[Dev] BST: TH+ Equipment Will Not Come

Where exactly was the promise of Pet:TH+ gear? I dont see "we promise to add pet:TH+ gear in the future", in fact I dont see the word future in there either.

They nerfed TH on those pets, assessed the results, and determined theres no need to add Pet:TH+ items. Considering that plenty of bst's were telling everyone else to stop whining since their dynamis yields were marginally lower with TH1 then with TH3.

Is a promise, it wasn't a case of "We might add" it was a statement that this was the done deal. You simply can't use the argument they never expressly stated it was "a promise"

SE cant promise anything.... It's a birth defect~

um real bsts are up in there wrecking ***with their pets not afk lol those things in dyna for the most part are somethin else

That's what you call a promise?

Once again, original plan:
"nerf pet TH to 1, lets see what happens, if its worse and a lot of people complain, we can include pet:TH+ gear"

What happened:
Perle bst community: WAHHHHH MY CURRENCY COUNTS ARE DOWN WAHHHHH IM ONLY PULLING IN 110 instead of 140
not-perle bst community: shut up, you're a disgrace to this job everyone already spits on. If you bothered to do more than just use AH axes and perle garbage, you'd be pulling in more than that. My averages went from 210 to 190, no big deal.
SE: Well thats that, nothing to change at this point.



I'm going to write something, in the very same manner SE did:
Oh, you're thirsty? If you drink water, you can quench your thirst.
Is there a promise in there that I've give you water? Not at all.

SE planned to nerf pet TH, and then left the door open to see what happens. Nothing more.

You're now speaking for SE with no valid proof, the word Promise does not need to be said to promise something.

If I said to you: "I'm going to Work tomorrow." then that is a statement, and therefore a promise.

If I however said to you: "I might go to work tomorrow." the I'm making it optional and therefore neither a promise nor a lie.

What SE did was state something as a fact (promise) then denied doing so (lying)

I personally am not all that fussed, but what SE did was lie end of.

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Ultimately: you're arguing in favor for a company to advertise something on a box, and then not include it.

Pets should never have had THIII in the first place and Pet: TH+ gear was a stupid idea to begin with.

There's nothing to see here.

THF should have more to it than just TH, that way TH3 on a high-priced THF pet having it's Job Traits wouldn't have impacted it so much.

Show me on the doll where the bad BSTie touched you. I'll turn the doll around if that's necessary.

TH on pets had/has no impact on THF.

TH on THF was what the Japanese used repeatedly to get the change added, Dynamis just helped it.

Rather than fix THF they nerfed BST.

Glad SE saw sense with this one, no need for anyone but THF to be TH.

not only that, but after 50 bsts bully you out of a camp by hoarding all of the mobs, the 51st bst wont get any respect. so the lack of respect the polite bsts get is due to the hundreds of *** bsts

You guys keep bringing up BST bullying people out of camps as if the issue isn't the overall lack of camps in Dynamis on the whole rather than the one job holding mobs that you can easily peel off them if its yellow and they're being a ***.

Instead of nerfs that do nothing than limit playstyles and punish players for enjoying a job they may/may not like how about improvements like fixing Cactuars/Urugnites, making cities viable and lowering the strength of beastmen monsters?

Dynamis is a HUGE place yet the farming boils down to a handful of monsters why? Does it seem balanced to have CoP be a place with TEs that have little/no protection while an entire zones - Jeuno/Windy - have Gobs/Yagudo skullfucking the TEs? Not to mention all cities have mobs guarding their respective TEs to some degree?

Stop asking for nerfs and start asking for fixes.

Hate the player, not the job.

He asked people to explain why we hate BST in dynamis and I gave my opinion, that's all.

I don't hate BST, I like the job honestly. That is why I'm upset I have to avoid it in dynamis.

Even if its the result of there being not enough camps, not enough mobs and too long of a respawn time. the fact is that other jobs take 1 or 2 mobs where most bsts will take 5 (not all so dont complain) but it got to the point where if there were only 4 people in a zone and all 4 of them were bsts, it was pointless to go in until i decided to start farming the DC mobs because those same bsts are too much of sissies to go there.

Personally, I've found that groups are more inconsiderate than single BSTs. I have 2 at a time, and usually that's only after a proc and my first is almost dead. The only time I ever have more than that is when I get unintentional aggro, or a bad pull. I let my pet finish it while I seek my next target. Cutting corners to save time, etc. The groups on the other hand literally grab half the mobs, proc them down a line with 2 DNCs, and then kill them with SAMs etc. It all boils down to respect - but these are mules and JPs and opportunists (BSTs and groups alike), they don't respect you any farther than they can use you most the time. -shrug- Different strokes for different folks.

