July 23, 2012 Version Update

Beats me. I would have used it if I had one.

(God I don't wanna redo the missions on yet another character <_>)

Not sure, but I'm gonna go ahead and guess that the +day stuff has a decreasing rate of returns. If that's true, and since both magian and chato will receive the bonus, it should help whatever side has less +day stuff. If I had used the ring, it would probably help the magian staff more.

But I'm highly deprived of sleep right now so I could be wrong.



Don't make me go out there <_< I'm too tired.

Magic damage is piss easy to calculate, you don't even need to do actual tests since we have values for the staff. And no, day/weather bonuses don't have diminishing returns unless you're capping it, in which case they're diminished to 0.

Since someone already began under-cutting a 400k scroll on my server, may as well let the secret out to everyone. Mage's Ballad now drops off of Yagudo Piper in Giddeus and Meriphataud, you may notice the stock of scrolls on AH has sky-rocketed.

i farmed 6 and some idiots under cut it from 400k to 40-50. I'm sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo mad

Anybody else downloading the update now experiencing slow-as-fork speeds? Or have earlier today?

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/111833-07-23-12-Version-Update-Download-%2866MB%29

Since I can't be dicked to look at actual BLM sets or anything, for Thunder 5 with day and single weather:

Player
220INT
150MAB

Monster
100INT
0MDB
0MDT

magian dINT = 220 - 100 = 120
prism dINT = 225 - 100 = 125

magian D = 120 * 2.2997 + 874 = 1149
prism D = 125 * 2.2997 + 874 = 1161



Magian Staff

1149 * (1.35 + 0.6) = 2240 (forgot if this caps)

2240 * 1.33 = 2979

4507 * 2.5 = 7447




HQ Prism (if cap)

1161 * 1.15 = 1335

1335 * 1.6 = 2136

2136 * 1.4 = 2990

2990 * 2.5 = 7475



HQ Prism (no cap)

1161 * 1.15 = 1335

1321 * 1.6 = 2136

2136 * 1.43 = 3054

3054 * 2.5 = 7635


In most scenarios it comes to effectively:

1.4 * 1.15 * 1.6 = 2.576

vs.

1.3 * 1.95 = 2.535



OR



1.3 * 1.15 * 1.6 = 2.392

1.2 * 1.95 = 2.34

I downloaded it quick when I got home last night. Download is available on my site.

http://tehkrizz.net/FFXI/downloads.php

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Shaper%27s_Shawl

So for same day/same weather this beats magian is what I'm reading from this?

ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu WHY would they tie a synth cape that's r/ex to fishing? ><

I pray that that is not confirmed because that is just so stupid.

Assuming the spell is Thunder V, it wins with as low as just single weather.

I know right, Now I have to level fishing :(

this is kinda *** up for those of us who went to the lengths to do the magian staves, especially those of us who made all 8 dmg staves... minus the -casting% bonus from magian staves

It's the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE fish to catch in the game too. There's a couple of us working on it.

For clarity,

1.3 = 1.0 (base) + .1 (weather) + .1 (staff) + .05 (cape) + .05 (pants)

1.2 = 1.0 (base) + .1 (weather) + .05 (cape) + .05 (pants)




This is only for abyssea since you wouldn't have 1.6 affinity on Prism staff elsewhere.

Additionally would like to add that it would also work if you have max ice atmas on. The lower your affinity goes, however, the more magian staff catches up. For any element that you don't have >40~ affinity for, magians will be superior.

oh ok

I'm not taking fishing to 110 to catch this fish just so i can get a cape to help me get 95-110 goldsmithing lol

I'm still stuck on 64 goldsmithing!... Not that I've done anything, I was hoping it'd level itself :<<

So much fail with yagudo Piper...
I tryed to hunt them down, but i went in oztroja, and never noticed it until i zoned in altar room, wave at the magicite, and zone out... "castle oztroja... wait... oh shii... that's not giddeus.."
/facepalm

bigger fail that people undercut from 300k~ to ~100k so quickly instead of taking advantage of it. Dumb ***.

400 > 50 on Odin :( and i spent a lot of time last night farming them

The only ones laughing their *** out from this are the dev team at SE I suppose ... Of course instead of just doing it and staying quiet, they had to write on the update notes which mobs they changed... ;)

100k already on Phoenix.

Interesting change tbh, wonder if they're gonna make other quest scrolls available too. Probably not, but meh.

Maybe I am missing something, but something seems weird there, and I am unable to follow your math.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the formula goes:
Damage*Staff*DayWeather*MAB

(There are a few other things that can be neglected since they would apply the same to both.)
On that note, MAB isn't needed as well, since both have the same MAB.

This reduces the formula to:
Damage*Staff*DayWeather

The base damage you calculated before looks fine, so I will use those. I will also do calculations assuming Obi/Twilight Cape.


Prism: Base=1161 Staff=1.15 Extra 10% when weather.

Weather: 1161*1.15*(1+.1+.1+.05) = 1161*1.15*1.25 = 1668
2xWeather: 1161*1.15*(1+.1+.25+.05) = 1161*1.15*1.4 = 1869
Day/Weather: 1161*1.15*(1+.1+.1+.1+.05) = 1161*1.15*1.35 = 1802
Day/2xWeather: 1161*1.15*(1+.1+.1+.25+.05) = 1161*1.15*1.5 = 2002


Magian: Base=1149 Staff=1.35

Weather: 1149*1.35*(1+.1+.05) = 1149*1.35*1.15 = 1783
2xWeather: 1149*1.35*(1+.25+.05) = 1149*1.35*1.3 = 2016
Day/Weather: 1149*1.35*(1+.1+.1+.05) = 1149*1.35*1.25 = 1938
Day/2xWeather: 1149*1.35*(1+.1+.25+.05) = 1149*1.35*1.4 = 2171


These results make more sense especially considering difference between damage posted earlier by Ihina.

This is using the parameters that were being questioned... Abyssea and atmas. It's pretty bloody obvious that the magians would be superior without that, in fact...





Magian Staff

1149 * (1.35 + 0.6) = 2240 <=== Staff affinity + atma affinity

2240 * 1.33 = 2979 <=== Weather + day + gear

4507 * 2.5 = 7447 <=== MAB




HQ Prism (if cap)

1161 * 1.15 = 1335 <=== Elemental staff multiplier

1335 * 1.6 = 2136 <=== Atma affinity

2136 * 1.4 = 2990 <=== Weather + day + gear

2990 * 2.5 = 7475 <=== MAB



HQ Prism (no cap)

1161 * 1.15 = 1335 <=== Elemental staff multiplier

1321 * 1.6 = 2136 <=== Atma affinity

2136 * 1.43 = 3054 <=== Weather + day + gear

3054 * 2.5 = 7635 <=== MAB


1.4 * 1.15 * 1.6 = 2.576 <=== Weather + day + gear * Elemental Staff multiplier * Affinity

vs.

1.3 * 1.95 = 2.535 <=== Weather + day + gear * Affinity



OR



1.3 * 1.15 * 1.6 = 2.392 <=== Day + gear * Elemental Staff multiplier * Affinity

vs.

1.2 * 1.95 = 2.34 <=== Day + gear * Affinity

Magian Staves don't get treated as staves in the formula?

Magians add affinity

Ew, that changes alot then.