The Beast Within -- A Guide To Blue Mage
The Beast Within -- A Guide to Blue Mage
afaik WSD is calculated using base 10. Bases where 2 is a factor are only used in a select few cases.
For equal amounts of WSDMG and Crit rate to be equal when they both apply to every hit, Critical hits would have to double the damage you do. This does not happen unless your attack is ridiculously low (to the point that you probably should not be meleeing the mob with the buffs you have), so WSDMG will always beat crit rate in anywhere close to equal amounts.
Does Ilabrat+Begrudging beat Epona's taking either of one those slots with Almace+Seq? I thought MA was pretty valuable for CDC (with no Tizona AM3) because of ftp transfer.
So this glitch or the correction SE made to WSdmg proccing on all hits is permanent? i recall reading they know about it because someone in the OF mentioned it, did they answer its ok this way?
I dont want to change anything until something is clear D:
I dont want to change anything until something is clear D:
Theyre not going to say anything.
Working as intended until ninja nerfed. (fixed?) (re-broken?) whatever you want to call it. WSD should've worked on every hit since the begining.
Working as intended until ninja nerfed. (fixed?) (re-broken?) whatever you want to call it. WSD should've worked on every hit since the begining.
oyama said: »
Does Ilabrat+Begrudging beat Epona's taking either of one those slots with Almace+Seq? I thought MA was pretty valuable for CDC (with no Tizona AM3) because of ftp transfer.
hey i just went thru it really fast before with tiz/alm, I cleaned up the post i did before and got a bit more detailed.
Epona's was good for almace mainhand yea.
Asura.Eiryl said: »
WSD + lower crit rate = more static (with chance for highest spike)
Stacking crit = more often spike = higher on paper average
Stacking crit = more often spike = higher on paper average
From several of your comments I see you don't really like to go into details. Like you wanted to eyeball tests to check is WSD works for all hits. That's ok for some thing, but not really for other.
You wrote that statement like it's a fact when it's not. Even post above you Boshi shows that WSD produce higher avg in most slots, so I don't understand why you keep insisting on your you guessed statement instead of actually go and verify it.
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It's just the way spreadsheets work, lower lows higher highs. always been that way. undervalues fotia (not for cdc) overvalues multiattack.
Blu is what you use when you're underbuffed.
Blu is what you use when you're underbuffed.
Asura.Eiryl said: »
So now, the universal truth, for ALL ws, is add WSD.
CDC with 50% WSD probably does some disgusting numbers...
CDC with 50% WSD probably does some disgusting numbers...
Whats that about this glitch?
Ive been away so i never heard about that.
Ive been away so i never heard about that.
Fenrir.Snaps said: »
afaik WSD is calculated using base 10. Bases where 2 is a factor are only used in a select few cases.
nothing in this game is calculated using a decimal system, they just write it that way in the description.
Boshi said: »
If i had to -guess- I would assume ishvara is something like 4/256 rather than 5/256 making it give only around ~1.5625%wsd. higher wsd# like 10wsd
No weapon so 59 base damage with capped fSTR. 95 str and 96 vit gives 28 from WSC. only wsd I had was ear.
(59 + 28) * 3.5 = 304
304 * 1.05 = 319.
I got a 325 for my first single hit asuran.
304 * (1 + 4 / 256) = 308
319 * (1 + 4 / 256) = 323
This doesn't rule out 5/256, though. It could still be base 2 instead, so I'll keep going until I get something out of an expected range.
You’re probably ight then.
Boshi said: »
Messing around on the spreadsheet very quickly I got:
head/hands:
adh+1 head & adh+1 hands > adh+1 head & jhak+2 hands
adh+1 head & adh+1 hands > dex10wsd5 x2
adh+1 head & adh+1 hands > dex10wsd5 head & jhak+2 hands
these all end up holding true if you're getting set bonus with adh+1 feet too, i guess head is too good.
ear:
ishvara slightly beats mache+1 with low wsd, once you get a decent amount mache+1 x2 wins again.
Moonshade loses
body:
AF+3 body crushes
ring:
Epaminonda's Ring beating both ilabrat at begrudging.
