SCH>BLM After Update? . .
SCH>BLM after update? . .
You do about 7,5k without Ebullience?
For all thse posting about SCH having to use strategems to get close to BLM casting speed:
SCH can reach 80% Fast Cast cap now with some Rubeus set pieces. This means THEY CAN CAST AS FAST AS A BLM; HAVING THE SAME 80% FAST CAST CAP ON NUKES.
Thankyou.
SCH can reach 80% Fast Cast cap now with some Rubeus set pieces. This means THEY CAN CAST AS FAST AS A BLM; HAVING THE SAME 80% FAST CAST CAP ON NUKES.
Thankyou.
Barleycup said: »
@ Dramaica:
Read the OP, I said in context of a proccing free game after this update.
Also BLM JA bonuses still give Thundaja less than SCH Thunder V, + Thunder V is about 70% more mp efficient than Thundaja from BLM.
Please dont refer to "you" (i.e scholar). I have both jobs levelled.
tch!
Read the OP, I said in context of a proccing free game after this update.
Also BLM JA bonuses still give Thundaja less than SCH Thunder V, + Thunder V is about 70% more mp efficient than Thundaja from BLM.
Please dont refer to "you" (i.e scholar). I have both jobs levelled.
tch!
Barleycup said: »
@ Dramaica:
Read the OP, I said in context of a proccing free game after this update.
Also BLM JA bonuses still give Thundaja less than SCH Thunder V, + Thunder V is about 70% more mp efficient than Thundaja from BLM.
Please dont refer to "you" (i.e scholar). I have both jobs levelled.
tch!
Read the OP, I said in context of a proccing free game after this update.
Also BLM JA bonuses still give Thundaja less than SCH Thunder V, + Thunder V is about 70% more mp efficient than Thundaja from BLM.
Please dont refer to "you" (i.e scholar). I have both jobs levelled.
tch!
Barleycup said: »
For all thse posting about SCH having to use strategems to get close to BLM casting speed:
SCH can reach 80% Fast Cast cap now with some Rubeus set pieces. This means THEY CAN CAST AS FAST AS A BLM; HAVING THE SAME 80% FAST CAST CAP ON NUKES.
Thankyou.
SCH can reach 80% Fast Cast cap now with some Rubeus set pieces. This means THEY CAN CAST AS FAST AS A BLM; HAVING THE SAME 80% FAST CAST CAP ON NUKES.
Thankyou.
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there are other elements besides ice and thunder?
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Barleycup said: »
For all thse posting about SCH having to use strategems to get close to BLM casting speed
BLM > SCH simply because a blm doesn't have to make these threads trying to sell it's usefulness.
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Valefor.Fmaxgluttony said: »
there are other elements besides ice and thunder?
Valefor.Fmaxgluttony said: »
there are other elements besides ice and thunder?
Days of the dinosaurs.
SCH is an embrava tool that can be a make-shift healer/nuker, there is nothing current that benefits much from SCHs nuking besides occasional physical resistant nyzul mobs.
Barleycup said: »
For all thse posting about SCH having to use strategems to get close to BLM casting speed:
SCH can reach 80% Fast Cast cap now with some Rubeus set pieces. This means THEY CAN CAST AS FAST AS A BLM; HAVING THE SAME 80% FAST CAST CAP ON NUKES.
Thankyou.
SCH can reach 80% Fast Cast cap now with some Rubeus set pieces. This means THEY CAN CAST AS FAST AS A BLM; HAVING THE SAME 80% FAST CAST CAP ON NUKES.
Thankyou.
the fact that you structured the OP so poorly pretty much derails your point. You list all the pros for sch, pointing out things that blm can do as well, but fail to list that in the BLM pros. Its pretty hard to take you seriously when you cant even be serious about the benefits of both jobs in question.
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Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
SCH is an embrava tool that can be a make-shift healer/nuker, there is nothing current that benefits much from SCHs nuking besides occasional physical resistant nyzul mobs.
. apart from better DoT and MP management.
You are missing the point, the only use nuking has at the moment is in a proc reliant setting, or for aga killing.
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In Nyzul magic related DoT is near worthless. Even at 75, you brought a mage to keep everyone cured and statuses clean. Melee DoT can't be touched, there is no reason in utilizing a job that is MP dependant in a timed event. There were a few mobs that were melee resistant, but the RDM could handle it.
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Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
You are missing the point, the only use nuking has at the moment is in a proc reliant setting, or for aga killing.
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Barleycup said: »
For all thse posting about SCH having to use strategems to get close to BLM casting speed:
SCH can reach 80% Fast Cast cap now with some Rubeus set pieces. This means THEY CAN CAST AS FAST AS A BLM; HAVING THE SAME 80% FAST CAST CAP ON NUKES.
Thankyou.
SCH can reach 80% Fast Cast cap now with some Rubeus set pieces. This means THEY CAN CAST AS FAST AS A BLM; HAVING THE SAME 80% FAST CAST CAP ON NUKES.
Thankyou.
the fact that you structured the OP so poorly pretty much derails your point. You list all the pros for sch, pointing out things that blm can do as well, but fail to list that in the BLM pros. Its pretty hard to take you seriously when you cant even be serious about the benefits of both jobs in question.
How can i list the same pro's I have listed in SCH when the comparison is between the two? If you want to talk and deal with semantics then please understand the very nature of a comparison.
That's right SCH is only better with DOT and Buffs that's how Tanaka wants SCH to be ..the buff/dot master keep bragging SCH nukes better than BLM and you'll eat a BARANCE hammer lawl ..
