[Dev] BST: TH+ Equipment Will Not Come

Charm: Allows you to command the monster, let it pick its target, let it do TP moves, can have it leave without turning its attention to you, etc etc etc
Virelai: follows you around for 30 seconds assisting you, there are ZERO pet commands

If you dont see how thats different in every way, then fkn wow.

no, other ja and pet commands let you do the above mentioned things charm only allows you to charm

Wow...you've gone past trolling, you're hit full retard.

bst charm and virelai are clearly the same because they both let you charm mobs, the fact bst's have almost full control over them and virelai gives you a mindless zombie who follows you around for 30 seconds is completely irrelevant.

so if i hit my charm macro and no other it commands the pet to do all the other things you mentioned? i dont remember saying virelai was like /pet "fight" <t> i remember saying it was charm

Since you're being dense here you go.
Charm effect lasts 90 seconds to 3 minutes (Tough to Easy Prey) (I don't remember the times for VT and IT charmed mobs sorry)
Virelai effect lasts 30 seconds (40 with Cythara Anglica +1)

*Kalilla charms the Mandragora with Virelai*

Mandragora: "braainnnnnsss…"

yes but i was pointing out that another job had the ability to charm not the ability to command once charmed nothing more nothing less

so again how am i wrong

Yeah, but did they Promise that THF has reached their offensive cap?

I remember being pissed when I first started the game as BLM. I had finally reached the level to use warp and then found out everyone could just pull out a fricken instant scroll of warp and do the exact same thing I was doing.

Then I realized it didn't really matter and I was a lot happier. One day you'll get there too.

if i hit charm and no other ja or pet commands guess what the pet i have does

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/11492-Screwed-again-Proposed-THF-job-adjustments.?p=153704&viewfull=1#post153704

Playerbase question: Add Subtle Blow to thief.
Dev reply: Due to the fact that normal attacks now increase the effects of Treasure Hunter, we chose to forgo the addition of Subtle Blow as a trade off.

They refuse to consider giving a native subtle blow trait because of fkn treasure hunter...its not even an offensive trait.

meanwhile dnc gets all kind of goodies: evasion bonus, accuracy bonus, higher DW (though it was nice for SE to finally give THF that one, but it was honestly due), subtle blow, skillchain bonus, ability to force crit their own WS's...etc etc

do i need to post a video of me using charm and me using virelai to demonstrate?

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

nope

Go ahead make sure you make each one at least 90 seconds and then come back trying to pitch they are exactly the same.

i compared virelai to charm not virelai to charm+pet commands+other ja

I didn't see a promise in there just more words from the same community rep that said bst would get pet: treasure hunter gear. Keep the hope alive!

That was the initial complaisant though...with EVERYTHING bst has (NOT JUST CHARM) being offered away. My original one wasnt even about charm, it was about jugs being given away. Who actually charms stuff these days?

why? i never argued that the duration was the same only the fact that the act of charming is the only thing the ja/spell does

i charm stuff these days because charming is a lot more fun when it is an option

Except they never said that. You inferred it on the basis that they mentioned being able to equip Pet:TH+ gear and since it doesnt exist, they have to now make it.

The idea that "SE only mentioned that incase the drop in TH is going to be too drastic, they want to be able to give people a chance to upgrade it if they're serious about it" is clearly absurd. But the serious bsts said "stfu perle douchebags, nothings wrong" and SE said "nothings wrong"

Honestly, after all the stupid stuff SE has pulled in the past 10 years, you're really holding onto the mention of pet:TH+ gear as fact and NOW SE is shady?

I guess driving stick and automatic is the same too: you get in a car and zoom away.

Could we please stop discussing the differences between what charm does and what virelai does ~.~ it doesn't deserve 2 pages… or even a single post. >.>

Brainjack's better anyway~

No control over the pet, walking zombie, pet's health decreases over time.. o.o;

Lets break it down.

1. Do you think there is Pet: TH+ gear hidden in the game at this moment?

:P

well by your logic driving manual would be driving where as driving automatic would be an entirely different act that is not driving

I'm done with you, its like talking to a brick wall.

Its been posted in the thread, it doesnt exist. Its not in the dats of possible augments (I'm not explaining again why this is relevant), and its not on any visible piece of gear.

So if we all agree it doesn't exist now, how are we supposed to use it unless they add it? I mean why even mention Pet: TH+ gear (something we've never seen before) unless you are planning on adding it? I really don't understand how you can say they never said they were going to add Pet: TH+ gear when this is what they said:

"These pets will have a base of Treasure Hunter I, but by using equipment that has “Pet: Treasure Hunter +” the effect will become stronger."

The mention of Pet: TH+ gear is in the same sentence ... The first part they followed through on the second part they said never happened. Lets reword the sentence to have an effect on another job.

"Thf will have a base dual wield of Dual Wield 1, but by using equipment that has "Dagger Delay Reduction" the effect will become stronger."

You wouldn't expect them to add gear with those stats to do what they suggest?