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A Scholar's Education (Guide)
By SimonSes 2020-05-05 05:37:47
So this has answered some questions, but not all. The other question I am not sure about is this:
Is it worth using Arbatel Loafers +1 for Magic bursting on Helix or would it be better to use Magic burst bonus in that slot and use Daybreak/Ammurapi?
If you are /nin like in this solo Genbu video, then by far the best helix setup is Daybreak/Maxentius.
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By Asura.Shiraj 2020-05-05 05:50:13
If you are /nin like in this solo Genbu video, then by far the best helix setup is Daybreak/Maxentius.
I never optimised my set for the Genbu solo with /nin if I'm honest. I just got the idea to do it and attempted it. I even forgot to enable my Idle PDT set incase anything went south. But yeah, that would be a massive improvement,
By geigei 2020-05-05 06:22:41
Is it worth using Arbatel Loafers +1 Yes, is huge dmg boost.
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By Asura.Shiraj 2020-05-05 06:26:57
Is it worth using Arbatel Loafers +1 Yes, is huge dmg boost.
Main reason I ask is cos I see a lot of people don't include them in their set and base their set around the magic burst bonus from the feet.
By geigei 2020-05-05 06:35:03
I have the rule made but often i forget to klimaform.
I also run 3 geo with my sch so mab/macc is not an issue, i value more the straight dmg increase than w/e i have on merlinic.
By Pantafernando 2020-05-05 06:44:15
Well it really will depend on your other pieces.
What set aee you thinking in making those swap?
I just can imagine it worth (and debatable) if you are already capping MB1 and have very high MAB for it to be worth. Otherwise, for a low MAB set, Amalric +1 with +60 mab seems promising(a quick math says a set with 400 mab will sew the extra 60 from amalric a boost of 15%), if you lack MB, merlinic extra 10 MB will most likely beat arbatel. Finally you also have the Jhakri, with MB, MAB and extra macc.
IMO, the lack of MAB in Arbatel Loafer makes it very niche piece. Maybe with empy +2/3 it will pull ahead other options, or if we start getting gears with a lot of MAB and MB in other slots, but atm, my sets struggle to even fit MB stat in those pieces without sacrificing a lot of MAB.
By geigei 2020-05-05 06:48:45
For soloing high lv targets, merlinic probably better yea.
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By Asura.Shiraj 2020-05-05 06:51:38
IMO, the lack of MAB in Arbatel Loafer makes it very niche piece.
I don't nuke in Arbatel feet for anything except Magic burst tbh. Cos the +15% damage is definitely noticable for a Fire 5 MB for example, I'm just really unsure if it's worth it for helix or not. Since helix only gets around 10k~ so
By geigei 2020-05-05 06:55:51
Did a few genbu with geo's yesterday and ionohelix land for 20k, a bit overkill.
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By Asura.Shiraj 2020-05-05 06:57:49
Did a few genbu with geo's yesterday and ionohelix land for 20k, a bit overkill.
Yeah with any support like GEO, Helix do a lot of damage.
The reason I'm optimising for soloing is cos I do a few videos now and then, and if I post any videos including of me multiboxing that means people will complain saying they can't replicate it.
So even though I have a GEO mule, I try hit limits without using any mules for that reason. Hence the 10k~ on most mobs.
By Pantafernando 2020-05-05 07:02:30
Well, if we are talking in bursting a helix, im sure our most powerful helix atm should be Luminohelox with daybreak thus you really gonna need to make up 30% MB in body, legs, feet, rings and ear.
Cutting the feet for arbatel, just leaves merlinic legs and bpdy with MB10 each, CoP earring and mujin band.
That should be one set i can imagine benefiting from arbatel, but gonna need to test if +15% dmg makes up for all MAB given up not just in the feet slots but also ring/ear (and a bit more in body or legs)
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By Asura.Shiraj 2020-05-05 07:05:32
im sure our most powerful helix atm should be Luminohelox
What mobs would bursting Luminohelix be viable? I've only ever used it when in a group and we make light skillchains and bursted from a multistep.
I've tried it a few times bursting from a Fusion, but maybe the mob resisted Light, but it just never beat other options, idk.