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Barleycup said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Barleycup said: »
For all thse posting about SCH having to use strategems to get close to BLM casting speed:
SCH can reach 80% Fast Cast cap now with some Rubeus set pieces. This means THEY CAN CAST AS FAST AS A BLM; HAVING THE SAME 80% FAST CAST CAP ON NUKES.
Thankyou.
SCH can reach 80% Fast Cast cap now with some Rubeus set pieces. This means THEY CAN CAST AS FAST AS A BLM; HAVING THE SAME 80% FAST CAST CAP ON NUKES.
Thankyou.
the fact that you structured the OP so poorly pretty much derails your point. You list all the pros for sch, pointing out things that blm can do as well, but fail to list that in the BLM pros. Its pretty hard to take you seriously when you cant even be serious about the benefits of both jobs in question.
How can i list the same pro's I have listed in SCH when the comparison is between the two? If you want to talk and deal with semantics then please understand the very nature of a comparison.
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sch does in fact beat out blm in terms of endurance fights with higher DoT, but the biggest thing that made sch good was it's mp conservation which was vastly better than a blm. BUT as we know that in cases such as abyssea and voidwatch mp has stopped being an issue thus the decline on sch's potential. While yes sch can throw out bigger numbers than blm it's limited by it's strategems while they can recharge at a decent rate they wont really compare to a blm who is free to rain as if none of it's spells cost mp due to temp items.
to put it simply: in situations where mp items are rare and the best you can get is a vile elixer +1, sch wins hands down. in situations where there are easy mp restoration such as atmas and ether temp items, blm wins.
to put it simply: in situations where mp items are rare and the best you can get is a vile elixer +1, sch wins hands down. in situations where there are easy mp restoration such as atmas and ether temp items, blm wins.
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SCH is a great job it's strong if used correctly but were way past the 75 days and SCH has been dropped down the list of useful severely, no cure 5 limits us to that gimp cure 4 and with the adjustments to cure potency it still wont out do cure 5/6 unless you're gonna rapture, SCH nukes are overpowered but highly limited to single target's and you will get your squishy *** squashed fast once SS and phalanx drop, And finally our best buff requires our 2hr ability and since WHM can do boost spells and give you +25 to stat there goes our stormsurge.
Any Scholar worth their salt will know to not just nuke. If you only wanted to nuke, level Black Mage.
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Siren.Thoraeon said: »
Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
You are missing the point, the only use nuking has at the moment is in a proc reliant setting, or for aga killing.
the BLM will keep on going until it runs out of MP; which will be long before the SCH.
Greater number of nukes are utterly irrelevant as Tier V & IV can be spammed on SCH with occasional Helix.
You fail to see any of the OP's points methinks.
ok well ths thread was informative and amusing for about 20 mins now its going round in circles with people losing the whole point by the minute.
Thanks
Thanks
OP's next thread will be. PUP > MNK now?
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If the PUP has KKK and isnt an idiot . .sure :)
Pretty sure it's clear that he says he has 10k+ nukes consistanly is that he is on the test server with a maxed out Tupsimati with maxed out stats, etc.
Barleycup said: »
Siren.Thoraeon said: »
Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
You are missing the point, the only use nuking has at the moment is in a proc reliant setting, or for aga killing.
the BLM will keep on going until it runs out of MP; which will be long before the SCH.
Greater number of nukes are utterly irrelevant as Tier V & IV can be spammed on SCH with occasional Helix.
You fail to see any of the OP's points methinks.
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Barleycup said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Barleycup said: »
For all thse posting about SCH having to use strategems to get close to BLM casting speed:
SCH can reach 80% Fast Cast cap now with some Rubeus set pieces. This means THEY CAN CAST AS FAST AS A BLM; HAVING THE SAME 80% FAST CAST CAP ON NUKES.
Thankyou.
SCH can reach 80% Fast Cast cap now with some Rubeus set pieces. This means THEY CAN CAST AS FAST AS A BLM; HAVING THE SAME 80% FAST CAST CAP ON NUKES.
Thankyou.
the fact that you structured the OP so poorly pretty much derails your point. You list all the pros for sch, pointing out things that blm can do as well, but fail to list that in the BLM pros. Its pretty hard to take you seriously when you cant even be serious about the benefits of both jobs in question.
How can i list the same pro's I have listed in SCH when the comparison is between the two? If you want to talk and deal with semantics then please understand the very nature of a comparison.
Its obvious you aren't good at this. You list the pros of each job, period. Listing that Sch can get 80% FC, but failing to list Blm can get 80% FC, is going to result in everyone pointing out that fact, which is exactly what happened in this thread. If you want to argue for sch fine, but showing the blatant bias and disrespect towards BLM in your OP is pretty much going to illegitamize your stance.
To answer your question, NO. No one is going to jump on the sch bandwagon to nuke things, because what exactly does sch nuke? Nothing. No event needs a sch to nuke things, they just need you to cure people. Better off comparing sch to whm.
Barleycup said: »
Siren.Thoraeon said: »
Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
You are missing the point, the only use nuking has at the moment is in a proc reliant setting, or for aga killing.
the BLM will keep on going until it runs out of MP; which will be long before the SCH.
Greater number of nukes are utterly irrelevant as Tier V & IV can be spammed on SCH with occasional Helix.
You fail to see any of the OP's points methinks.
If a SCH wants to conserve MP, they'd use Parsimony. If you really want to out-epeen a BLM, you'd Ebullience, right?
Okay, so... Since you are saying SCH can manage mp so good and out-nuke a BLM, I'm going to assume you are using Parsimony+Ebullience every nuke. In that case, you'd only do maybe 3 nukes before you are out of stratagems. What then?
Black Mage will still be able to throw out nukes while you sit and play with your thumbs until you get stratagems.
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