Almace:
capped att: epa w/ epona>begrudging>ilabrat
uncapped att: epa w/ epona>(barely)>ilabrat>begrudging
Tizona:
capped att: epa w/ epona>begrudging>ilabrat
uncapped att: epa w/ ilabrat>begrudging>epona
back:
dex30/attacc/wsd10 is king.
legs:
relic legs beating perfect samnuha
relic legs > dex/wsd herc
for feet:
The adhemar feet seem to be made more competitive with this?
(for herc dex15/wsd4>dex10/wsd5 by like 10-30 dmg it's never a big deal im using 10/5 as base #)
attack capped: herc10/5 > theroid > adh+1
attack uncapped: herc10/5**> adh+1 >> theroid
**10/5herc was needing about ~16 attack to match at uncapped att
ItemSet 361829
head/hands:
adh+1 head & adh+1 hands > adh+1 head & jhak+2 hands
adh+1 head & adh+1 hands > dex10wsd5 x2
adh+1 head & adh+1 hands > dex10wsd5 head & jhak+2 hands
these all end up holding true if you're getting set bonus with adh+1 feet too, i guess head is too good.
ear:
ishvara slightly beats mache+1 with low wsd, once you get a decent amount mache+1 x2 wins again.
Moonshade loses
body:
AF+3 body crushes
ring:
Epaminonda's Ring beating both ilabrat at begrudging.
Almace:
capped att: epa w/ epona>begrudging>ilabrat
uncapped att: epa w/ epona>(barely)>ilabrat>begrudging
Tizona:
capped att: epa w/ epona>begrudging>ilabrat
uncapped att: epa w/ ilabrat>begrudging>epona
back:
dex30/attacc/wsd10 is king.
legs:
relic legs beating perfect samnuha
relic legs > dex/wsd herc
for feet:
The adhemar feet seem to be made more competitive with this?
(for herc dex15/wsd4>dex10/wsd5 by like 10-30 dmg it's never a big deal im using 10/5 as base #)
attack capped: herc10/5 > theroid > adh+1
attack uncapped: herc10/5**> adh+1 >> theroid
**10/5herc was needing about ~16 attack to match at uncapped att
ItemSet 361829
Is there an updated spreadsheet that reflects this new change in ws dmg calculation? If no what would need to be changed in the current spreadsheet to account for ws dmg now applying to all hits instead of just the first?
Quick help for CDC ws set wanted
ammo="Jukukik Feather",
head="Aya. Zucchetto +2",
body="Ayanmo Corazza +2",
hands="Jhakri Cuffs +2",
legs="Aya. Cosciales +2",
feet="Aya. Gambieras +2",
neck="Rancor Collar",
waist="Fotia Belt",
left_ear="Ishvara Earring",
right_ear={ name="Moonshade Earring", augments={'Accuracy+4','TP Bonus +250',}},
left_ring="Ayanmo Ring",
right_ring="Epona's Ring",
back={ name="Rosmerta's Cape", augments={'DEX+20','Accuracy+20 Attack+20','DEX+10','Crit.hit rate+10',}},
- currently farming organs for fortia neck
- I have adhamr NQ hands with dex/agi/atk. should i use that instead ofr ws (jhakri has WSD7%
- i have NQ mache earrings an brutal. Should i replace one of the earrings ?
- i have rajas and petrovs rings. replace any of the rings ?
- cape will be replaced with WSD10% instead of crit rate
Any quick/cheap tweaks i can make to improve the set while working on more adhemar and herculain / af gear ?
ammo="Jukukik Feather",
head="Aya. Zucchetto +2",
body="Ayanmo Corazza +2",
hands="Jhakri Cuffs +2",
legs="Aya. Cosciales +2",
feet="Aya. Gambieras +2",
neck="Rancor Collar",
waist="Fotia Belt",
left_ear="Ishvara Earring",
right_ear={ name="Moonshade Earring", augments={'Accuracy+4','TP Bonus +250',}},
left_ring="Ayanmo Ring",
right_ring="Epona's Ring",
back={ name="Rosmerta's Cape", augments={'DEX+20','Accuracy+20 Attack+20','DEX+10','Crit.hit rate+10',}},
- currently farming organs for fortia neck
- I have adhamr NQ hands with dex/agi/atk. should i use that instead ofr ws (jhakri has WSD7%
- i have NQ mache earrings an brutal. Should i replace one of the earrings ?