Edit:
I should state this is with Daybreak. I'll try use it more often and see what mobs resist light and whatnot.
By geigei 2020-05-05 07:06:04
I try hit limits without using any mules for that reason. Then try both, i'm curious too if arbatel is better on high lv stuff.
By Pantafernando 2020-05-05 07:12:07
im sure our most powerful helix atm should be Luminohelox
What mobs would bursting Luminohelix be viable? I've only ever used it when in a group and we make light skillchains and bursted from a multistep.
I've tried it a few times bursting from a Fusion, but maybe the mob resisted Light, but it just never beat other options, idk.
In dyna div, the double dark weather can reduce light dmg accuracy and dmg. But i dont think there is a noticeable bias to light resistance for mobs in general, need to check each one of them.
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By Asura.Sechs 2020-05-05 07:14:52
Isn't the double dark weather ignored if you have any type of weather on you? Namely Aurorastorm2?
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By geigei 2020-05-05 07:21:05
Isn't the double dark weather ignored if you have any type of weather on you? Namely Aurorastorm2? Yea.
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By Sehrahin 2020-05-05 17:11:03
Coming back to the game after a break and looking through my gearsets, I seem to own a Fenrir ring +1 and I can't remember why this was good 4 years ago.. Do people still use it on SCH or is it just for CORs now?
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By Asura.Laboob 2020-05-16 04:32:55
I don't think lilith and helix is the corect way to test this, it should be easier on something lower lv, with a nuke and just adding/removing something like 5% ring mb1.
i'll test it when i have the chance.
I don't agree with your testing assertion, as Lilith on Easy is only around i-level ~124 technically. Anyway, for sake of clarity, this is what Helix set is now:
Code xml
<set name="Helix">
<main augment="D20976951840516">Akademos</main>
<sub>Enki Strap</sub>
<ammo>Pemphredo Tathlum</ammo>
<head augment="M1442">Peda. M.Board +3</head>
<body augment="D20976940633860">Amalric Doublet +1</body>
<hands augment="D20976940616643">Amalric Gages +1</hands>
<legs augment="D20976940633860">Amalric Slops +1</legs>
<feet>Jhakri Pigaches +2</feet>
<neck augment="O3728797073408218">Argute Stole +2</neck>
<waist>Hachirin-no-Obi</waist>
<ear1>Malignance Earring</ear1>
<ear2>Regal Earring</ear2>
<ring1>Freke Ring</ring1>
<ring2>Mujin Band</ring2>
<back augment="S81383595743748541542533">Lugh's Cape</back> <!-- INT+30 M.Acc/Mdmg+20 MAB+10 DT -5 -->
</set>
(I do have optimizations for Orpheus Sash, Weatherspoon Ring for Light Helixes, Archo/Pixie for Dark Helixes, etc etc ...but for Lilith, I did ~1200 runs with PyroHelix II only on non-watersday as pyrohelix on that day would get negatively impacted).
Immanence, Fire, Immanence Thunder, Ebullience while Fusion happens -> PyroHelix II (for about 10,500 dmg)
Aren't you supposed to use Skrymir Cord +1 rather than Obi for helix spells? At least that's what I thought. Since helix spells innately have the bonus.
By Felgarr 2020-05-16 12:24:08
I don't think lilith and helix is the corect way to test this, it should be easier on something lower lv, with a nuke and just adding/removing something like 5% ring mb1.
i'll test it when i have the chance.
I don't agree with your testing assertion, as Lilith on Easy is only around i-level ~124 technically. Anyway, for sake of clarity, this is what Helix set is now:
Code xml
<set name="Helix">
<main augment="D20976951840516">Akademos</main>
<sub>Enki Strap</sub>
<ammo>Pemphredo Tathlum</ammo>
<head augment="M1442">Peda. M.Board +3</head>
<body augment="D20976940633860">Amalric Doublet +1</body>
<hands augment="D20976940616643">Amalric Gages +1</hands>
<legs augment="D20976940633860">Amalric Slops +1</legs>
<feet>Jhakri Pigaches +2</feet>
<neck augment="O3728797073408218">Argute Stole +2</neck>
<waist>Hachirin-no-Obi</waist>
<ear1>Malignance Earring</ear1>
<ear2>Regal Earring</ear2>
<ring1>Freke Ring</ring1>
<ring2>Mujin Band</ring2>
<back augment="S81383595743748541542533">Lugh's Cape</back> <!-- INT+30 M.Acc/Mdmg+20 MAB+10 DT -5 -->
</set>
(I do have optimizations for Orpheus Sash, Weatherspoon Ring for Light Helixes, Archo/Pixie for Dark Helixes, etc etc ...but for Lilith, I did ~1200 runs with PyroHelix II only on non-watersday as pyrohelix on that day would get negatively impacted).
