 3.85 pdif from? it's certainly not an average, it's almost max roll with neck and it looks like you're using fotia in the previous bit.

What impact does thf's base rate of triple attack (19%) affect the numbers at all? Evisceration can only at most get 2 extra attacks, but Rudra's can get 4. I know it's not a major portion of the damage, but at your cRatio it's also not insignificant. (Favors: ??, evisceration set has TA in the set, so more chance of max swings, rudra's can get more hits.)

I get 49% crit damage with SimonSes' evisceration set on master thf, not 47%

How/Why do you have weapons in a thf gearswap?

Are you sure it's not using kaja knife at all? is it never equipping it, or is it arguing with itself from idle sets. I'm using it without any errors... but I don't put weapons in mine, no point. If I'm using Vajra or Aeneas or Kaja I put it on myself and leave gs weapon slots blank for thf.

Agreed I never put them in the lua for any job due to so many situations. Can’t image anything more annoying then losing tp

How/Why do you have weapons in a thf gearswap?

Only thing thats useful for is hitting it accidentally and losing tp, the same reason you don't macro 2hours.

Kupowers, perhaps?

Snapster wrote: The name doesn't matter when it comes to items. Each Twashtar has a different item ID, as do the ambuscade weapons.

Regardless, non-afterglowed ilvl 119 Twashtar would only have 20 DEX, which a perfect Taming Sari beats.

Hey guys, I hope you are having a good weekend.

I am also curious about Tauret.

I know there was a lot of debate on the "Best" 2 daggers, and a lot of the discussion was about on certain situations/mobs.

I know that it seems to be accepted that R15 Twatsmasher and Perfect Taming and/or TP Bonus Dagger off hand is up there as the best, if not 1 of the best options. And I remember there being talk before the update how the next update of the Ambu Dagger would more than likely beat Taming/TP Bonus dagger off hand with R15 Twatsmasher main.

Has anyone tested and is this the case?

If so/not, what are a couple of the BiS for main/offhand Dagger options now?

Thanks in advance!