- i have rajas and petrovs rings. replace any of the rings ?
- cape will be replaced with WSD10% instead of crit rate
Any quick/cheap tweaks i can make to improve the set while working on more adhemar and herculain / af gear ?
Just work towards the sets on the main page, there isn’t a magic set that’s “bis when you can’t be bis”.
As long as this bug/glitch/intended change is active, absolutely. It's still good to balance some MA and crit damage, but WSD is definitely something that should be utilized.
Boshi's posted set would be the ideal at the moment. 40% WSD while still keeping decent crit rate and MA.
Boshi's posted set would be the ideal at the moment. 40% WSD while still keeping decent crit rate and MA.
The legs would likely lose to perfect Samnuha, but the body would probably still be your best option.
The only changes I'd make to Savage sets would be to add Epaminondas's ring and the JSE neck.
Also, take into consideration that Fotia belt is a better option over Prosilio when counting the TP return proc.
The only changes I'd make to Savage sets would be to add Epaminondas's ring and the JSE neck.
Also, take into consideration that Fotia belt is a better option over Prosilio when counting the TP return proc.
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Was BiS before the WS damage issue, at least according to spreadsheet.
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Going through my blue sets havent updated them in approx a year looking for improvements on
BLU Macc (also use the same for BLU Stun (sudden lunge))
ItemSet 362080
mapped to these blue_magic_maps.MagicAccuracy = S{
'1000 Needles','Absolute Terror','Actinic Burst','Auroral Drape','Awful Eye','Bad Breath', 'Blank Gaze','Blistering Roar','Blitzstrahl','Blood Drain','Blood Saber','Cesspool','Chaotic Eye','Cimicine Discharge','Cold Wave','Corrosive Ooze','Cruel Joke','Demoralizing Roar','Digest',
'Dream Flower','Enervation','Feather Tickle','Filamented Hold','Frightful Roar','Frost Breath','Geist Wall','Hecatomb Wave','Infrasonics','Jettatura','Light of Penance','Lowing','Mind Blast','Mortal Ray','MP Drainkiss','Osmosis','Radiant Breath','Reaving Wind','Sandspin','Sandspray','Sheep Song','Soporific','Sound Blast','Stinking Gas','Sub-zero Smash','Temporal Shift','Thunderbolt','Venom Shell','Voracious Trunk','Yawn', 'Atra. Libations'
BLU Buff @ 617 skill
ItemSet 362082
sets.midcast['Blue Magic'].SkillBasedBuff
'Diamondhide','Magic Barrier','Occultation','Plasma Charge','Reactor Cool'
I thought there was some tiers? iirc something at 600 skill?
BLU Macc (also use the same for BLU Stun (sudden lunge))
ItemSet 362080
mapped to these blue_magic_maps.MagicAccuracy = S{
'1000 Needles','Absolute Terror','Actinic Burst','Auroral Drape','Awful Eye','Bad Breath', 'Blank Gaze','Blistering Roar','Blitzstrahl','Blood Drain','Blood Saber','Cesspool','Chaotic Eye','Cimicine Discharge','Cold Wave','Corrosive Ooze','Cruel Joke','Demoralizing Roar','Digest',
'Dream Flower','Enervation','Feather Tickle','Filamented Hold','Frightful Roar','Frost Breath','Geist Wall','Hecatomb Wave','Infrasonics','Jettatura','Light of Penance','Lowing','Mind Blast','Mortal Ray','MP Drainkiss','Osmosis','Radiant Breath','Reaving Wind','Sandspin','Sandspray','Sheep Song','Soporific','Sound Blast','Stinking Gas','Sub-zero Smash','Temporal Shift','Thunderbolt','Venom Shell','Voracious Trunk','Yawn', 'Atra. Libations'
BLU Buff @ 617 skill
ItemSet 362082
sets.midcast['Blue Magic'].SkillBasedBuff
'Diamondhide','Magic Barrier','Occultation','Plasma Charge','Reactor Cool'
I thought there was some tiers? iirc something at 600 skill?