Immanence, Fire, Immanence Thunder, Ebullience while Fusion happens -> PyroHelix II (for about 10,500 dmg)
Aren't you supposed to use Skrymir Cord +1 rather than Obi for helix spells? At least that's what I thought. Since helix spells innately have the bonus.
Yes, I replaced the Obi with Eschan Stone for MAB, but in theory, Skyrmir Cord should be better.
However, still waiting to hear back from Geigei's tests. I firmly believe and have 1009 runs of Easy Lilith, that show I'm able to break 10k pyrohelix 2, with Firestorm 2, ebullience, MBD1+27, on 2100JP Scholar and no outside help whatsoever.
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By Asura.Aburaage 2020-05-16 14:08:54
Does orpheus work on helix?
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By Odin.Jsmooth 2020-05-16 14:21:55
Yup, on Lilith E hitting 12-14k helix's with it
By SimonSes 2020-05-16 14:22:14
Yes, but not sure if its gonma be better than Skrymir. Afaik Magic damage is almoat as potent for helix as mab and that belt has a lot of magic damage.
By Laboob 2020-05-16 15:01:02
Does orpheus work on helix?
If you're close enough. It adds affinity - like how Pixie works (which should be used with nocto)
By geigei 2020-05-16 16:29:18
Tested again, target = Eschan Phuabo, impaction+ionohelix2
MB1 32 > 7243, 7243, 7243, 7243, 7243
MB1 37 > 7458, 7458, 7458, 7458, 7458
By Felgarr 2020-05-16 22:41:25
Tested again, target = Eschan Phuabo, impaction+ionohelix2
MB1 32 > 7243, 7243, 7243, 7243, 7243
MB1 37 > 7458, 7458, 7458, 7458, 7458
What were you even testing? Yes, MBD1 does cap at 40%.
I was asserting that MAB matters more than MBD1 for Helix II's. Basically, I was asserting that quantities of MAB and quantities of MBD1 are not so easily interchangeable.
Try swapping Academic Gown+3 for Amalric Body+1 (you're effectively trading MBD+10, 0 MAB for MAB+73 (with hands set bonus).
In any case, it was explained to me that Helix damage is calculated based on a formula, where the MAB term is allowed to grow/increase more quickly than the MBD1+ term, in the equation. (This is due to gear and an abundance of MAB+ gear opions and less to due with the MBD1+ term or it's cap).
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By Asura.Shiraj 2020-05-16 22:49:42
I guarantee using a merlinic body piece with MBD 8+ and mab and macc will out perform amalric. I explained that +3 AF should only be used to MB when macc is low.
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By Shiva.Hiep 2020-05-17 00:21:53
I guarantee using a merlinic body piece with MBD 8+ and mab and macc will out perform amalric. I explained that +3 AF should only be used to MB when macc is low.
Good work on the SCH vids! I watch them all~
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By Asura.Shiraj 2020-05-17 00:37:58
Good work on the SCH vids! I watch them all~ ^^ Thanks man, means a lot coming from the main man himself!
By geigei 2020-05-17 03:58:23
What were you even testing? Yes, MBD1 does cap at 40%. You were basically sayin gifts count to 40% cap, maybe i read that wrong.
Ofc there is a point where mab>mb and it's stupid easy to test on paper using magic dmg formula, i did this a lot for my blm back then.
Was everything writen down on paper and i throw it away but if i'm not mistaken 1mb=5mab or so.
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By Asura.Gracelin 2020-05-17 20:45:09
Is there a list of updated sets? Main post sets are empty and it hasn't been updated.
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