I am honestly surprised that someone considered asking some TH gears for BST O.o

I just....yeah, well I agree with SE decision about this.I thought they were already pretty generous to give them a TH pet after all these years.

^ definately, once or twice in qufim i was run out of the entire DC tunnel by a group. but because the other DC mobs are unrealistic, and the EP camps were full of bsts, i had to resort to WS proccing DC mobs

Groups did not give BST a bad name, but they have just as bad of a reputation in dynamis as BST does.

Somewhere along the line enough BSTs pissed off enough people for this to happen.

FFXI's community made people in this game ruthless. It was no different in Abyssea. No courtesy was given 9 out of 10 times. It's just that since there was one job primarily in Dynamis, it took all the flak. Doesn't help that it's a convoluted mess of angst, butt-hurt, and general concern.

i also never understood parties that stuck to EP camps. if you have the killspeed, the DC camps are way better and less troublesome to others

Your lack of intelligence is showing.

Its been documented and proven via parses that once you hit TH3, the drop rate bonuses from additional TH start to diminish. I'm not saying that TH4+ is useless like you may seem to perceive for the sake of arguing yourself into a brick wall, but its notable effect becomes less and less prevalent. It was nerfed because a BST with a thief pet could have pretty much the same drop rates as a lv99 thief.

If you dont see why thats a problem, then I suggest you drag your *** to the thf boards on the official forums and read how many times SE has stated they refuse to give THF any kind of offensive bonuses because they already have "a very overpowering treasure hunter effect".

And incase you're wondering, no one cares about rng getting Bounty Shot. The job has 0 solo capability on top of the fact Bounty Shot consumes ammo (not a big deal, carry wooden arrows), and can miss entirely (though usually it doesnt miss until you start trying for past 4).

I wonder if they'll address this again as it seems they did flat out lie. If they do, I'm guessing they will claim some bullbird about "translation error".

That's a prejudiced comment. "I personally find that most <group of people> are <negative stereotype>." It's no different than when someone says most JP players are stuck-up and xenophobic or most NA are selfish and obnoxious. None of these things are even remotely true or provable. Anecdotes don't count.


This is not unique to BST or Dynamis. Until SE implements instancing there's always going to be someone out there that wants to fight the same thing you want to at the same time and gets in your way. I've had parties get in the way of parties and alliances get in the way of alliances before. People used to hi-jack Dynamis zones or spam their way into battlefields. I've been on BST and had people on other jobs step on my toes. Should I develop a prejudice against anyone who plays that job and be happy when their job takes a hit? Of course not. I would feel incredibly stupid for doing so.


Add one more to your list then. I'm too nice for my own good more often than not whether I'm on BST or another job, solo or in a group. Heck, I don't even DO Dynamis on any sort of regular basis on my BST which is perfectly capable of doing so. Why? Too much damn conflict even though I only play nice.


Look, if someone is camping mobs, they think they own all the mobs of that type in the area. I've never seen anyone act any differently no matter what job they were on or whether they were solo or grouped. People tend to have the same mentality as they do with XP camps. Everything that lies before them is theirs. Take one mob and bad feelings pop up. Now not everyone acts on those feelings, but they do emerge.


Your problem isn't with BSTs, it's with specific individuals with selfish mindsets.

Considering I've seen every job capable of doing this doing the exact same thing is Dynamis I cannot really buy this at all. I've had people follow me around and hassle me on the mobs on my BST just as much as the other way around regardless of how little I leave people alone even though I'm no Perle BST by a long shot. People in our community generally tend to be jerks, that's a pretty accepted fact regardless of the job there using. The only thing that really makes any of this matter at all is BST is easy to use for the purpose in Dynamis which is why it's been bandwagoned there and why there are so many of them. Generally bandwagoned jobs for any situation tend to create these kind of inviduals almost universally.

I like BST fine, but the majority players that I've seen using BST in dynamis do what I explained before. When I say the majority of BST's in dynamis are rude, it means the players. How can BST be rude?

If you don't act that way, then good. At least some BST's are trying. I personally have yet to see very many try, like I said before. If more want to start trying I'll welcome them too, but far too many players have destroyed the image of BST for me in dynamis, so I avoid them most of the time because I just don't want to deal with it.

08-02-2012 02:26 PM [source]
Camate Community Rep		Greetings, Please understand that the original message that I posted was not intended as a guarantee that we will be adding this kind of gear in the future. This was meant to only be an example of how the pet’s Treasure Hunter could be enhanced to a higher level. While this does not rule out any possibility of adding equipment like this in the future, it was never a promise that it would be implemented.
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