Occulation shadow every 50 skill i think was the only tiered thing you dont naturally cap already
Nariont said: »
Occulation shadow every 50 skill i think was the only tiered thing you dont naturally cap already
Magic Barrier doesn't cap and doesn't have tiers.
Personally, I prefer flooring Occultation's recast rather than maximizing the shadow count.
Personally, I prefer flooring Occultation's recast rather than maximizing the shadow count.
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Where does Mirage Stole +2 (25/25) play in TP sets?
Likely want to split your Sudden Lunge set off into a different one, since things like Almaric +1 and Regal lack physical ACC.
For pure MACC, AF+3 head/legs win out, especially with the set bonus.
For Sudden Lunge/etc, Ayanmo +2 is likely the better starting point (though I'm not 100% on what stat the MACC component may key on). In general though, it's got more DEX for ACC, better defense, better recast, and if the Stun effect keys on AGI like the WSC does, more AGI towards that.
Carmine Mask +1 works well in that, if not for general MACC as well, since it also works in a nice chunk of Fast Cast.
To a fair point, it's probably more a matter of where you want to see improvement. I think you can improve on recasts most significantly, but that may be a moot point for you.
For pure MACC, AF+3 head/legs win out, especially with the set bonus.
For Sudden Lunge/etc, Ayanmo +2 is likely the better starting point (though I'm not 100% on what stat the MACC component may key on). In general though, it's got more DEX for ACC, better defense, better recast, and if the Stun effect keys on AGI like the WSC does, more AGI towards that.
Carmine Mask +1 works well in that, if not for general MACC as well, since it also works in a nice chunk of Fast Cast.
To a fair point, it's probably more a matter of where you want to see improvement. I think you can improve on recasts most significantly, but that may be a moot point for you.
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Asura.Toralin said: »
You should actually take few pieces from your buff set to your macc set to improve it :)
Relic +3 head is better than Jhakri. 37 acc/macc and 17 Blue magic skill beats 44 acc/macc.
Relic +3 feet are better than Jhakri for same reason. 36 acc/macc and 12 blue magic skill beats 42 acc/macc.
Amalric body is best macc, but it lacks acc, which might eb bad for sudden lunge. Personally I use af+3 for 65acc, 15 macc and 24 blue magic skill (stats with bonus from set with regal earring).
For the same reason i use Jharki cuffs +2. They have both acc and macc and macc is only 2 less than Regal.
Relic +3 legs has same acc and macc as Jhakri but Relic +3 legs has obvious other uses, so are in your inventory anyway.
I also use Eschan stone because it has +15 acc and only 3 macc less, but im overcaping acc by a lot at this point probably.
EDIT: This was more for Lunge than pure macc set. Isiolia pointed out pure macc improvement pretty well tho :)
SimonSes said: »
Asura.Toralin said: »
You should actually take few pieces from your buff set to your macc set to improve it :)
Relic +3 head is better than Jhakri. 37 acc/macc and 17 Blue magic skill beats 44 acc/macc.
Relic +3 feet are better than Jhakri for same reason. 36 acc/macc and 12 blue magic skill beats 42 acc/macc.
Amalric body is best macc, but it lacks acc, which might eb bad for sudden lunge. Personally I use af+3 for 65acc, 15 macc and 24 blue magic skill (stats with bonus from set with regal earring).
For the same reason i use Jharki cuffs +2. They have both acc and macc and macc is only 2 less than Regal.
Relic +3 legs has same acc and macc as Jhakri but Relic +3 legs has obvious other uses, so are in your inventory anyway.
I also use Eschan stone because it has +15 acc and only 3 macc less, but im overcaping acc by a lot at this point probably.
EDIT: This was more for Lunge than pure macc set. Isiolia pointed out pure macc improvement pretty well tho :)
Thanks there are alot of blurred lines with these sets. appreciate the feedback
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